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Thunderbeast

(3,842 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:10 PM Jun 28

Had a very sad conversation with a waiter in Trieste, Italy tonight.

He is a very polite, well educated, and friendly man in his twenties. In our brief encounter, he expressed his desire to visit the U.S. He wants to see our natural beauty, and climb some of our mountains.

He and his friends will not visit because they are terrified of ICE, and our nativist government. They fear that they will be picked up on an American street, and dumped in a detention center.

"I see it all on TV, and I can not take the chance".

If we scare off visitors, it will take a generation to repair the damage caused by our MAGA overlords. WE will be the losers.

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Had a very sad conversation with a waiter in Trieste, Italy tonight. (Original Post) Thunderbeast Jun 28 OP
That is sad and yet Bettie Jun 28 #1
This is in counterpoint to all the glowing FIFA visitor stuff. Frasier Balzov Jun 28 #2
I've seen a few Facebook posts mentioning karynnj Jun 28 #17
Whenever I'm traveling, I alway make a point to reveal that I'm from San Francisco so I can give a good impression. NBachers Jun 28 #23
I haven't traveled for the last past year, but I always said I was from Vermont karynnj Jun 28 #39
Even in Dallas, the move by a black politician Eric Johnson to switch parties was seen as performative. harumph Jun 28 #29
Now that you mention it, I haven't seen a thread about WC attendance lately rictofen Jun 28 #34
I saw a great comment on FB Tree Lady Jun 28 #37
This is the intention of the isolationists and white-supremacists in the govermnent and corporate world. erronis Jun 28 #3
Keeping them "fereners" out is a feature, not a bug. flashman13 Jun 28 #4
The really sad part is that you can't blame him...nt Wounded Bear Jun 28 #5
I don't even want to be in this country anymore - TBF Jun 28 #6
I've been going yearly to Italy since 2014. I've had so many conversations not just with Italians but other Nanjeanne Jun 28 #7
this country is what it is. Divided into fiedoms of civility and harm. That is what REPUBLICANS Want ! dave99 Jun 28 #20
He's right MustLoveBeagles Jun 28 #8
Is he? seemed to be safe for the 68 million foreign tourists who visited last year EX500rider Monday #48
I don't trust ICE or DHS MustLoveBeagles Monday #50
That doesn't change the fact that 68 million tourists had a peaceful trip to the US and home last year EX500rider Monday #52
Okay MustLoveBeagles Tuesday #54
For people with proper visas and return tickets there is no risk EX500rider Tuesday #55
Reminds me of a Convo with our tour guide in Rome Deep State Witch Jun 28 #9
He'd be smart to wait fujiyamasan Jun 28 #10
We ARE the losers. He's probably right, except he'd likely be detained Figarosmom Jun 28 #11
We are already seeing this mgardener Jun 28 #12
Thunderbeast........ Upthevibe Jun 28 #13
We have relatives in Germany and we have told them not to come now. MLWR Jun 28 #14
Germany is Beautiful , why come here ? dave99 Jun 28 #21
It depends on what they want to see.... electric_blue68 Jun 28 #30
meh dave99 Jun 28 #31
Well -Many People- find it Beautiful. No one's -forcing you- to go. electric_blue68 Jun 28 #32
A wee bit more Just Jerome Jun 28 #15
To repair govt at least. But not moonscape Jun 28 #36
it is RACIST AND UN-AMERICAN Skittles Jun 28 #16
I agree Skittles!!!! bdamomma Jun 28 #24
I think your Italian waiter is wise. Why chance Cha Jun 28 #18
He's probably bdamomma Jun 28 #19
We have a very "unstable" poitical party REPUBLICANS destroying what was once calm dave99 Jun 28 #22
Crap! bdamomma Jun 28 #26
If the fascists implant themselves in our government for a generation GoodRaisin Jun 28 #25
Exactly!!!! bdamomma Jun 28 #27
His concerns are valid. Trump and Miller have made us to scary to visit. surfered Jun 28 #28
I am a white 3rd generation US citizen Bluestocking Jun 28 #33
I have travelled to red states multiple times since MFer was inaugurated. maxsolomon Monday #43
I find the sight of MAGAts repulsive Bluestocking Monday #47
Trieste itself is beautiful. cab67 Jun 28 #35
yes Celerity Monday #46
nice photos! cab67 Monday #49
The world has been taught through TV, Films, etc to want to come to the US RockCreek Jun 28 #38
Many would-be visitors are not afraid but oasis Monday #40
As they should. Initech Monday #42
Ugh it's so disheartening. Initech Monday #41
Travellers on Tourist Visas are likely fine. maxsolomon Monday #44
Over blown fears if you have a valid tourist visa and a return ticket EX500rider Monday #45
We will have huge tourism when petrodollar era ends delisen Monday #51
I'm American but I have permanent resident status in Canada, so I live and work here. Jedi Guy Monday #53
My in-laws refuse to set foot in the states Torchlight Tuesday #56
Fear for Italians from ICE Heftylefty Tuesday #57

Frasier Balzov

(5,175 posts)
2. This is in counterpoint to all the glowing FIFA visitor stuff.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:31 PM
Jun 28

MAGA is finding international visitors who are attending soccer playoff games in the U.S. who speak favorably about their experiences here.

I hope your Italian waiter becomes aware of some of that positive feedback, decides to visit and has a wonderful time.

karynnj

(61,271 posts)
17. I've seen a few Facebook posts mentioning
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 05:57 PM
Jun 28

that the FIFA people liking America means the media lied about their distrust of Trump's America.

I responded that all but one city, Dallas, had a Democratic mayor. And yes, people are enjoying being in these cities. This means Trump lied calling many of them hellholes.

The truth, blue cities, most in blue states that always welcomed tourists and are fun to be in

NBachers

(19,684 posts)
23. Whenever I'm traveling, I alway make a point to reveal that I'm from San Francisco so I can give a good impression.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:18 PM
Jun 28

harumph

(3,589 posts)
29. Even in Dallas, the move by a black politician Eric Johnson to switch parties was seen as performative.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:20 PM
Jun 28

Accompanied by much eye-rolling. Dallas is a largely blue leaning city. Johnson basically has fucked his career.

rictofen

(274 posts)
34. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen a thread about WC attendance lately
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 08:17 PM
Jun 28

There were constant threads about hotel cancellations up until a few weeks ago. Then BAM...



The Earth just opened up and swallowed that topic. Eerie, really eerie.

Tree Lady

(13,460 posts)
37. I saw a great comment on FB
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:27 PM
Jun 28

About how you can tell by World Cup if we just got rid of the leaders all the people of the world mostly get along and like each other.

erronis

(25,100 posts)
3. This is the intention of the isolationists and white-supremacists in the govermnent and corporate world.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:33 PM
Jun 28

But they'll gladly import white afrikaaners from South Africa. I'd imagine that someone from Trieste may be close enough to the old Third Reich to be able to argue for favorable treatment.

TBF

(37,738 posts)
6. I don't even want to be in this country anymore -
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:42 PM
Jun 28

why in the world would someone from overseas want to come here?

Nanjeanne

(6,890 posts)
7. I've been going yearly to Italy since 2014. I've had so many conversations not just with Italians but other
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:53 PM
Jun 28

Europeans in my travels. Always when talking about the US I hear fear. Now it’s ICE. Back in 2014/15 it was guns mentioned most often. It is so sad to know this beautiful country is so distrusted by others and so out of reach fo so many.

dave99

(767 posts)
20. this country is what it is. Divided into fiedoms of civility and harm. That is what REPUBLICANS Want !
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:15 PM
Jun 28

MustLoveBeagles

(18,515 posts)
8. He's right
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:54 PM
Jun 28

I'd love for my stepdaughter and her kids to visit but it's just not safe. And being white wouldn't protect them.

EX500rider

(12,863 posts)
52. That doesn't change the fact that 68 million tourists had a peaceful trip to the US and home last year
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 10:54 PM
Monday

EX500rider

(12,863 posts)
55. For people with proper visas and return tickets there is no risk
Tue Jun 30, 2026, 12:22 PM
Tuesday

If a handful of those tourists had problems thats out of 68 million, that would be like .0000 something of a chance of something bad, you'll be in much more danger on the drive to the airport

Deep State Witch

(12,812 posts)
9. Reminds me of a Convo with our tour guide in Rome
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 04:56 PM
Jun 28

We did a golf cart tour of Rome back in September of 2024. The driver was talking to my husband and I when we were waiting for the other family to come back to the cart. His grandparents moved to Florida, and he was going through the immigration process to join them there. He felt that there were more opportunities here than in Italy. We cautioned him to hold off making the final decision until after the election, because even legal migrants from Europe might have problems. I often wonder what he did.

fujiyamasan

(2,217 posts)
10. He'd be smart to wait
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 05:13 PM
Jun 28

It’s not worth the risk visiting right now, and not until republicans are out of power. They have shown that they’re not interested in reigning in ICE. On the contrary they keep giving Trump everything he wants to keep this going.

Figarosmom

(15,044 posts)
11. We ARE the losers. He's probably right, except he'd likely be detained
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 05:28 PM
Jun 28

at the airport if there is anything on his phone that ICE doesn't like.

mgardener

(2,447 posts)
12. We are already seeing this
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 05:30 PM
Jun 28

We live 20 miles south of Canadian border.
The Canadian are slowly returning, but the numbers are no where near what they were since Trump took office.
It has impacted my community greatly.
A 25 -30% drop in traffic is a big deal to small communities.

MLWR

(1,163 posts)
14. We have relatives in Germany and we have told them not to come now.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 05:38 PM
Jun 28

There are too many stories of people being turned back at the airport etc. It is hard not to be able to see them and welcome them to our house, but it isn't worth the risk of what might happen.

electric_blue68

(28,074 posts)
30. It depends on what they want to see....
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:40 PM
Jun 28

For instnce...
The high desert above Sedona on the Coconino Plateau North of Flagstaff & it's nearby Mountains - Navajo & Hopi Nations. Grand Canyon. 1979 & 1980.
It's extroidinary ! If you enjoy that type of landscape. I do, as well *as treasure my green tree-filled* NYC area; as I sit typing in a tree filled backyard.

Some people (not me) may want to visit the very flat Plain States.
The Rockies! (Been there, too)

moonscape

(5,822 posts)
36. To repair govt at least. But not
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:18 PM
Jun 28

to repair pent-up tourism. As soon as there is an admin that abolishes ICE, has sane policies, word will get out quickly.

bdamomma

(69,705 posts)
24. I agree Skittles!!!!
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:19 PM
Jun 28

Every dog has its day, and there are plenty of them in this government. No offense to dogs!

Cha

(321,692 posts)
18. I think your Italian waiter is wise. Why chance
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:04 PM
Jun 28

getting caught up in the horror scene that so many Americans have had to experience, at times with deadly force.

bdamomma

(69,705 posts)
19. He's probably
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:13 PM
Jun 28

not the only one with those sentiments. We all need to get into "good trouble". We have a very "unstable" what individual or criminal in the WH. He is ruining our country, and our leaders must back their words with ACTIONS!!! July 4th for some will not be a celebration.

bdamomma

(69,705 posts)
26. Crap!
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:22 PM
Jun 28

what's wrong with living in peace with everyone and everyone getting a piece of the pie!!! instead of crumbs. I always say to myself those greedy SOB's can choke on their money basically that comes from us!!!

GoodRaisin

(11,212 posts)
25. If the fascists implant themselves in our government for a generation
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 06:21 PM
Jun 28

then foreign visitors surely won’t come. But I think they will be anxious to return once we take our government back. We just have to throw the fascists out first.

surfered

(15,269 posts)
28. His concerns are valid. Trump and Miller have made us to scary to visit.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:05 PM
Jun 28

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Bluestocking

(913 posts)
33. I am a white 3rd generation US citizen
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 07:56 PM
Jun 28

and since last January I will not get on an airplane or travel to a red State. Fortunately I live in Massachusetts which is surrounded by blue States.

A few weeks ago I went to the white mountains to see the lupine bloom. Only bloom for two weeks a year. Plenty of wonderful things to do and see in the blue Northeast.

maxsolomon

(39,481 posts)
43. I have travelled to red states multiple times since MFer was inaugurated.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 02:00 PM
Monday

I'm not sure what your concern is or whether it's more of a boycott thing.

But it's fine. It's regular old America. 3 generation US Citizens are not under threat.

cab67

(3,946 posts)
49. nice photos!
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 07:17 PM
Monday

I was there about 10 years ago to look at some fossil crocodyliforms at the natural history museum there. I was only there for a day, so I didn't really get to see that much of the city.

RockCreek

(1,663 posts)
38. The world has been taught through TV, Films, etc to want to come to the US
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 09:28 PM
Jun 28

Cultural colonisation of people's minds and desires

There are so many amazing places to visit and experience throughout the entire world. People are generally just more aware of those in the US.

Initech

(109,753 posts)
42. As they should.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 12:27 AM
Monday

We don't deserve nice things until we get rid of these sick, demented fuckheads and their billionaire overlords.

Initech

(109,753 posts)
41. Ugh it's so disheartening.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 12:26 AM
Monday

And I can place the blame on two particular individuals - Stephen Miller and Elon Musk. Saying they should rot in the hottest of hells is too good for these assholes. But Satan will be waiting for them.

maxsolomon

(39,481 posts)
44. Travellers on Tourist Visas are likely fine.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 02:07 PM
Monday

Italians aren't on Trump's watch list. The only precaution I'd take as a Euro visiting the US is wiping my search history off my phone - which everyone should do regularly, anyway.

I'm seeing F tons of World Cup visitors here, and they're all having a good time.

If any tourist overstays their visa, then they might have issues - which was true before that MFer and will be true after that MFer.

EX500rider

(12,863 posts)
45. Over blown fears if you have a valid tourist visa and a return ticket
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 04:24 PM
Monday

Approximately 68 million foreign tourists visited the United States last year, what % had ICE troubles?

delisen

(7,522 posts)
51. We will have huge tourism when petrodollar era ends
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 08:34 PM
Monday

Tourists flock to the places where their money buys more.

Jedi Guy

(3,532 posts)
53. I'm American but I have permanent resident status in Canada, so I live and work here.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 11:17 PM
Monday

My wife is a Canadian citizen. My mom lives in Arizona. My wife has flatly refused to enter the States since the orange hellbeast took office. She's not enamored of the idea of getting scooped up and tossed into a detention cell somewhere and I honestly can't blame her for being afraid of the possibility.

It really sucks since she hasn't seen my mom since we went home in early 2020. Every time since then I've gone back alone.

Thanks a lot, Trump.

Torchlight

(7,304 posts)
56. My in-laws refuse to set foot in the states
Tue Jun 30, 2026, 12:28 PM
Tuesday

as long as Mr. trump's jibbering his jabber, and I can't say I blame them. A nun was arrested for no other reason than being non-white only days ago. The heat from our oppressive state is too much for its own citizens, let alone visitors and tourists.

Heftylefty

(40 posts)
57. Fear for Italians from ICE
Tue Jun 30, 2026, 06:05 PM
Tuesday

I grew up in a neighborhood with Italian and Japanese immigrants. My cousins are half Sicilian, with dark skin, black hair and brown eyes. My thought when all this deportation BS started was, would they be targeted? Would the kids and grandkids of the lovely people I was surrounded by in my youth be detained because they "looked foreign?" We received many of the refugees from Southeast Asia after Vietnam. There's a large Pacific Islander population, who are either American citizens or American nationals depending on their island of origin, but all 100% legal. They've been harassed by ICE. Our Indigenous neighbors have been detained. It was never about immigration, but ethnic cleansing of anyone not lily-white.

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