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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is reasoning in the dissent for the birthright decision?
How do they justify ignoring the text of the constitution?
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What is reasoning in the dissent for the birthright decision? (Original Post)
Kablooie
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The 14th amendment provides that children "subject to the jurisdiction" are covered
LetMyPeopleVote
Tuesday
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viva la
(4,657 posts)1. "King Donald told us to ignore the constitution."
Mysterian
(6,777 posts)2. Treason
Those justices are enemies of our constitutional republic.
Wiz Imp
(10,953 posts)3. I don't know about the others, but Thomas says that birthright citizenship
only applies to people who pledge an allegiance to the US which of course is something not remotely found in the Constitution itself. In other words, he thinks it should apply only to those people he agrees for it to apply to. Constitution be damned.
Igel
(37,731 posts)4. From SCOTUSblog's 'analysis,' with a couple of my own comments in italics.
Justice Clarence Thomas penned a lengthy dissent, which Justice Neil Gorsuch joined. He called the majoritys account not historically accurate and said that it adds to the sad history of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was designed and understood to secure equal rights for the freed blacks but has instead been repurposed for political projects that the Reconstruction Congress did not support.
Gorsuch also wrote a separate brief dissent, in which he appeared to suggest that Trumps executive order might violate the Constitution as it applies to the children of undocumented immigrants who intend to live in the United States permanently. If those parents are not domiciled here, Gorsuch queried, then where are they domiciled? And if the answer is nowhere, he continued, how can we reconcile that conclusion with this Courts longstanding recognition that every person is domiciled somewhere? Because the challengers in this case have argued that Trumps order is invalid in all circumstances, rather than just some, Gorsuch explained, these questions may not be properly before us. But their answers are undeniably important to a Nation committed to a view of citizenship open to all children born here to parents who can call this country their home.
Gorsuch also wrote a separate brief dissent, in which he appeared to suggest that Trumps executive order might violate the Constitution as it applies to the children of undocumented immigrants who intend to live in the United States permanently. If those parents are not domiciled here, Gorsuch queried, then where are they domiciled? And if the answer is nowhere, he continued, how can we reconcile that conclusion with this Courts longstanding recognition that every person is domiciled somewhere? Because the challengers in this case have argued that Trumps order is invalid in all circumstances, rather than just some, Gorsuch explained, these questions may not be properly before us. But their answers are undeniably important to a Nation committed to a view of citizenship open to all children born here to parents who can call this country their home.
Thomas is, in that bit, arguing for Congressional intent. Not much different from liberal dissent to a conservative-majority opinion a few days ago.
Gorsuch is digging into what 'domiciled' means. It means have a permanent place of residence, one that you are obviously committed to. Since people in the country illegally cannot be here legally and are subject to deportation, they cannot be legally domiciled.
The poster upthread that mentions 'allegiance' is also talking Congressional intent, but with reference to Wong Kim Ark where having no intent to return was taken to construe allegiance and was part of the opinion that is widely cited.
I'd add that the radio today blurted out--I don't know if it was a lawyer or Congressman (yes, apparently male)--that to rule otherwise would avoid the 'clear and plain meaning of the text.' I think that applies to a lot of the Constitution and numerous other laws, too, but 'holistic readings' and 'Congressional intent' where only a few out of scores of representatives are represented are often used to circumvent 'clear and plain' readings, so that strikes me a thin reed of support. The one caveat to 'clear and plain' readings are that sometimes syntax and more frequently lexemes change meaning and for that, fortunately, there is enough contextual and even explicit support for some meanings and readings to be well grounded in what the text 'plainly' or 'clearly' meant.
LetMyPeopleVote
(184,468 posts)5. The 14th amendment provides that children "subject to the jurisdiction" are covered
The "subject to jurisdiction" now mans that children of diplomats are not entitled to birthright citizenship. One theory is to pass a law that says some children are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US. This was discussed in one dissent
MineralMan
(152,120 posts)6. They Hate "The Others."
It's that simple.