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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell I sure am embarrassed (in re: Platner)
I know I went all in there - even spent some money.
I don't know how we win that seat without a compelling candidate. This probably makes winning the Senate impossible and I regret my willingness to bend my personal morality for a political winner.
It came back to bite me.
senseandsensibility
(26,149 posts)but I will reserve my harshest judgement for those in power who endorsed him. Don't be too hard on yourself.
mr715
(5,032 posts)Mastery of the art of apology has gotten me far in my academic career.
RandySF
(88,427 posts)The tricky part is building a statewide campaign on the run.
BannonsLiver
(21,177 posts)Think about the amount of ego and self involvement it takes to gather signatures to get on a ballot, and then ask other adults for money to run a campaign. You really have to love the smell of your own brand to make that leap. Most people arent in that camp for a variety of reasons. My biggest and only real political regret is John Edwards. Its been a minute since his comeuppance but I still beat myself up over it. Live and learn. Anyway I wouldnt beat yourself up too much over this guy.
mr715
(5,032 posts)You're quite right that politicians are very high on their own supply.
mopinko
(74,300 posts)🙄🙄🙄🙄
thats always a red flag for me, and its got nothing to do w qualifications for the job.
BannonsLiver
(21,177 posts)LeftInTX
(35,124 posts)mopinko
(74,300 posts)test these ppl in lower level offices.
it works for the rw.
Cha
(321,745 posts)therir way up and having an excellent resume for leadership and Democracy.
I read somewhere on DU early on that he was recruited by someone who apparently didn't check his history.
QueerDuck
(2,382 posts)It's easier to cover-up a tattoo than it is to cover-up one's past... alleged past, I mean. I think the warning signs were there, but were ignored.
Bettie
(20,062 posts)the man was flawed. Seriously flawed.
And yet, still far better than the guy currently roosting in the white house.
BannonsLiver
(21,177 posts)Also I need to clarify that its was Edwards 2004. I was all in on Obama in 2008 from Day 1. Never even considered any other candidate.
mzmolly
(52,889 posts)You were also not alone in your support of Platner.
mr715
(5,032 posts)So I posted to air it out, and give others the space to feel what I feel.
I did switch allegiances a bunch of times in that race, which makes me feel a little dizzy.
EdmondDantes_
(2,356 posts)All the stuff the OP routinely dismissed demonstrated Platner's disregard for women.
You don't get to ignore Platner blaming women for rape, admitting he mistreated multiple girlfriends, sexting a bunch of women right after getting married, and dismiss claims of physically abusive behavior because the accuser was a Republican and say there's no way you could know Platner mistreated women. That the OP regularly belittled people (including me) for bringing that up means they absolutely was aware of it, they just chose to not acknowledge it because they liked what Platner was selling.
mr715
(5,032 posts)I first thought that Graham Platner was a firebrand gadfly that would be defeated by Janet Mills.
Janet Mills ran a horrible campaign, including town halls I watched and realized she was ill equipped for this moment.
I listened closer to what Platner had to say and liked his message.
I was motivated by a desire to defeat Susan Collins, who is a concrete problem. I desired to extend Graham Platner grace because he was fighting on our side.
Then it became more about personal demons, and actual sexual assault. And I cannot vote for that.
If you felt regularly belittled, idk, wasn't the intent.
ImNotGod
(1,352 posts)of a serious crime didn't report it?
Keepthesoulalive
(2,493 posts)No legislative experience, sexism, racism and a Nazi tattoo.
Stacey Grove
(231 posts)the SS Totenkopf tattoo had my mind reeling at how so many people sought to justify or excuse it.
Sickening.
boston bean
(37,025 posts)He was sucking all the oxygen out of the room. She has a proven record of being elected statewide.
mr715
(5,032 posts)Put it a different way -- she couldn't beat an accused rapist.
We need someone other than Mills.
boston bean
(37,025 posts)mr715
(5,032 posts)Then she didn't.
Then she did even worse.
Then she dropped out.
Then she, very cravenly, suggested she was "undropping out"
Then she lost 80-20.
No on Mills. I'm on the draft Stephen King boat now.
boston bean
(37,025 posts)Same may be for general, however, Collins is never going to receive platners vote. Are you stating that Platners voters will withhold their vote from Mills?
mr715
(5,032 posts)I don't think Mills will mobilize voters.
Age, energy, etc. etc.
boston bean
(37,025 posts)I still think she is best shot.
krawhitham
(5,126 posts)mr715
(5,032 posts)She doesn't have it.
krawhitham
(5,126 posts)I present facts and numbers and you have what, a hunch. Well your last hunch had you backing Platner, that worked out real well.
mr715
(5,032 posts)Your numbers are old news.
krawhitham
(5,126 posts)Blasphemer
(3,650 posts)Jack Valentino
(5,405 posts)but I disagree that we need a 'compelling candidate' in Maine---
I think a mostly-unknown Democrat without some scandalous
back-story can do it, with a (D) after their name ----
AND, such a mostly unknown should concentrate on making
SUSAN COLLINS the ISSUE !!!!!!
leftstreet
(41,431 posts)I believe I read he got the most votes in the primary in the state's history
Don't feel "embarrassed" though. You and those voters did nothing wrong. You got behind a message and a powerful hope for real change.
Platner's the only person who should feel embarrassed here
J_William_Ryan
(3,698 posts)It does.
obamanut2012
(29,821 posts)It makes it harder, but not impossible.
Cha
(321,745 posts)must be overwhelmingly credible for Dems like Ro Kanna to retract their endorsements.
And Planter to lay out his conditions for withdrawal so soon.
Hopefully, all is not lost, and the Maine Dems will find a great replacement if he does withdraw.
QueerDuck
(2,382 posts)Cha
(321,745 posts)endorsement. As you might know.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221356316
We'll see what tomorrow brings forth.
mr715
(5,032 posts)QueerDuck
(2,382 posts)Technically, though, he hasn't withdrawn his endorsement, AFIK.
mr715
(5,032 posts)As I posted elsewhere, Platner is now going through the stages of grief.
And as I posted before I was a supporter, he has 10-20 years of good works to do before he can ask for redemption. One of the perfects of being a "youthful" candidate.
karynnj
(61,287 posts)He privately talked to Platner and he described HIS recommendation that he drop out. From that and the article of the Platner discussions with his staff, it sounds like Sanders was sounding him out and giving him a path.
Knowing absolutely nothing, it may be that Sanders was listening and suggesting ways that Platner could drop out and feel he did it for "his movement". At this point, though he might have no path to becoming Senator, he may want his champaign to be seen as more than his crashing and burning .. now or in November.
As annoying as his arrogance and ego are, crediting him with winning an overwhelming primary victory and realizing we need him to do something he very likely absolutely does not want to do, we may need to consider what he would accept.
Given 70 percent voted for him, it would disenfranchise more than half the primary voters to pick Mills because she was second. However, if they had quickly set up caucuses across Maine, if she or any other candidate won, it would reflect the voter base better.
If something like that would be seen by Platner as allowing his movement a voice in picking the nominee, it seems better than having the TPTB picking someone.
QueerDuck
(2,382 posts)Disenfranchisement is when the system strips away your legal right to cast a ballot.
Primary voters cast their ballots freely and had them counted. The fact that the winner turned out to be personally unfit and had to drop out doesn't mean voters were disenfranchised; it means the candidate they picked disqualified himself.
Moving to the second-place finisher when a winner abdicates is how standard succession works... it isn't a subversion of democracy, its a necessary contingency plan.
Platner ran on false pretenses and disqualified himself. He shouldn't be rewarded with the "kingmaking" power to name his own replacement. A candidate who showed such incredibly poor judgment has zero business dictating the party's standard-bearer going forward.
Besides... treating a collapsed campaign as a 'movement' that "needs a voice in the succession" process sets a terrible precedent. Platner isn't exiting over a policy disagreement... he is stepping aside (we presume) due to disqualifying personal misconduct that he hid from the electorate.
When a candidate disqualifies themselves, they lose the right to dictate the party's future.
Letting a compromised campaign name its own successor undermines the entire concept of accountability. The party leadership's job right now isn't to appease a failed candidate's inner circle... it is to field a clean, vetted alternative who can protect the seat in November.
SocialDemocrat61
(8,479 posts)Many people a lot smarter and more knowledgeable about politics went all in on Planter despite his numerous red flags.
mr715
(5,032 posts)My credibility is a non-renewable resource and I expended some by being pro-Mills, then very pro-Platner -- somewhat, I suppose, as an overcompensation due to flipping sides.
And now, I am flipping again.
I have the luxury of not being a Maine voter, so this is just academic.
Thank you for the words of support. I'm not beating myself up, but I want to publicly acknowledge that I am embarrassed that I stridently supported someone so damaged, and that my logic - that we MUST win Maine - is very much undermined.
I'll survive, with a bruised but healthy ego. And lots of meds. And a symbiotic relationship with alcohol.
SocialDemocrat61
(8,479 posts)an expert. No one here is a professional politician or political consultant. We're all just like a bunch of sports fans commenting on the up and downs of our favorite team.