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mr715

(5,032 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:12 PM Monday

Well I sure am embarrassed (in re: Platner)

I know I went all in there - even spent some money.

I don't know how we win that seat without a compelling candidate. This probably makes winning the Senate impossible and I regret my willingness to bend my personal morality for a political winner.

It came back to bite me.

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Well I sure am embarrassed (in re: Platner) (Original Post) mr715 Monday OP
It's refreshing to hear you admit your mistake senseandsensibility Monday #1
I like to believe I'm good at admitting my mistakes. mr715 Monday #2
A clean candidate has a good chance regardless RandySF Monday #3
It's a good reminder these people aren't like most of us. BannonsLiver Monday #4
It is a mea culpa, I'm not beating myself up too much. mr715 Monday #5
ppl who want to start at the top- mopinko Monday #11
Very true. BannonsLiver Monday #13
Yes... Start at city council or something.... LeftInTX Monday #22
we need to build a bench. mopinko Monday #23
Yes, I like those who start working Cha Yesterday #29
Apparently, indeed. (And someone who'd never seen him shirtless, too. Clearly.) QueerDuck Yesterday #32
With Edwards the ideas were great Bettie 20 hrs ago #47
Yeah so many flaws. BannonsLiver 20 hrs ago #48
You did not have complete information. mzmolly Monday #6
Nope, nor am I the only one feeling the way I feel. mr715 Monday #7
Not like we didn't have most of it EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #26
I do not recall belittling mr715 23 hrs ago #40
Unless you are a mind reader I wouldn't be to hard on yourself. Like Bernie, how were you to know if the victim ImNotGod Monday #8
There were other red flags Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #27
In this post-truth world filled with willing lies and liars Stacey Grove Yesterday #31
Well,possibly , all is not lost. People really do not know if mills could pull it off. boston bean Monday #9
Mills is a no go. mr715 Monday #10
I think she could do it. boston bean Monday #12
I thought she could too. mr715 Monday #14
Listen, she was running against a guy who had a huge head start. boston bean Monday #17
I think Platner's coalition included people voting for Collins previously mr715 Monday #19
Sad state of affairs Maine is in then. boston bean Monday #20
She got her current job by winning a state wide race by 13 points krawhitham Monday #16
And couldn't now. mr715 Monday #18
She doesn't have WHAT? Her net positive approval rating in Maine is 21 points higher that Susan's krawhitham Yesterday #36
And she got her clocked cleaned. mr715 Yesterday #38
No, all did not. For some of us the NAZI tattoo was enough krawhitham Monday #15
Appreciate the honest and public self-reflection. nt Blasphemer Monday #21
yeah, I hear ya, me too--- Jack Valentino Monday #24
You and 150k+ Maine voters leftstreet Monday #25
"This probably makes winning the Senate impossible" J_William_Ryan Yesterday #28
No, it doesn't obamanut2012 23 hrs ago #41
Mahalo for saying that, mr715 Cha Yesterday #30
Is Bernie still sticking with him? QueerDuck Yesterday #33
AFAIk, but Sen Warren has retracted her Cha Yesterday #34
Sen. Sanders has called for him to drop out. mr715 Yesterday #37
Yes... that's something at least. I think that's about as strong of a repudiation as we'll get from him. QueerDuck Yesterday #39
From Sen. Sanders? It is Brutus' knife. mr715 23 hrs ago #42
Look at what he said more closely karynnj 23 hrs ago #43
Nobody would be disenfranchised. That isn't what 'disenfranchise' means. QueerDuck 23 hrs ago #44
Don't beat yourself up SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #35
I am often wrong in my analysis mr715 21 hrs ago #45
No one here expects anyone to be SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #46

senseandsensibility

(26,149 posts)
1. It's refreshing to hear you admit your mistake
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:14 PM
Monday

but I will reserve my harshest judgement for those in power who endorsed him. Don't be too hard on yourself.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
2. I like to believe I'm good at admitting my mistakes.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:17 PM
Monday

Mastery of the art of apology has gotten me far in my academic career.

RandySF

(88,427 posts)
3. A clean candidate has a good chance regardless
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:20 PM
Monday

The tricky part is building a statewide campaign on the run.

BannonsLiver

(21,177 posts)
4. It's a good reminder these people aren't like most of us.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:31 PM
Monday

Think about the amount of ego and self involvement it takes to gather signatures to get on a ballot, and then ask other adults for money to run a campaign. You really have to love the smell of your own brand to make that leap. Most people aren’t in that camp for a variety of reasons. My biggest and only real political regret is John Edwards. It’s been a minute since his comeuppance but I still beat myself up over it. Live and learn. Anyway I wouldn’t beat yourself up too much over this guy.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
5. It is a mea culpa, I'm not beating myself up too much.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:36 PM
Monday

You're quite right that politicians are very high on their own supply.

mopinko

(74,300 posts)
11. ppl who want to start at the top-
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:46 PM
Monday

🙄🙄🙄🙄
that’s always a red flag for me, and it’s got nothing to do w qualifications for the job.

Cha

(321,745 posts)
29. Yes, I like those who start working
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 01:21 AM
Yesterday

therir way up and having an excellent resume for leadership and Democracy.

I read somewhere on DU early on that he was recruited by someone who apparently didn't check his history.

QueerDuck

(2,382 posts)
32. Apparently, indeed. (And someone who'd never seen him shirtless, too. Clearly.)
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 06:00 AM
Yesterday

It's easier to cover-up a tattoo than it is to cover-up one's past... alleged past, I mean. I think the warning signs were there, but were ignored.

Bettie

(20,062 posts)
47. With Edwards the ideas were great
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:56 PM
20 hrs ago

the man was flawed. Seriously flawed.

And yet, still far better than the guy currently roosting in the white house.

BannonsLiver

(21,177 posts)
48. Yeah so many flaws.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:59 PM
20 hrs ago

Also I need to clarify that it’s was Edwards 2004. I was all in on Obama in 2008 from Day 1. Never even considered any other candidate.

mzmolly

(52,889 posts)
6. You did not have complete information.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:37 PM
Monday

You were also not alone in your support of Platner.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
7. Nope, nor am I the only one feeling the way I feel.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:38 PM
Monday

So I posted to air it out, and give others the space to feel what I feel.

I did switch allegiances a bunch of times in that race, which makes me feel a little dizzy.

EdmondDantes_

(2,356 posts)
26. Not like we didn't have most of it
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:04 AM
Yesterday

All the stuff the OP routinely dismissed demonstrated Platner's disregard for women.

You don't get to ignore Platner blaming women for rape, admitting he mistreated multiple girlfriends, sexting a bunch of women right after getting married, and dismiss claims of physically abusive behavior because the accuser was a Republican and say there's no way you could know Platner mistreated women. That the OP regularly belittled people (including me) for bringing that up means they absolutely was aware of it, they just chose to not acknowledge it because they liked what Platner was selling.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
40. I do not recall belittling
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:12 PM
23 hrs ago

I first thought that Graham Platner was a firebrand gadfly that would be defeated by Janet Mills.

Janet Mills ran a horrible campaign, including town halls I watched and realized she was ill equipped for this moment.

I listened closer to what Platner had to say and liked his message.

I was motivated by a desire to defeat Susan Collins, who is a concrete problem. I desired to extend Graham Platner grace because he was fighting on our side.

Then it became more about personal demons, and actual sexual assault. And I cannot vote for that.

If you felt regularly belittled, idk, wasn't the intent.

ImNotGod

(1,352 posts)
8. Unless you are a mind reader I wouldn't be to hard on yourself. Like Bernie, how were you to know if the victim
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:42 PM
Monday

of a serious crime didn't report it?

Stacey Grove

(231 posts)
31. In this post-truth world filled with willing lies and liars
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 05:56 AM
Yesterday

the SS Totenkopf tattoo had my mind reeling at how so many people sought to justify or excuse it.

Sickening.

boston bean

(37,025 posts)
9. Well,possibly , all is not lost. People really do not know if mills could pull it off.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:45 PM
Monday

He was sucking all the oxygen out of the room. She has a proven record of being elected statewide.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
10. Mills is a no go.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:46 PM
Monday

Put it a different way -- she couldn't beat an accused rapist.

We need someone other than Mills.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
14. I thought she could too.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:51 PM
Monday

Then she didn't.

Then she did even worse.

Then she dropped out.

Then she, very cravenly, suggested she was "undropping out"

Then she lost 80-20.

No on Mills. I'm on the draft Stephen King boat now.

boston bean

(37,025 posts)
17. Listen, she was running against a guy who had a huge head start.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:59 PM
Monday

Same may be for general, however, Collins is never going to receive platners vote. Are you stating that Platners voters will withhold their vote from Mills?

mr715

(5,032 posts)
19. I think Platner's coalition included people voting for Collins previously
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 07:01 PM
Monday

I don't think Mills will mobilize voters.

Age, energy, etc. etc.

krawhitham

(5,126 posts)
36. She doesn't have WHAT? Her net positive approval rating in Maine is 21 points higher that Susan's
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 12:16 PM
Yesterday

I present facts and numbers and you have what, a hunch. Well your last hunch had you backing Platner, that worked out real well.

Jack Valentino

(5,405 posts)
24. yeah, I hear ya, me too---
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:37 PM
Monday

but I disagree that we need a 'compelling candidate' in Maine---

I think a mostly-unknown Democrat without some scandalous
back-story can do it, with a (D) after their name ----

AND, such a mostly unknown should concentrate on making
SUSAN COLLINS the ISSUE !!!!!!

leftstreet

(41,431 posts)
25. You and 150k+ Maine voters
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:51 PM
Monday

I believe I read he got the most votes in the primary in the state's history

Don't feel "embarrassed" though. You and those voters did nothing wrong. You got behind a message and a powerful hope for real change.

Platner's the only person who should feel embarrassed here

Cha

(321,745 posts)
30. Mahalo for saying that, mr715
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 02:51 AM
Yesterday

must be overwhelmingly credible for Dems like Ro Kanna to retract their endorsements.

And Planter to lay out his conditions for withdrawal so soon.

Hopefully, all is not lost, and the Maine Dems will find a great replacement if he does withdraw.

QueerDuck

(2,382 posts)
39. Yes... that's something at least. I think that's about as strong of a repudiation as we'll get from him.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:03 PM
Yesterday

Technically, though, he hasn't withdrawn his endorsement, AFIK.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
42. From Sen. Sanders? It is Brutus' knife.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:19 PM
23 hrs ago

As I posted elsewhere, Platner is now going through the stages of grief.

And as I posted before I was a supporter, he has 10-20 years of good works to do before he can ask for redemption. One of the perfects of being a "youthful" candidate.

karynnj

(61,287 posts)
43. Look at what he said more closely
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:43 PM
23 hrs ago

He privately talked to Platner and he described HIS recommendation that he drop out. From that and the article of the Platner discussions with his staff, it sounds like Sanders was sounding him out and giving him a path.

Knowing absolutely nothing, it may be that Sanders was listening and suggesting ways that Platner could drop out and feel he did it for "his movement". At this point, though he might have no path to becoming Senator, he may want his champaign to be seen as more than his crashing and burning .. now or in November.

As annoying as his arrogance and ego are, crediting him with winning an overwhelming primary victory and realizing we need him to do something he very likely absolutely does not want to do, we may need to consider what he would accept.

Given 70 percent voted for him, it would disenfranchise more than half the primary voters to pick Mills because she was second. However, if they had quickly set up caucuses across Maine, if she or any other candidate won, it would reflect the voter base better.

If something like that would be seen by Platner as allowing his movement a voice in picking the nominee, it seems better than having the TPTB picking someone.

QueerDuck

(2,382 posts)
44. Nobody would be disenfranchised. That isn't what 'disenfranchise' means.
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:56 PM
23 hrs ago

Disenfranchisement is when the system strips away your legal right to cast a ballot.

Primary voters cast their ballots freely and had them counted. The fact that the winner turned out to be personally unfit and had to drop out doesn't mean voters were disenfranchised; it means the candidate they picked disqualified himself.

Moving to the second-place finisher when a winner abdicates is how standard succession works... it isn't a subversion of democracy, it’s a necessary contingency plan.

Platner ran on false pretenses and disqualified himself. He shouldn't be rewarded with the "kingmaking" power to name his own replacement. A candidate who showed such incredibly poor judgment has zero business dictating the party's standard-bearer going forward.

Besides... treating a collapsed campaign as a 'movement' that "needs a voice in the succession" process sets a terrible precedent. Platner isn't exiting over a policy disagreement... he is stepping aside (we presume) due to disqualifying personal misconduct that he hid from the electorate.

When a candidate disqualifies themselves, they lose the right to dictate the party's future.

Letting a compromised campaign name its own successor undermines the entire concept of accountability. The party leadership's job right now isn't to appease a failed candidate's inner circle... it is to field a clean, vetted alternative who can protect the seat in November.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,479 posts)
35. Don't beat yourself up
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 06:23 AM
Yesterday

Many people a lot smarter and more knowledgeable about politics went all in on Planter despite his numerous red flags.

mr715

(5,032 posts)
45. I am often wrong in my analysis
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 06:10 PM
21 hrs ago

My credibility is a non-renewable resource and I expended some by being pro-Mills, then very pro-Platner -- somewhat, I suppose, as an overcompensation due to flipping sides.

And now, I am flipping again.

I have the luxury of not being a Maine voter, so this is just academic.

Thank you for the words of support. I'm not beating myself up, but I want to publicly acknowledge that I am embarrassed that I stridently supported someone so damaged, and that my logic - that we MUST win Maine - is very much undermined.

I'll survive, with a bruised but healthy ego. And lots of meds. And a symbiotic relationship with alcohol.

SocialDemocrat61

(8,479 posts)
46. No one here expects anyone to be
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 07:54 PM
20 hrs ago

an expert. No one here is a professional politician or political consultant. We're all just like a bunch of sports fans commenting on the up and downs of our favorite team.

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