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senseandsensibility

(26,184 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 06:42 PM Wednesday

Breaking from Gavin Newsom

From democracydocket : BREAKING: California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) will introduce new legislation making ballot seizure before they are counted and certified by a state or county official a felony."

Way to go, Gov. Newsom. He's on offense again, just like he was when he put the redistricting proposition on the ballot (and won).

May other Governors follow.

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Breaking from Gavin Newsom (Original Post) senseandsensibility Wednesday OP
We all love our Governor! skylucy Wednesday #1
Oh yes we do senseandsensibility Wednesday #3
K & R.................. Lovie777 Wednesday #2
here as well, Marc Elias DoBW Wednesday #4
He'd make a good president. calimary Wednesday #6
He's my favorite so far. llmart Wednesday #10
thats why i reelected him before. AllaN01Bear Wednesday #24
I will definitely give Newsom close consideration. ShazzieB Yesterday #35
His best qualification azureblue Yesterday #39
I'm surprised it wasn't all along! some_of_us_are_sane Wednesday #9
He's been at the vanguard of MAGA 2.0 resistance from Day 1. BannonsLiver Wednesday #5
Every state needs to do this IMMEDIATELY FakeNoose Wednesday #7
You're right. It should not be necessary. hamsterjill Wednesday #19
Kick Exp Wednesday #8
Purple states must take the same steps. oasis Wednesday #11
This would actually probably survive the supremacy clause too SSJVegeta Wednesday #12
Yes, because states are in charge of elections, not the feds. wnylib Wednesday #26
And it is explicitly stated in the constitution. A fact that matters to 5 whole justices so far. SSJVegeta Wednesday #31
LOL popsdenver Yesterday #36
I'm skeptical. TomSlick Wednesday #13
Nope. Article I, Section 4. paleotn Wednesday #15
I don't read Article I, Section 4 that expansively. TomSlick Wednesday #17
Tenth Amendment. paleotn Wednesday #18
That's a better argument TomSlick Wednesday #20
You're retired JAG, in Arkansas, and you're Texas two step dancing MerryBlooms Wednesday #29
That's what old lawyers do. TomSlick 15 hrs ago #42
My father-in-law was a District Judge MerryBlooms 14 hrs ago #43
The legislation can be written so that a proper judicial warrant would be needed with reason to believe muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #38
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #16
Federal agents are also armed and authorized to shoot someone threatening with a weapon. TomSlick Wednesday #21
depends who gets the drop on who dave99 Wednesday #25
Ridiculous and illegal senseandsensibility Wednesday #22
No, that's not how any of this works. MerryBlooms Wednesday #30
Democrats have to be proactive in these treacherous times dlk Wednesday #14
ding. this . AllaN01Bear Wednesday #23
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #27
I don't know who you're talking about senseandsensibility Wednesday #28
This is exactly what we need!! Proactive vs reactive!!! Pisces Wednesday #32
He thinks and operates from a broad perspective. Sogo Wednesday #33
THis is good, but completely misss the point Bluetus Yesterday #34
i totally misunderstood the headline orleans Yesterday #37
Leading the way. Martin68 20 hrs ago #40
I believe there are now meds for ballot seizures. C Moon 19 hrs ago #41

senseandsensibility

(26,184 posts)
3. Oh yes we do
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 06:55 PM
Wednesday

He is rapidly proving his detractors wrong. They may still be turned off by his "slickness" but he is doing what needs to be done to safeguard our elections.

DoBW

(3,435 posts)
4. here as well, Marc Elias
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:11 PM
Wednesday

🚨BREAKING: California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) will introduce new legislation making ballot seizure before they are counted and certified by a state or county official a felony. In a July 4 recorded speech, Newsom was not shy about who the law targets. www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/...

Marc Elias (@marcelias.bsky.social) 2026-07-08T20:40:10.597Z

llmart

(17,797 posts)
10. He's my favorite so far.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:56 PM
Wednesday

We certainly have quite a few good Dems who could do a great job. That's a good problem!

ShazzieB

(23,140 posts)
35. I will definitely give Newsom close consideration.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:16 AM
Yesterday

I've got my eye on him, but I'm not ready to firmly commit myself to any particular candidate this early in the game. (I want to see the whole field first.)

azureblue

(2,787 posts)
39. His best qualification
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 09:10 AM
Yesterday

is that he runs the fourth largest economy in the world, successfully, while doing things to help the people of his state. There is no other candidate that can get even close to that. Add to that, he stands up to Trump and his cronies, and makes them back down...

IF he is elected president, you know he will have to deal with GOP sabotaging from day one. Gavin has a rapid response team in gear, and they have been effective at push back. No matter which Dem gets elected President, the GOP will try to tear them apart, squeaky clean record or not. And THIS is critical to stop at day one.. If the GOP gets a foothold on attacks, it will cripple the president, who will have to spend time just responding to their attacks (See Clinton, Carter, etc.) So we need a president who know show to kick them in the nuts...

While there are candidates with better ideology, Gavin is, practically speaking, the best one out there. If he pairs with AOC for VP, I think he would be unstoppable.. Let's hope.

FakeNoose

(43,323 posts)
7. Every state needs to do this IMMEDIATELY
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:33 PM
Wednesday

Who can believe we're so messed up that something like this is even necessary?

hamsterjill

(18,060 posts)
19. You're right. It should not be necessary.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:23 PM
Wednesday

I can see Greg Abbott jumping right on this!

[Surely, I don't need a sarcasm emoji.]

SSJVegeta

(3,541 posts)
31. And it is explicitly stated in the constitution. A fact that matters to 5 whole justices so far.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:59 PM
Wednesday

popsdenver

(2,907 posts)
36. LOL
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 03:11 AM
Yesterday

were you around in the 2000 election??????????????????? I would bet that Al Gore thought that also.........

TomSlick

(13,168 posts)
13. I'm skeptical.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 07:59 PM
Wednesday

If a federal agent seized ballots, I would expect a court to find the state law cannot survive analysis under the supremacy clause. (U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2)

paleotn

(23,234 posts)
15. Nope. Article I, Section 4.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:04 PM
Wednesday

Elections are state matters from start to finish, even for federal office. The Constitution only mentions that Congress has some oversight. The executive branch has zip.

TomSlick

(13,168 posts)
17. I don't read Article I, Section 4 that expansively.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:17 PM
Wednesday

The section states:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing (choosing) Senators.


I see nothing to prohibit the feds from investigating "voter fraud."

paleotn

(23,234 posts)
18. Tenth Amendment.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:22 PM
Wednesday

It doesn't need to be expansive. It's rather clear, no? And prohibition doesn't need to be explicit to have exactly that meaning. If it were, the damn thing would take up volumes.

TomSlick

(13,168 posts)
20. That's a better argument
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:35 PM
Wednesday

but I doubt SCOTUS would interpret Amendment X to prohibit federal investigation of "voter fraud."

Would a California officer really try to arrest an FBI agent attempting to seize ballots? If the FBI agent resisted, would a California officer draw a weapon? If an FBI agent drew a weapon, would a California officer shot?

MerryBlooms

(12,657 posts)
29. You're retired JAG, in Arkansas, and you're Texas two step dancing
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:52 PM
Wednesday

around this!
You're one heckuva lawyer 🤠😆🫡

MerryBlooms

(12,657 posts)
43. My father-in-law was a District Judge
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 06:29 PM
14 hrs ago

I respect good court. 🫡🥰

He ruled some precedent setting cases here in OR. He was also a gentleman farmer. Dog breeder, horse man. Home remodler...

Came from sharecroppers that followed the crops, at first. His mom was full Choctaw from OK. They lived in tents until Washington/Oregon. His GGpa was an OK territory Marshall lol.

Anyway, like I said. I respect good lawyers. You folks see the worst of humanity. Leave it at the courthouse, come home toj your family with love and guidance... 🥰🫡
I


muriel_volestrangler

(107,046 posts)
38. The legislation can be written so that a proper judicial warrant would be needed with reason to believe
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 09:09 AM
Yesterday

the particular batch of ballots contain the evidence of fraud. Sure, they can *investigate* fraud, but that doesn't mean they can seize ballots without explicit need to take the ballots they have evidence of wrongdoing for (you can investigate a person, but need a warrant to search their property). And it ought to need to be "needs to be seized now, rather than after they've been counted".

Response to TomSlick (Reply #13)

TomSlick

(13,168 posts)
21. Federal agents are also armed and authorized to shoot someone threatening with a weapon.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:37 PM
Wednesday

dlk

(13,513 posts)
14. Democrats have to be proactive in these treacherous times
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:03 PM
Wednesday

Republicans are moving heaven and earth to steal the next election.

Bravo governor Newsom!

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sogo

(7,365 posts)
33. He thinks and operates from a broad perspective.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:05 PM
Wednesday

That's why I think he would be a great President.....

Bluetus

(3,413 posts)
34. THis is good, but completely misss the point
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:05 AM
Yesterday

The current attach has nothing to do with seizing ballots after cast and before counting. Surely there must already be felony laws covering that. If not, then by all means put that law on the books.

But what is going on at present is an effort to disenfranchise voters by looking at past ballots and using that as the basis for voter purges. That needs a different kind of felony law. It should be a felony for any person to release ballots to anybody except with a valid court order.

orleans

(37,579 posts)
37. i totally misunderstood the headline
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 03:13 AM
Yesterday

i thought it was essentially saying breaking away from gavin newsom
as if you don't like him anymore for whatever reason



i almost didn't click on this thread

it would have been clearer if it said breaking news from gavin newsom
(especially at 2 in the morning! lol)

C Moon

(13,866 posts)
41. I believe there are now meds for ballot seizures.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:18 PM
19 hrs ago

Proud of Mr. Newsom. Always keeping one step ahead of the evil gop men do.

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