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TomSlick

(13,165 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:25 PM 18 hrs ago

I was feeling bad for Platner but I'm over it.

He blamed his woes on "political apparatchiks." It's bad enough that he blamed Democrats he used a old soviet term.

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I was feeling bad for Platner but I'm over it. (Original Post) TomSlick 18 hrs ago OP
I feel bad for Platner and now I feel bad for the party Tim S 18 hrs ago #1
I'm confused. Sanders told him to withdraw because rapists aren't fit for public office EdmondDantes_ 18 hrs ago #4
Wow! AFAIK, people in this country USED TO BE innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Tim S 17 hrs ago #10
Trump is a rapist JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #14
The last time I checked, this isn't a court of law EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #17
"in a court of law", sure krawhitham 15 hrs ago #28
What was the moral stand? sarisataka 17 hrs ago #7
Platner had no moral stand except he was a fraud who lied his way throughout, and then blamed lostincalifornia 15 hrs ago #27
Hint: SANDERS DID TAKE A MORAL STAND. The one who didn't take a moral stand was Platner. lostincalifornia 14 hrs ago #33
Sanders called for Platner to step down. ananda 18 hrs ago #2
That seems to be the issue this person has with Sanders Boo1 15 hrs ago #30
TY, Perhaps Sanders knows something Cha 11 hrs ago #41
TY and so are a lot of Dems! Cha 12 hrs ago #40
I feel bad for us. dem4decades 18 hrs ago #3
"political apparatchiks." sheshe2 18 hrs ago #5
Of course he did. TomSlick 18 hrs ago #6
Thanks. sheshe2 17 hrs ago #9
At the end of his rambling statement, he finally said he was withdrawing. TomSlick 17 hrs ago #11
Thank you, good to know. sheshe2 17 hrs ago #13
Ty, Tom! SheltieLover 17 hrs ago #18
OT, but happy 83,000 post milestone, SheltieLover! Wednesdays 3 hrs ago #57
Ty. I hadn't noticed. Lol SheltieLover 3 hrs ago #58
Someone else has recently been using the term communist a lot sarisataka 17 hrs ago #8
LOL! sheshe2 17 hrs ago #16
I noticed that, too. when I first read Cha 11 hrs ago #42
Of course he did... Insults on Cha 16 hrs ago #19
I know u are busy with the little one. sheshe2 16 hrs ago #23
Thank You! I will remember Cha 15 hrs ago #25
He is incredible! sheshe2 15 hrs ago #26
lol... I tried to .. I was ready but Cha 12 hrs ago #36
Oh no! sheshe2 12 hrs ago #38
Lol! Yes Toshi is an excellent Cha 11 hrs ago #44
Wow! sheshe2 11 hrs ago #45
Of course he did... Insults on Cha 16 hrs ago #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Cha 16 hrs ago #19
Of course he did... Insults on Cha 16 hrs ago #20
What with totenkopfs and apparatchiks, is he from the first half of the 20th century? betsuni 12 hrs ago #37
Looks like it and he is welcome to return there. sheshe2 12 hrs ago #39
Now Republicans can go back to asking themselves why they keep supporting Epstein's best buddy Trump RoeVWade 17 hrs ago #12
I feel bad for his voters leftstreet 17 hrs ago #15
Yet he goes out trashing the party radical noodle 6 hrs ago #55
... littlemissmartypants 15 hrs ago #24
+++ lostincalifornia 15 hrs ago #29
Mahalo, pants☮️💙 Cha 12 hrs ago #35
Mahalo, Cha. 👍🤓 littlemissmartypants 7 hrs ago #47
This was a horrible speech LetMyPeopleVote 15 hrs ago #31
Just compare him to Swalwell's exit. Platner just demonstrated his true personality with lostincalifornia 15 hrs ago #32
His drop out speech... sheshe2 11 hrs ago #43
Me too. Voted 1st for Janet Mills, second for GP OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #34
The man is absolutely insufferable. lapucelle 7 hrs ago #46
talk about a sore loser eShirl 7 hrs ago #48
Post removed Post removed 7 hrs ago #49
bye eShirl 7 hrs ago #50
Message auto-removed Name removed 7 hrs ago #51
I feel bad that he is a mess. I feel bad for his wife. I feel bad GPV 7 hrs ago #52
Lawrence was great last night LetMyPeopleVote 6 hrs ago #53
I feel bad for the dem voters in Maine. Platner? flvegan 6 hrs ago #54
I strongly supported the message, not the messenger; apparently, too many Democrats hated both. sop 5 hrs ago #56

Tim S

(385 posts)
1. I feel bad for Platner and now I feel bad for the party
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:33 PM
18 hrs ago

I agreed with every word Platner said tonight. I’ve been a Bernie Sanders supporter and donated heavily to his Presidential runs, but Sen Sanders lost my respect and any future support due to his lack of courage and conviction by failing to take a moral stand.

The America I knew is dead. I’m just glad that I’ll be dead before things become unbearably worse.

EdmondDantes_

(2,368 posts)
4. I'm confused. Sanders told him to withdraw because rapists aren't fit for public office
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:45 PM
18 hrs ago

That's the only correct moral stance.

Tim S

(385 posts)
10. Wow! AFAIK, people in this country USED TO BE innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:59 PM
17 hrs ago

I will happily refer to Platner as a rapist on the day a jury of his peers convicts him on that charge. Until then I still believe in America. I don’t know what your problem is.

JustAnotherGen

(38,252 posts)
14. Trump is a rapist
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:12 PM
17 hrs ago

In Civil Court. So is he a rapist? Or does he get a pass since it didn't happen in a criminal court?

EdmondDantes_

(2,368 posts)
17. The last time I checked, this isn't a court of law
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:17 PM
17 hrs ago

But given the fact that only a tiny minority of rape claims are false, the guy in question admits he mistreated women, and there are multiple outcry witnesses from two years before Platner ran for office, it's exceedingly unlikely it's a lie.

So no, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. He's not entitled (no matter how much he whined in his dropping out) to a Senate seat or even being allowed to stay in the race.

lostincalifornia

(5,699 posts)
27. Platner had no moral stand except he was a fraud who lied his way throughout, and then blamed
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:44 PM
15 hrs ago

everyone else on his flaws.

In my view Maine Democrats avoided a disaster.






lostincalifornia

(5,699 posts)
33. Hint: SANDERS DID TAKE A MORAL STAND. The one who didn't take a moral stand was Platner.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:53 PM
14 hrs ago

Boo1

(744 posts)
30. That seems to be the issue this person has with Sanders
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:49 PM
15 hrs ago

That he didn't defend the rapist enough.

Cha

(321,760 posts)
41. TY, Perhaps Sanders knows something
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:55 AM
11 hrs ago

that person doesn't as well as Sen Warren and Mayor Mamdani.

And all the other Democratic leaders.

sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
5. "political apparatchiks."
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:49 PM
18 hrs ago

I had to look it up. Looks like he called Democrats Communists.

Origin

The term “apparatchiks” originated in the Soviet Union during the early 20th century. It was used to describe the members of the Communist Party who held positions of power within the party apparatus. The Soviet Union was a highly centralized state, and the Communist Party was the primary vehicle for political power. The party controlled all aspects of Soviet life, and its members were responsible for implementing the policies and directives of the party.


Associations
The term “apparatchiks” is often associated with the Soviet Union and other communist countries. However, it can also be used to describe members of any political organization who are responsible for implementing the policies and directives of the party. The term is often used in a derogatory manner to describe people who are seen as being part of a large, impersonal organization that is more concerned with maintaining its own power than with serving the needs of the people.


https://words-wiki.com/apparatchiks-definition-meaning/

sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
9. Thanks.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:58 PM
17 hrs ago

I was never for him in the first place and sadly he is still holding at 'suspending' his campaign and not withdrawing.

sarisataka

(23,215 posts)
8. Someone else has recently been using the term communist a lot
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 08:57 PM
17 hrs ago

but the name escapes me at the moment

Cha

(321,760 posts)
19. Of course he did... Insults on
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:05 PM
16 hrs ago

The way out.

And he uses a word that is reminiscent of communism? Why does that sound so familiar?

TY, I’m at Jazzy’s now and can’t post much.

He can thank Sanders, Warren, and Mamdani too for believing the credible evidence that was documented and the woman

sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
23. I know u are busy with the little one.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:52 PM
16 hrs ago

I just watched Lawrence O'Donnell; it was a good segment. He had clips of Platners little goodbye speech. He called out the bullshit he was spewing.

Try to catch it later if you can.

Say hi to Jazzy for me!

Cha

(321,760 posts)
25. Thank You! I will remember
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:25 PM
15 hrs ago

That. I’m on the bus 🚎 now, I’ll see her next week. She was by side when I texted you. I’ll show her your reply.

TY for LO’D news. I saw the one last night. Priceless!!

Cha

(321,760 posts)
36. lol... I tried to .. I was ready but
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:20 AM
12 hrs ago

turns out I thought I had my keys with me, but I didn't.

It was after 6 PM, and no manager. But my neighbor Toshi got in through the kitchen window. I was so grateful that I didn't care how late it was.

sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
38. Oh no!
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:39 AM
12 hrs ago

I am so glad you had a neighbor that is good at breaking and entering! Good on Toshi.

Cha

(321,760 posts)
44. Lol! Yes Toshi is an excellent
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 03:07 AM
11 hrs ago

next door neighbor for 9 years now.. that went by fast!

BTW, Cindy and her family are in Japan now for her granddaughter's high school graduation present.

Cha

(321,760 posts)
19. Of course he did... Insults on
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:05 PM
16 hrs ago

The way out.

And he uses a word that is reminiscent of communism? Why does that sound so familiar?

TY, I’m at Jazzy’s now and can’t post much.

He can thank Sanders, Warren, and Mamdani too for believing the credible evidence that was documented and the woman

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #5)

Cha

(321,760 posts)
20. Of course he did... Insults on
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:05 PM
16 hrs ago

The way out.

And he uses a word that is reminiscent of communism? Why does that sound so familiar?

TY, I’m at Jazzy’s now and can’t post much.

He can thank Sanders, Warren, and Mamdani too for believing the credible evidence that was documented and the woman

betsuni

(29,528 posts)
37. What with totenkopfs and apparatchiks, is he from the first half of the 20th century?
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:24 AM
12 hrs ago

sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
39. Looks like it and he is welcome to return there.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:48 AM
12 hrs ago

Thank goddess we were spared that one.

I actually think that we can win this one. I believe ME is ready for a change. Read here tonight that recent polling was showing that he was not faring well against Sue though the Dem candidates that were running for the Governor's seat were in the plus margin.

We shall see.

RoeVWade

(983 posts)
12. Now Republicans can go back to asking themselves why they keep supporting Epstein's best buddy Trump
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:07 PM
17 hrs ago

ntx

leftstreet

(41,443 posts)
15. I feel bad for his voters
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:15 PM
17 hrs ago

and volunteers

For the first time in THIRTY years of living under The Duchess of Maine, they found a message that inspired them to get out and vote

Hope they can grieve and then get behind a new candidate.

radical noodle

(10,759 posts)
55. Yet he goes out trashing the party
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 08:41 AM
6 hrs ago

and blaming everyone except himself. His statement was meant to discourage Democratic voters and anger those who supported him. I find that reprehensible. Reminds me of a certain Republican that prefers revenge over accountability.

littlemissmartypants

(35,871 posts)
24. ...
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:25 PM
15 hrs ago

Characteristics of Psychopaths
1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Completely void of conscience and empathy
3. Adept at manipulating others
4. Willing to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willing to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willing to use force, intimidation, and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willing to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Completely lacking any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions cause
11. Rationalize their own immoral behavior
12. Attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own bad conduct
13. Will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Display utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of others
15. Exhibit pathological lying, will compulsively say anything without any concern for the truth to advance their own agendas
16. Able to fake normal human emotions and empathy with the exception of joy, laughter
17. Have a distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Totally fail to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strongly believe that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

littlemissmartypants

(35,871 posts)
47. Mahalo, Cha. 👍🤓
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 07:18 AM
7 hrs ago

It's a valuable resource. Comes in handy in a multitude of situations.

❣️🕊

lostincalifornia

(5,699 posts)
32. Just compare him to Swalwell's exit. Platner just demonstrated his true personality with
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 11:50 PM
15 hrs ago

his dropping out speech tonight.

He is not an honest person.




sheshe2

(99,229 posts)
43. His drop out speech...
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:59 AM
11 hrs ago

He looked very angry. You could see it simmering just below the surface. He has a drinking problem and I sure as hell hope he doesn't take any of his anger out on his wife.

OAITW r.2.0

(33,043 posts)
34. Me too. Voted 1st for Janet Mills, second for GP
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:03 AM
14 hrs ago

I never trust anyone coming from the outfield to suddenly run for national office. I want to see a history.

I met Janet back in 2010 when she was mentoring my wife to run for Statehouse Rep. in our district.

lapucelle

(21,372 posts)
46. The man is absolutely insufferable.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 07:07 AM
7 hrs ago

He showed his true colors this week when he held Maine Democrats hostage in an effort to get his demands met.

Response to eShirl (Reply #48)

Response to eShirl (Reply #50)

GPV

(73,486 posts)
52. I feel bad that he is a mess. I feel bad for his wife. I feel bad
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 07:38 AM
7 hrs ago

about losing someone who is fighting for what I believe in. But, I do not feel bad about losing him. I felt very uncomfortable about that tattoo and storyline. I couldn't bring myself to jump on the bandwagon, and Genevieve McDonald confirmed what I felt.

At this point, I am angry that he and his advisers tried to pull the wool over our eyes and push through. "The ends justifies the means" is Republican thinking, even if the Platner campaign' end is better than what the GOP does. I'm not looking for purity, I'm looking for humanity. The GOP gave theirs up. I don't want to give up mine.

Fuck. Progressives have a hard enough fight to sit at the table, and now this.

sop

(20,071 posts)
56. I strongly supported the message, not the messenger; apparently, too many Democrats hated both.
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 09:09 AM
5 hrs ago

I hope Democrats in Maine settle on another candidate who can inspire Platner's voters, not another "moderate" Democrat who will lose in November.

I also hope the media follows up and does a little real journalism in the wake of their initial breathless hysteria. Voters deserve more than the usual scandal pile-on we've all seen too many times. A few in the media already are looking more closely at the accusations, those not afraid of being called "rapist defenders." A lot of so-called "evidence" in this accuser's story doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

I'm not defending Platner. If he is what many say he is, then good riddance to him. I'm questioning the current political and media climate, where uninvestigated and unsubstantiated accusations can effectively torpedo a candidate supported by the vast majority of Democratic voters.

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