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If "innocent until proven guilty" is merely a suggestion to you... (Original Post) luv2fly Wednesday OP
No one is entitled to political office. mr715 Wednesday #1
And, time is of the essence here. Actions must be taken quickly spooky3 Wednesday #2
We've all seen enough, time to take out the trash Blues Heron Wednesday #3
A campaign is a job interview, not a jury trial. WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #4
I'll gladly refrain from jury duty because it seems like a miserable experience. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #5
I did 8 days on a personal injury case a few years ago. BannonsLiver Wednesday #9
I'm a night owl, waking up before 9:30am is torture for me and I have panic attack issues. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #10
Yeah you'd probably hate it. BannonsLiver Wednesday #14
I've only servered once, it was in 2005 Lifeafter70 Yesterday #21
This isn't a criminal trial. Running for office is not a "right" LeftInTX Wednesday #6
Has anyone been charged with a crime? eShirl Wednesday #7
If dishonesty, poor character, bad judgment, and credible allegations of rape are in your background Quiet Em Wednesday #8
That certainly sounds like a good idea. LisaL Wednesday #11
Would it make any difference to you if everything is proven? sarisataka Wednesday #12
Platner lost me with his Nazi tattoo. yardwork Wednesday #13
Nazi ... No way, no how! 🤬 nt Raine Yesterday #22
OR Skittles Wednesday #15
Innocent until proven guilty is only required of people selected to be on a jury. No one else is required to Raftergirl Wednesday #16
Exactly. And juries decide whether people's freedom will be spooky3 Wednesday #17
It is even narrow than that - Ms. Toad 19 hrs ago #24
True. There is no presumption of innocence in a civil trial and a lesser bar of proof in a civil trial to convict, Raftergirl 18 hrs ago #25
There is no presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion. tritsofme Wednesday #18
Fuck Platner. nt LexVegas Wednesday #19
Why in the world are you still attempting to defend Graham Platner? Llewlladdwr Wednesday #20
Courts alone determine that. We merely have opinions Torchlight 19 hrs ago #23
I guess youd have been ok with OJ dating your daughter Boo1 18 hrs ago #26
I think it is more the straw that broke the camel's back Bluestocking 18 hrs ago #27

mr715

(5,053 posts)
1. No one is entitled to political office.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:42 PM
Wednesday

There is no presumption of innocence in public affairs.

spooky3

(39,064 posts)
2. And, time is of the essence here. Actions must be taken quickly
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:44 PM
Wednesday

If Dems are to have any chance of defeating Collins.

FascismIsDeath

(331 posts)
5. I'll gladly refrain from jury duty because it seems like a miserable experience.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:46 PM
Wednesday

I don't see what that has to do with anything though. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a concept that applies to courtroom trials. It doesn't apply to anything else. It doesn't mean you can't be suspicious of someone running for office and not want them representing your party because they either don't seem to live up to a basic standard of decency or they have so much baggage that they make a terrible candidate, even if they are eventually somehow vindicated later on down the road.

You thought you were making point. You in fact, were not.

BannonsLiver

(21,195 posts)
9. I did 8 days on a personal injury case a few years ago.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:55 PM
Wednesday

The lady had gone to Walgreens to get a flu shot and some other immunizations. The pharmacist injected her at an odd angle, which she claimed caused serious nerve damage in her arm. She was asking for $3 million in damages. Her attorneys were outmatched. Walgreens hired a big Dallas firm. In the end, she got $90k solely because he did not give her a form that outlined the potential side effects of the shot before administering it. If memory serves, that is an FDA requirement. The trial was interesting and my first and only experience on a jury. Several of the jurors were cool and fun to talk with on breaks. But it's not an experience I'm anxious to repeat. The worst part of it was the jury selection, which lasted hours, and I didn't care to answer a bunch of personal questions from attorneys from both sides in front of a room full of people. And listening to the other jurors answer questions was super tedious.


My wife was in a child abuse case 15 years ago that resulted in a child being removed from the custody of her parents, which was a much heavier experience.

FascismIsDeath

(331 posts)
10. I'm a night owl, waking up before 9:30am is torture for me and I have panic attack issues.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:05 PM
Wednesday

I've telecommuted for 18 years and pretty much am in charge of my own schedule as long as I'm getting my work done.

And if I have a panic attack, I need to walk to burn off the adrenaline, could take 30 minutes to an hour and then I'm exhausted once the cortisol dies down. I don't have them for any good reason either. I can be totally relaxed and have one.

But all that put together and I'd have a really rough time being on a jury.

BannonsLiver

(21,195 posts)
14. Yeah you'd probably hate it.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:17 PM
Wednesday

I don't like getting up early either, and by that time had been working from home for 4 years, so the idea of hitting the road at rush hour was not appealing. It's sort of like being in elementary school again. There's not much freedom of movement outside of break times and lunch, which at 90 minutes I found unnecessarily long. All of that would definitely not be ideal for someone who has panic issues. In fact, I could see where all of the restrictions might induce one in those prone to them. If you ever got called, I think you would almost surely be excused.

Lifeafter70

(1,300 posts)
21. I've only servered once, it was in 2005
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 12:34 AM
Yesterday

The case was for wrongful death and it broke my heart
The woman had undiagnosed breast cancer. Went to her primary doc first, who told her the lump was nothing but out of precaution sent for a mammogram. The primary doc sent the order for the wrong breast so it came back negative ( no mass found). Ended up being a very aggressive form of cancer, it took 6 months before the mistake was figured out. Primary settled for very little but radiology did not settle.
Her family lost it was 11 to 1. The jury felt it was her fault for not correcting the docs order with the radiologist. English was not her first language, she had moved to the states from the Philippines. The case was based on standard of care and whether she received it from radiologist technician. I didn't believe she did. Unfortunately I failed to convince my fellow jurors. I have had many mammograms and the radiologist has always examined my breast to locate a lump before the mammogram. This didn't happen for this woman.

Quiet Em

(3,338 posts)
8. If dishonesty, poor character, bad judgment, and credible allegations of rape are in your background
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 09:50 PM
Wednesday

please refrain from running for United States Senate. Thank you.

LisaL

(48,262 posts)
11. That certainly sounds like a good idea.
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:12 PM
Wednesday

If somebody comes to recruit you to run for Senate, just say No, if you have that many skeletons in your closet.

sarisataka

(23,228 posts)
12. Would it make any difference to you if everything is proven?
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:12 PM
Wednesday

There are many past "indiscretions" he has admitted.
Eventually the I was young excuse gets thin. Especially for things that happened only a couple years ago.

Raftergirl

(2,010 posts)
16. Innocent until proven guilty is only required of people selected to be on a jury. No one else is required to
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:22 PM
Wednesday

follow that edict outside of the jurors chosen to hear a case. Non jurors most definitely can believe someone is guilty of what they are accused of before charges are brought or a trial.

And a verdict of not guilty does not mean a person is innocent. It simply means the State did not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

spooky3

(39,064 posts)
17. Exactly. And juries decide whether people's freedom will be
Wed Jul 8, 2026, 10:26 PM
Wednesday

Taken away when sent to prison. No one (yet) is sending Platner to prison.

Ms. Toad

(38,972 posts)
24. It is even narrow than that -
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:24 PM
19 hrs ago

It applies only in criminal trials, a subset of jury trials.

Raftergirl

(2,010 posts)
25. True. There is no presumption of innocence in a civil trial and a lesser bar of proof in a civil trial to convict,
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:41 PM
18 hrs ago

A preponderance of evidence instead of beyond a reasonable doubt.

Torchlight

(7,404 posts)
23. Courts alone determine that. We merely have opinions
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 01:52 PM
19 hrs ago

about informal aspects of what we observe.

Bluestocking

(932 posts)
27. I think it is more the straw that broke the camel's back
Thu Jul 9, 2026, 02:52 PM
18 hrs ago

If this had been an isolated accusation and there wasn’t other accusations of abuse against women or the Nazi’s tattoo he may have survived this. I think this was just too much with probably more to come. We really need this Senate seat.

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