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EarlG

(22,540 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:48 PM Oct 2023

Democratic Underground will be updated to DU4 next week

The update is currently planned to take place on Wednesday October 18.

FIRST THINGS TO KNOW

  • You will not lose anything in the transition to DU4. Your posts, Journal, Bookmarks, Inbox, Subscriptions, Ignore List, Star Membership, etc. etc. etc. will be untouched.

  • If you are logged into DU when the update begins, you should remain logged in afterwards. However, we still recommend that you know know your password just in case you need to log in again.

  • This update contains no changes to the site rules or to the way the Jury system works.

WHAT TO EXPECT IF THINGS GO PERFECTLY...

On Wednesday October 18 at around 1PM ET, we will take Democratic Underground offline and update the software. This will take at least a couple of hours. If all goes well, once the update is complete we will re-open the site for all visitors.


...AND WHAT TO EXPECT IF THINGS DON'T GO PERFECTLY

It's safe to say that there are a number of things that could go wrong during the update and during the post-update phase. Possible consequences could include, but are not limited to: extended downtime beyond a couple of hours; re-opening the site and then having to close it again; a staggered re-opening (in this situation we would allow entry to Star Members first, then registered members, then unregistered visitors); downgrading the site back to DU3.

While the update is in progress, visiting any DU page will take you to an error page which contains information about the status of the update -- if there are issues, we will communicate them here.


BUT EVEN IF THINGS DO GO PERFECTLY...

Please remember that this has been a huge project and despite the lengthy development time and beta testing, there are still going to be glitches and errors which we will need to fix. We appreciate your patience while we get through the post-update phase. If you see something that looks broken, it might not be because we made some weird design choice that you don't like -- it might be because something is actually broken. Just ask if we can fix it -- there's a good chance we can.

That's all for now... if you've got any questions about the DU4 update, please feel free to ask!
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Democratic Underground will be updated to DU4 next week (Original Post) EarlG Oct 2023 OP
Thanks for all you do for us n/t hibbing Oct 2023 #1
Thank you EarlG malaise Oct 2023 #2
Looking forward to no trolls for a couple hours. KS Toronado Oct 2023 #3
A couple of hours. Iggo Oct 2023 #10
K&R n/t ms liberty Oct 2023 #4
I'm so glad to hear this great news! Thank you, my dear EarlG. ♥ nt CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2023 #5
Thanks for the heads-up! Iggo Oct 2023 #6
Exciting redqueen Oct 2023 #7
Parting is such sweet sorrow.. Yet.... SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2023 #8
Sorry, but a mid week transfer? Pas-de-Calais Oct 2023 #9
For a forum like this their convince is first priority IbogaProject Oct 2023 #11
Earl G has been doing this site for 21 years. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #19
Exactly. TomSlick Oct 2023 #51
Maybe, but maybe over the last several months, they could have determined that the 4lbs Oct 2023 #23
Agreed, Pinback Oct 2023 #34
Can't wait! AwakeAtLast Oct 2023 #12
Fantastic. Fired up and ready to go! WheelWalker Oct 2023 #13
A reminder I always share with my clients.... wysimdnwyg Oct 2023 #14
Congratulations, no matter what happens! It's a huge project! keopeli Oct 2023 #15
Not a fan of the new DU awesomerwb1 Oct 2023 #16
I have the same question, will the current DU be available? relayerbob Oct 2023 #30
The current DU will no longer be available once DU4 is up and running EarlG Oct 2023 #35
ok, thanks relayerbob Oct 2023 #41
I'm slow to change and not a fan of it either, but... Pacifist Patriot Oct 2023 #71
So EarlG bdamomma Oct 2023 #17
I tried it and the user difference didn't seem that different from the current DU. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #20
I'll be okay bdamomma Oct 2023 #21
There's a "Skinner mode" setting you'll find that will make DU4 look more highplainsdem Oct 2023 #24
Thanks highplainsdem bdamomma Oct 2023 #25
It's easy peasy.. mountain grammy Oct 2023 #46
Thanks mountain grammy bdamomma Oct 2023 #48
Cant' tell you how much I love DU. Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #18
Good luck! mikeysnot Oct 2023 #22
In my working days I was involved in many upgrades rurallib Oct 2023 #26
Acknowledged and thank you! I like the new DU4. Warm regards. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #27
Help -- Guess I better find my password. yorkster Oct 2023 #28
... orangecrush Oct 2023 #29
I'm already tired of DU4 TlalocW Oct 2023 #31
Development on DU5 starts next Thursday EarlG Oct 2023 #36
I have what I think is an important question sab390 Oct 2023 #32
The new design was created for all different kinds of devices EarlG Oct 2023 #37
Thank you for all that you do for DU, EarlG! 🥰 crickets Oct 2023 #33
thank you for taking the time onethatcares Oct 2023 #38
Thank you, Earl...it's gonna be great.nt MiHale Oct 2023 #39
Thanks for all your work making this happen. jalan48 Oct 2023 #40
DU4 beta cleared up my bunions. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2023 #42
Thank you for always making sure that DU is the best place on the internet! Dem2theMax Oct 2023 #43
Pre-thanking all of you for the upgrade ffr Oct 2023 #44
Thank you EarlG mountain grammy Oct 2023 #45
Congratulations and Thank You EarlG. A lot of hard work finally coming to fruition. Fla Dem Oct 2023 #47
Thank you! 2naSalit Oct 2023 #49
Looking forward to it! Stinky The Clown Oct 2023 #50
Not a fan of the new layout vercetti2021 Oct 2023 #52
I don't know if you tried EarlG Oct 2023 #54
Thanks for that info, Earl. I for one am partial to the current layout, and am happy to hear that. peppertree Oct 2023 #66
Good luck, EarlG (and all of us). TomSlick Oct 2023 #53
Thanks for the heads up, EarlG! Fingers crossed! Beartracks Oct 2023 #55
You guys are awesome! liberal N proud Oct 2023 #56
Thank You kacekwl Oct 2023 #57
buckle up........ Takket Oct 2023 #58
I have full faith.. raising2moredems Oct 2023 #59
Could be interesting! Aussie105 Oct 2023 #60
Keeping the site running smoothly is so important Generic Other Oct 2023 #61
Good luck and thank you so much for all of this work mahina Oct 2023 #62
The flashing notifications are optional EarlG Oct 2023 #65
This is transparency at its best Mike Niendorff Oct 2023 #63
Great! Thanks for all you do!!! CaptainTruth Oct 2023 #64
K pwb Oct 2023 #67
You and DU are my loves, my sanity duhneece Oct 2023 #68
K&R. William769 Oct 2023 #69
Personally I can't wait. I loved working in the beta versions. NNadir Oct 2023 #70
Congratulations and thanks! quaint Oct 2023 #72
Possible bug: It appears that Greek letters, which one could import from Word in DU3... NNadir Oct 2023 #73
Test NNadir Oct 2023 #75
hey eg- it's not working right for me mopinko Oct 2023 #74
A comment as a suggestion. NNadir Oct 2023 #76
GUI needs less white space more data. kyburbonkid Oct 2023 #77

Pas-de-Calais

(9,993 posts)
9. Sorry, but a mid week transfer?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:15 PM
Oct 2023

Weekends are better for these types of things

Speaking from 38 years IT experience

IbogaProject

(3,645 posts)
11. For a forum like this their convince is first priority
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:25 PM
Oct 2023

That way they have a couple of weekdays on both sides. This isn't some mission critical medical or financial infrastructure, however important it is to us individually. If this was a bar I'd want any painting or refinishing away from the end of the week. It's a similar situation with this.

Just open a bunch of tabs before the downtime and be patient that you won't be able to rec or comment during the downtime. I browse that way normally, open a bunch of tabs then work through them.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
23. Maybe, but maybe over the last several months, they could have determined that the
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 04:12 PM
Oct 2023

particular date and time was when DU was least visited.

Weekends are normally when wholesale updates are done, especially at night, off-hours, because that is how most businesses worked then.

However, an online site, that could have people visiting at any time and day, weekends could actually be one of the periods when DU is visited most.

Pinback

(12,884 posts)
34. Agreed,
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:03 PM
Oct 2023

although I have a paltry 27 years of IT experience. Planning a deployment window depends entirely on the type of business or activity. I trust EarlG and Elad to have done their homework.

wysimdnwyg

(2,256 posts)
14. A reminder I always share with my clients....
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:39 PM
Oct 2023

Software is not easy. There are more variables than even the best developers can possibly imagine, let alone account for. We do our best to place safety rails around our products, but testing in any kind of alpha or beta setting will never be able to fully replicate a production environment. Things will happen. Bugs will be found. And the bigger the changes, the more issues will be found after (or during) deployment. Please be patient, report bugs or issues, and understand that we’re all working to give you the best experience possible.

Thanks EarlG and Elad for not just keeping the lights on, but working to make DU an ever-evolving oasis of humanity and truth in a world that so often seems dominated by the angry, hateful, and gullible.

EarlG

(22,540 posts)
35. The current DU will no longer be available once DU4 is up and running
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:14 PM
Oct 2023

However, since you are a Star Member, there is an option in Account Settings on DU4 which will "re-skin" the site to make it look as close as possible to the way it does now, if that's the look you prefer.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,901 posts)
71. I'm slow to change and not a fan of it either, but...
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 07:16 AM
Oct 2023

I assume like everything else, I'll eventually get used to it. Here's to adaptability, even if we do it kicking and screaming.

bdamomma

(66,364 posts)
17. So EarlG
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:51 PM
Oct 2023

People like me haven't yet used the DU4 new system well I guess I will have to now. You will have support for those of us who may be less tech savvy. But I welcome the challenge.

Elessar Zappa

(15,887 posts)
20. I tried it and the user difference didn't seem that different from the current DU.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 04:05 PM
Oct 2023

What are you specifically having a problem with?

highplainsdem

(52,322 posts)
24. There's a "Skinner mode" setting you'll find that will make DU4 look more
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 04:13 PM
Oct 2023

like DU3.

And you'll find settings under "My Stuff" - one of two large buttons on every page. The other large button is "Navigate."

See this old thread, including the replies, for some screen shots:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/101312895

mountain grammy

(27,271 posts)
46. It's easy peasy..
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:47 PM
Oct 2023

trust me, you're gonna love it.. I'm not at all tech savvy and had no problem.. Have fun..

sab390

(201 posts)
32. I have what I think is an important question
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 04:58 PM
Oct 2023

I almost always access DU on my phone. Does this only effect the web on computers? I know I still access the site with a browser but it is a mobile edition l see.

EarlG

(22,540 posts)
37. The new design was created for all different kinds of devices
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:18 PM
Oct 2023

It has been better optimized for mobile devices and should look better on your phone than the current DU does (with the caveat, again, that some users may experience unanticipated issues after launch, but if that's the case we will work to resolve them as quickly as possible).

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,586 posts)
42. DU4 beta cleared up my bunions.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:37 PM
Oct 2023

A slight cosmetic problem I noticed was that some 'signature' lines were scrunched up (technical term of art), making them harder to read or clipping the ends off some.

ffr

(23,127 posts)
44. Pre-thanking all of you for the upgrade
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:40 PM
Oct 2023

It will only be a few hours of news blackout. We'll survive.

Good luck!

mountain grammy

(27,271 posts)
45. Thank you EarlG
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 05:42 PM
Oct 2023

as an old person I was sure it'd be hard.. but no! totally user friendly. So happy you're switching..

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
50. Looking forward to it!
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 06:29 PM
Oct 2023

psssssst, EarlG . . . . . . how about a name change window after all is up and running

EarlG

(22,540 posts)
54. I don't know if you tried
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 07:12 PM
Oct 2023

“Skinner Mode” during the beta test, but it makes DU4 look as close as possible to the current layout.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
66. Thanks for that info, Earl. I for one am partial to the current layout, and am happy to hear that.
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:25 PM
Oct 2023

Thanks for making that choice available - and above all, for everything you do.

TomSlick

(11,885 posts)
53. Good luck, EarlG (and all of us).
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 07:02 PM
Oct 2023

One of my Rules to Live By will be tested: "To err is human, to really screw things up requires a computer."

raising2moredems

(706 posts)
59. I have full faith..
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 09:53 PM
Oct 2023

that you've tested. And tested more thoroughly than my employer did during a recent "upgrade improvement".

Generic Other

(29,000 posts)
61. Keeping the site running smoothly is so important
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:48 PM
Oct 2023

Glad to hear you are making sure this place is a safe zone for us all.

I still recall that night in 2016 when it began to sink in exactly what we could expect from the Putin Puppet Party.

mahina

(18,938 posts)
62. Good luck and thank you so much for all of this work
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 06:05 AM
Oct 2023

There must be a reason for it so Mahalo for that! It sounds like an epic endeavor. One question I was wanting to ask so thanks for offering to hear them: I noticed that on do you for notifications flashed visually. Will that be remaining? I really hope not.

I think democratic underground really makes a difference. Thank you!

Aloha

EarlG

(22,540 posts)
65. The flashing notifications are optional
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:05 PM
Oct 2023

If you look in Account Settings on DU4, you can find six different notification styles to choose from. Some are animated but others are not. Hopefully you'll find one that works for you.

Mike Niendorff

(3,545 posts)
63. This is transparency at its best
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 07:51 AM
Oct 2023

Thank you for the straight-up information.

This is how a true professional prepares for an upgrade.

Nicely done.


MDN

NNadir

(34,654 posts)
70. Personally I can't wait. I loved working in the beta versions.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 11:04 AM
Oct 2023

Exponents and subscripts are back!

NNadir

(34,654 posts)
73. Possible bug: It appears that Greek letters, which one could import from Word in DU3...
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 12:02 AM
Oct 2023

...may not work.

This is how the letter "mu" which shows up correctly in the editor, looks when one posts: μ

It shows up as a question mark.

mopinko

(71,797 posts)
74. hey eg- it's not working right for me
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:44 AM
Oct 2023

i think it’s giving me the phone version on my ipad. i get 1 column, no side bars at all.
is there a setting for this?

NNadir

(34,654 posts)
76. A comment as a suggestion.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:42 AM
Oct 2023

While it is true that "Science" is a culture, I would argue that it is more of an issue.

kyburbonkid

(254 posts)
77. GUI needs less white space more data.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:28 PM
Oct 2023

Hi guys. I'm a lurker. I look at DU daily to see what the hot button issues are. Very seldom do I login and comment but the update does need an objective comment or two so here I am. First, on a small handheld phone, you are wasting too much white space for prompts, reply buttons, and junk. The old format was more info dense that fits the phone format better. 2nd, the old phone format page was far more information dense. It was easy to spot stories and discussions of interest. The new format just shows ONE! DU is NOW HARD TO READ. Sorry, but the pretty GUI needs more consideration about usability on a phone and info density presented to users.

For example, DU > Trending discussions has huge fonts for number of recs. What's up with that? Everything else is white space mostly. Definitely I like your older GUI.

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