That was funny as hell.

I always objected to the name of the thread; rather than 'post-mortem' it should have been called 'post-fortum' (post-theft).

And now, more than ever we must be united. Comrade trump and co. will try to do unlimited and unrecoverable damage to our country. We must stay together to stop them. Thank you.

Excellent rule.

So we will go to lunch, Sue will make my favorite cake, and we will plan our Keys vacation which begins on her birthday - the 22nd!

and delight.

happy happy birthday!!!

R&

will it be archived in any way to be viewable in the future?

Asking since it might be useful for future reference.

It will be saved as a read-only archive so we can go back from time-to-time and remind ourselves how pointless and annoying these arguments really were.

Maybe a forum to deal with taking the fight to Trump and the Republicans?

the Powers stand strong and that remains only a joke.

Avebury, the Postmortem Regulars are far too invested in battling each other to switch to what's happening on the right. Their choice long ago, and that's the problem of them.

We need to unite our voices in opposition to what the Republicans have planned for us. It's going to be an extremely rough four years, and much of the damage could potentially last for generations.

Choice excerpts:

We advance or die.

Rs will focus on the Ds left in our Congress & Senate and they will take them out without a lot of help.

I also wish DU was a part of the investigations (if there are any) for all the hacking done to D party. This message board was hacked and the FBI has the resources to find who did it. That persons criminal ass should be nailed to the wall by now.

This message board is the #1 ranked D party board in the world, yet it was dominated by the word trump in almost 90% of headlines and fully silenced by some republican with a hack.

The board got one letter from Sanders, (to thank for DU donations) never a contact from Clinton campaign and one primary press credential from Clinton campaign.

We also need a DU twitter forum, so we can directly connect with our D party officials and directly tweet the new president. He shouldn't be allowed a twitter platform with hardly any challenge from Ds. Twitter is free and it's a very powerful platform.

I am relieved.

But this is all open to interpretation.

What about this period of re-evaluating the Democratic party and re-examining its past directions to develop new strategies. The Clintons and their 'triangulation' idea have been very influential in the direction of the party for a couple of decades now. Obama tried his best to continue that. So I hope we can still talk about this, out of the context of the primaries of course.

I guess the question boils down to..What if I or someone else is critical of the Clintons influence, in order to help develop better directions for the party, without a past Hillary supporter alerting on an OP or post because they took it as a personal insult towards Hillary? And more important, would that post/OP be verboten?

that would be the point.
in the end it depends on the juries. if you post is newsworthy, and not just a rehash, it will likely survive.
or like your mama told you, if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all. manners, it is about manners.

i approve of being done w the navel gazing, and galvanizing for the fight ahead. the fight of our lives.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Call it navel gazing, but I hardly think it is in the best interests of moving forward a party by putting blinders on and doing the same thing over and over. That is called insanity. And to Democrats, that is called losing.

living in the past is not exactly a recipe for success, either.
holding old grudges, licking old wounds. not a fertile field either.

let it go.

I was referring to the greater history, before and after.

I was just saying that there will be a fine line drawn.
So will it be ok to look back and say, "this this and this did work, and this this and this did not work" in showing voters that the Democrats are the best option? Can we do that without mentioning any faults in positioning by certain prominent individuals? Or do we just never mention certain names ever again? i'm just wondering how this is going to work, is all.

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but from what I've observed, most prefer mythology.

If the entire focus remains on individuals, then there is no future for the party or democracy. It would be nice if people decided that issues, principles, and policy actually mattered rather than engineering everything to promote one person's career. That of course would require something beyond the Manichaean worldview that dominates politics today. From what I have seen in the campaign and in the postmortem forum since, I see no signs of a desire to change that. Determining certain people are perfect and others are sell- outs is easier than actually having to think about issues and policies in productive terms. That particular development is relatively recent, (rather its revival since societies were once dominated by kings and strongmen) and, I believe, indicative of the decline of the kind of political culture necessary to sustain democracy. That is not doing the same thing over and over again. It is making it decidedly worse.

"It would be nice if people decided that issues, principles, and policy actually mattered rather than engineering everything to promote one person's career."

There is a mythology that Reagan was one of the greatest presidents. Unless you actually look at his "accomplishments"

Just like the mythology that the Republicans are trying (but I think will fail) to cement about Obama that he was a 'disaster'.

I too want to go deeper than mythology and have an honest look at the direction that the DLC has taken the party. That may involve criticism, and in that criticism names may be mentioned. At least that's how its usually done. I'd like to think this is a place we can speak our minds even if it may be uncomfortable for some to hear, or may include a name attached to that criticism that some only want to be spoken in glowing terms.

you will be judged by a jury of your peers. if that isnt enough for you, i dont know what to say.

Now can everyone join me in quiet anger already? Damn.

Forward together. Stronger together.

A lot of really interesting things in GD go unnoticed due to all the Trump threads. Also, it would really serve as a nice reprieve when people need to take a little break from the darkness and insanity that is Trump. I know there are groups, but many of them are lucky to get a handful of posts in a month... I don't see that changing (it seems that most DUers gravitate toward GD).


P.S. The inmates escaped that prison a long time ago!

Skinner, I'm fine with the forum closing, but I am NOT fine with Donald Trump being referred to as "our" President. He will be "the" President.

Not my President. Not now. Not ever.

Am I ready to fight the Trump administration? Bring it, baby! I will give that effort my all.

we're going to live through it then.....

I never felt that about Hillary or Bernie. I just HATE the GOPee's!!!

my husband supported Hillary. We never fought over our differences. He felt strongly about Hillary and I felt strongly about Bernie. So what?

As one expert explained in short form, "the far right hates everyone else and the far left hates itself." Those on the far left are wired to focus hostility and aggression that come naturally to both on the mainstream left, leaving them with little left over for what's happening on the right.

They're easy--it's a personality thing. Bernie and Hillary are just the current focus. Most followers of both were like you and your husband, and they (and you) got along just fine because they aren't given to extremist/radical reactions.

The ones I haven't had explained to me are those here on DU who seem to have become addicted to fighting back at the far left. We are in an era where hyperpartisanship is normal, and groups are moving farther and farther toward extremism in large numbers.

if we all survive in the next 4 years. I dread it.

so that works. How ironic that we on the left are filled with the kind of anxiety usually reserved for irrational conservatives, while many of them are still beaming happily about the great "advances" they are enabling.

It will not be missed.

Regardless of where they come from.

We are either united in our fight against trump's agenda or we will all become a victim of it.

Because your candidate, whoever it might be, is immutably awful.

It was left open for a nice long time, and now everything about the election that has been said has been said.

This is the time we really need to get the 2018 vote out........starts now

a waste of time the anti Clinton and Sanders posts were. But, maybe we can move on now.

Thanks, Boss!

Starting at the top...his crooked and rich compadres who are mostly incapable of their cabinet level positions. They are falling like flies. Guess they didn't comprehend they would be, gasp, Public Servants in these roles and, another gasp, held accountable for their former acts.

Sad. LOL.

But, damn, I love you!

Thanks Skinner.

Rather than having everything dumped into GD.

We are facing a previously unimaginable monstrosity of a government without any functioning checks and balances.

It's an ugly reminder of the primary mess we had here. I'm very glad to see it go.

get together so we can put up an effective opposition to stop the Trumpsters and the evil aims of Ryan - McConnell and their wrecking crews

This makes the Bush years look simply somewhat hellish by comparison...

There is a baseline of reality we now need to accept. I'm tired of the shoulda-coulda-woulda's

There were mistakes, let's not make another one by rehashing the past. Focus on the imminent issues at hand lest they overwhelm us.

L-

So glad this rule is coming back!!!! Thank you Skinner!

We have bigger fish to fry...

Lots of propaganda debunked and I thank everyone who took the time to do the debunking. If anyone's still repeating that anti-Democratic junk and false equivalency after this year, it will be very very disappointing. I also think it's fun when the tables are turned and the usual trolls become the trollees -- they get really mad, but never seem to learn that if you do it to others, don't be surprised to get the same back. It's your game, why the shock when others play? Interesting.

We need to impeach this SOB or at least prevent him from harming the country!

beating a dead horse and all that ...

Sounds nice

It's been 18 months since he was inaugurated, right?