I like that. They must be a member of the Democratic Party or they don't get my support.

I'm getting beat up pretty bad by folks who just don't get it. I don't want someone who joins the Democratic Party just so they can run and then quits when they lose.

He's been an Independent in Vermont for a long time he never lost as a Democrat because he was an Independent. Rather than pull a Ralph Nader he runs under the Democratic nomination for President he went back as an Independent for his constituents who he has represented as an Independent for a very long time.

His voting record is among the most liberal in the Senate and he caucasus with Democrats. Joe Manchin is a registered Democrat who votes in line with the Republican party while Sanders consistently backs liberal policies.

Don't forget all the "DINO"s RUNNING AROUND OUT THERE.................

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY........

Trump is still providing his daily smoke screen for the Republican Senate to continue to shove thru stuff right and left. The predominately Republican owned mainstream Media gives little press to the daily corruption of our Democracy being done by the Republican Senators! Here is just todays sneaky crap, that has been going on continuously for years, while they are using Trump’s daily antics to divert attention from all they are doing……….

Trump would not exist for a minute if it weren’t for the Republicans in congress totally enabling him so they can pull this crap off……….and yet no press is ever given to all the Republican congress’s evil doings! If the Dems would just focus every day on talking about all of this crap being shoved thru instead of continually having their attention on Trump, maybe something would change!!!!!!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/2/21/1836599/-McConnell-ready-to-launch-mini-nuke-on-Senate-to-jam-more-nominees-through-faster#view-story

BOOM!

Just saying, the DNC needs votes in the US Senate...

What about "Pocahontas" Can you spell "Teflon Don?" aka [organized crime] and tweet online innuendo? Can you "'real'y tweet?" No revenge, just facts about obvious, documented, online and appointment to important positions (Attorney General appointments) in attempts to ...

I think that a governor is always the better choice.

but as things stand this week, the Primaries group comes just in the nick of time.

Hope it's not too heated and people can be respectful.

But I have nothing against its being there.

...I'd have found a place to put that in myself. After the last few, it might be most appropriate (though I have some innocent hope that things will remain civil this time).

Actually I asked for a separate GD politics which would have been mostly Trump, and the regular GD for, say, the fires and hurricanes, etc.

I look forward to choosing to hang around during the primaries!

Love you guys!

Thanks mods!

As to this post, I like what Skinner says about every single potential candidate being better than Trump. We just have to say NO to the circular firing squad gig...



Or the Sisyphus gig...

There's too much investment in bashing other candidates, and they just got their own pool to pee in. I will not be wading in there. Icky.

I plan to be on my best behavior!

... GD be scrubbed of post that are toxic?

thx in advance

And thanks for the option of trashing the forum if I don't feel like reading through those catfights until 2020.

As a Democratic district leader in my neck of the woods, I have more important things to work on in 2019, such as helping to consolidate and confirm the gains made in 2017 and 2018 among our candidates-now-legislators.

Seriously, that will make GD WAY easier to read!

Its a primary for crying out loud..There will be personal favs that many
will be very passionate about..A few zingers, especially at berny, will add
spice to the proceedings....

IMHO....

Review Skinner's list of candidate options.

Seems earlier than past cycles but that is warranted this time, given the person in office

I do wonder if there will be any leeway on other forums for a mention of the primaries or who is running etc...Because I think it will be damn difficult to even discuss topics without a slip once in awhile about "this candidate supports that...." or "That's why I can't support this candidate" etc... I'm just not sure how this is going to work but I'm game to try.

Without a doubt any of our candidates would be miles ahead of any Republican, even if Trump is gone and its another R. Personally, I think two or more can have a robust discussion and disagreement about a candidate, even if one of them takes it worse than the other. Sometimes I think this leads to the one feeling put upon to alert the other one. And sometimes they get enough members that share their point of view on the jury to quash the one they were debating. So hopefully this new forum will allow deeper debating.

Like I'm going in there.

Right.

While it's nice to hope it will be better this time, I'm not holding my breath.

I'm glad LBN and GD won't be cluttered with bickering over primary candidates. We can wade into that designated "mosh pit" if we feel like dancing.

Fantastic!

After a while, it would give a good look to how many people regularly post here. That's something I've always wondered.

With the idea that they will gradually sink as folks migrate to the new forum?

And I think your timing is wonderful--thanks, Guys!

Too early for me but enjoy.

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Well done, way to go, blessings on you all.

I wish you the best possible success at identifying and neutralizing GRU trolls and bots, right up through November 3rd, 2020.

gratefully,
Bright

so important news items won't be buried or not even noticed.

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Blocked those threads and had an instant drop in pulse and BP.

Should be some spirited discussions. But hopefully about issues and content, and not ugly and mean and personal.

You get things done!

And he does caucus and mostly vote with us, so that's okay.

But will the "no trashing Democrats" rule also apply to him?

I don't care either way since I won't be entering those discussions, but it's probably as well to be explicit about that, especially for the benefit of those with a quick "alert" finger.

helpfully,
Bright

Check it out.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Just sayin'...

Of COURSE everyone thoroughly reads all the Terms of Service before hitting the "alert" button in the hat of the moment, but redundancy does help with comprehension.

Also, starting a FAQ sticky now might come in useful. Other issues that appear frequently can be settled there, although it may not happen at all that someone(s) will manage to come up with ways to rattle the cage. Highly unlikely, but again, never hurts to be prepared.

busybodily,
Bright

so why wouldn't the rule apply to him, to?

If people don't like that he wasn't a Democrat between elections they can vote for another candidate. But trashing him is risky because he is still popular and could win the nomination.

It's easy enough to just post why you believe another candidate may be better positioned to beat Trump, or has views on issues that you prefer, without attacking any candidate running in the Democratic primary.

for Senatorial challenges--not to mention other down-ballot consequences. (e.g., if Hickenlooper announces for President, rather than running to challenge Corey Gardner for the Senate)

Obviously, each state's own primary will have a lot of cross-over issues.

But I reserve the right to change my mind if it is disruptive.

Will definitely make us more unified when we need it the most.

If we post to the Democratic Primary forum, are we permitted to criticize Bernie?

I think I can wait that long.

But if means the continuous barrage of "Bernie did this and Bernie did that" posts are now destined for that forum, I'm all for its being there ASAP.

srsly.
i have watched you guys wrestle w this circus all these years. i have felt you pain at the behavior of the anonymous human animal.
i share your cynicism.

but you have done a pretty good job of it from the get go, and made it better in ways that are fair, democratic, and decent.
when shit didnt work, you werent afraid to ditch it. then you kept trying.

i think this is a great shot at a better world here.

many, many thanks.

i hope our cynicism will not be rewarded.

Your criticisms will help Trump and Putin. Don't write their campaign ads for them.

We should all limit our comments to why we think a particular candidate is the strongest or best, not run down the others.

None of us have a crystal ball. Someone who is not our preferred candidate may wind up as the nominee.

All of them are far better than Trump or any other Republican (should some maverick challenge Trump).

Our strength is in unity. Now is the time to set aside past differences from the last campaign and be grateful we have so many strong, impassioned candidates out there firing up voters.

And deserve it if we are that stupid.

I like the idea of the "who I support" tag at the bottom of the posts in the Primaries forum.

Originally I was going to stay with "Undecided" but realized this could have a polling function so since I do have a preference among the names listed, I declared it. But after that preference I am undecided.

Now if you could figure out a ranked-choice logic for this ...

That'll unclutter a lot of the congestion out of the GD.

You guys ROCK

since that is the way various bad actors are messing with us.

Facebook too, though I don't see people posting from Facebook here very much.

Well reasoned and a good plan. I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. Looking forward to the New Improved DU.

P.S. Will there also be a forum dedicated to fried chicken preparation?

Plenty of time for things to happen and research to be done. Earlier this month
while doing my taxes I realized that I would be doing them again for next year
Before the Iowa Caucuses.

私たちにいい！よし！

It's getting annoying to have to scroll down every time I refresh the forum.

But thanks for the new organization. It makes lots of sense.

Maybe shift-refresh the page and see if it resets the layout.

… to the pictures in the "signature" in Chrome, but they do in Edge.

...Chrome, running in Windows 10. Thanks for the prompt response.

I think you need to reload the stylesheet. Holding the shift key and clicking the refresh button on your browser should fix it.

Until that’s an option I’m not voting.

But I'm glad it's there, and I'm sure I'll miss some good posts and information. But based on the 2016 experience - I'll just wait outside.

I've trashed several threads with over 100, 200,even 300 replies. If I want to wade in on any others like them I'll know where they are.

I will keep this page open. I’m good at a few things but technical stuff sometimes throws me.

Thanks for this, and for the ton of work, thought, attention, and care that clearly went into this.

I have a #1 choice but also handful of really close #2s that would be equally as good.

I was hoping there would be a way to indicate that.

I think there are some people here who would prefer to see that, rather than "undecided".

Not on the list.

If so then we will add him to the list so you can select him as your preference.

Always good to know your candidate's name before jumping on the bandwagon!

https://swalwell.house.gov/

So there is a post in the Barack Obama group (the BOG) that they expect that group to be closed.

Is that true? If so, why? Obama is clearly not a candidate for 2020.

Also does that mean other individual Democrats' groups - e.g. Kerry, Gore, O'Malley - will be closed as well? I realize some of these aren't getting a ton of posts lately but still don't think they should be closed due to the 2020 primaries.

Other than that I think it is a good idea, for the 2020 candidates. I'm looking forward to the "changes" that the new groups will have.

Oh and you might want to add, "May the odds be ever in your favor!"

We might change the name to distinguish it from the candidate groups.

?

She is still active and many of us go there to cheer her.

Also, the archives from the 2016 is a trove of information relevant to this cycle.

Thank you.

open, Skinner.. Thank You!

to keep the Hillary Clinton forum open, please.

and this solution helped.

I promise Skinner, EarlG, and Elad to go into this with an open mind and of course realize all are better than the current sitting duck.

is not "passed time" for the election process to begin. our presidential campaigns are already WAY too long. we need to shorten the entire process, so that our elected officials can do their jobs instead of campaigning for another office.
in many countries, campaigning is limited to several months, let the work that our elected officials do be their campaign until it is much closer to Iowa and the actual elections.
by shortening the campaigning season, it will also mean candidates will not need as much money, in essence potentially limiting the need to beg for contributions.
this would also stop people from being inundated with campaign commercials, mailings, postings, and all else that goes with campaigns that turn people into apathetic voters/nonvoters just wishing the process would be over and done with. after so long, people tune out the endless campaigning.

Obviously it's ridiculous that it's necessary to open the primaries forum a year before the Iowa Caucuses. But the primary campaign has already begun so DU needs a primaries forum.

We go into it making sure it is not undermined by the RNC, WIKILEAKS, The FBI, and the Russians. We can not survive another four years of another Right Wing idiot in OUR White House.

And skip the GDP part for like you said toxic behavior.

I have a top 4 at the moment Sanders, Warren, Harris, or Gillibrand.

I like the Sanders & also visit the Warren forum I hope it stays open until the new forums open up. I'm worried about changes to the candidate forums.

For example, if I find an interesting story about Peter Buttigieg, will it be OK to post on the Indiana Group?

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Here are a few examples in LBN that violate your rules, unless I'm missing something. If there are new rules, please post them so that we don't waste our time calling out violations (( PS: restricting Democratic Primaries posting to Democratic Primaries or candidate support groups seems like a wonderful wonderful rule )) Thank you.

The Latest: Sanders wins Democratic primary in California https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440956
Biden defeats Warren in her home state of Massachusetts https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440953
The Latest: Sanders wins Democratic primary in Utah https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440948
Biden defeats Sanders in Minnesota Super Tuesday race https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440945
The Latest: Biden wins Democratic primary in Arkansas https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440933
Super Tuesday tally: Biden wins 5 states, Sanders takes 2 https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142440923