The pig loves the shit too much and that's all we will hear if they do get on stage together - a tsf shouting and mean, fascist, lying fest.

If Biden was up 20+ points, he probably could get away with it but the damage of not debating is likely worse optics for Biden than debating, even if it turns into a shit-show.

But my guess is that Biden's campaign is risking an actual debate knowing Trump very well may not commit or that an agreement can't be reached and therefore, Biden's team can blame Trump for ducking it.

Right now, it sounds like a Biden's team has gotten CNN to agree with a debate next month.

The ball is now in Trump's court.

No pun intended lol

Even if he agrees, you know damn well he will NOT follow the terms. If his podium is close enough to Biden's, he'll just continue to shout, even though his mic is turned off and it will still be nothing but a shit show and magats would love it! The only way this will work is if they are widely separated so Biden will not be so flustered by the constant stream of steaming shit, as anyone sane would be.

I thought they always did a poor job at organizing debates.

Just the way it's framed sounds bad. "Biden refuses debate hosted by nonpartisan commision".

It's a shame that everyone ganged up on the League of Wonan Voters who had been running the debates with no problems.

I forget the exact circumstances, but wasn't it that both parties disliked not having control, and the broadcast services smelled money?

But, in general, I am opposed to the modern debates. They are just dueling press conferences. I would like to see a Lincoln-Douglas format where one candidate spoke for an hour, then the other candidate spoke for an hour, and they just asked each other questions back and forth without any moderator. Yes, I know, that would be impossible with today's attention spans.

I mean, the Sunday political chat shows don't exactly have a great reputation for meaningful discussion these days. And the NYT is full of it. There's a danger they will structure it to provide controversy (good for their business) rather than an objective display of the 2 men.

Right now, the debates are just dueling press conferences. However, I would like to see the campaigns take more control instead of just being ordered around by the commission.

It wasn't dueling press conferences, it was Trump grandstanding the entire time with interruptions every time Biden spoke.

with “Will you shut up, man?” Most memorable line of the night, much more than Trump's mindless chatter, which stopped for a moment. It reminded people of what beautiful silence sounded like, and what it might be like to not have a bully in the bully pulpit.

Biden debated in the Senate for decades. He has a much better record to run on than the Manchurian Cantaloupe. He will be fine.

He can handle Trump.

But Trump unchecked, like he was in 2020, ruined that debate and turned a lot of people off. I don't think many blamed Biden but the disgust wasn't just tied to Trump, either.

My only issue is that 2024 is a much more divisive election it seems. Neither candidate is as popular as they were four years ago (and it's not like Trump was all that popular then, either) and the optics of a 2020-style debate again might turn off voters who are already wishing there were different nominees.

Like I said, Biden can brawl but that 2020 debate was exhausting and to do it again might just make voters more disgusted with the options - and we need those reluctant voters to vote Biden instead of RFK Jr. or another third party.

So, Biden's proposed rules seem reasonable but the idea that there should be few limits on how these candidates debate is just not practical with Trump.

If we were talking a sane opponent, I'd love to see a back and forth instead of canned answers but we're not and can't expect that with Trump.

instead it seems to have devolved into sound bites so that future newscasts can cherry pick 'highlights' to stuff between commercials. I wonder if some podcasters could do better.

...I want them to talk about Medicare For All and boosting the financial and benefit base of Social Security and Medicare...

...what are the chances of that...?

...instead we'll get non-stop media spam and the usual 24/7 king magat up-chucks with his fascist party pissing themselves because he's not in jail...

...totally irrelevant, meaningless and useless to my daily existence ...

...but for joy, rapture, we get to do 2020 all over again...

...

They weren’t exactly nonpartisan there! I wouldn’t trust them……

were horrific........Allowing Trump to continue talking, to constantly be talking over the Dem, and following Hillary around the stage was beyond despicable.......She missed a good one when he was doing that......she should have turned to the moderator and said would you please order Trump to quit "stalking" me around the stage......

I would love a debate where the microphone is turned off when it is not the person's turn. Period. And shut off their microphone the moment their time is up..............

Any mistakes in June debates are recoverable by November. September also. Clearly avoiding last minute October surprise is a prime consideration. We all remember 1980. Without the final debate a week before, Dems probably could have kept 20 House seats and maybe a Senate seat or two.

I think they're betting Trump won't be available in June, or will be very tarnished by his court cases and perhaps convictions.

Count me in the camp for no debates this year. Trump is too volatile and unstable, you never know what hatred he will bring.

1) "October Surprise"
There is evidence to support the claim that Reagan Campaign Manager William Casey met secretly with Iranian officials to ask that the hostages not be released until after the election, so Reagan, and not President Jimmy Carter, wouldn't get credit for their release.

2) "Debate-gate" or "Briefing-gate"
There are those who allege that William Casey had Donald Gregg, a CIA agent who was detailed by the CIA to the National Security Council, (and may have had access to the White House), steal President Carter's Briefing Papers (while Carter was out of town) for his 2nd debate with Reagan.
Casey allegedly made copies of the Carter Briefing Papers and gave them to George Will, who used them to
"coach" Reagan before the 2nd Presidential Debate.
Remember, Reagan did poorly in his first debate with Carter. He mumbled and stumbled and didn't seem to know much.
Carter clearly "won" that first debate.
However, in the 2nd Presidential Debate, after being coached by George Will, Reagan knew what Jimmy Carter was going to say beforehand, because of the stolen WH Briefing Papers.
["Well, there you go again."]
Reagan did very well in that 2nd debate & went on to defeat President Carter in November, 1980.

as the moderator. Good move by President Biden.

All the news we see about Biden is not good. I don't think the voters grasp the seriousness of a trump second term.

You must be missing my LBN OPs then.

It's quite the opposite of what you have "seen".

what I see the voters see. What are LBN Ops?

and guaranteed there are quite a few resources being thrown there, including ads, etc.

MI, which the pundits CONTINUE to ignore when it came to the 2020 results, flipped MI back to blue by a margin of over 154,000 votes vs the less than 11,000 vote difference in 2016. Your state has taken back the governor and legislature.

And LBN = "Late Breaking News" which is a forum where news items get posted - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1014 (it has a stricter criteria to post versus General Discussion).

has turned Blue and that makes us happy here. However we have a pretty good amount of Muslims/Arab citizens here (I live nesxt to Dearborn.) and they are not happy with Biden. A lot of young folks here are not happy either. If they don't vote or vote 3rd party we are screwed. They post anti Biden stuff. Like I said I don't think many understand the gravity of a trump second term. BTW my family on my mother's side came to PA from Ireland in the 1860s.

(used to supervise folks there) and saw that Arab community even there.

However your state is not just folks there. It's all those folks up and down the state including all the way up to the Upper Peninsula.

And by golly, do NOT count out these folks -

Vote Depressing one.

You are the Best!!

November 2002. But I know what how much worse they've gotten.. if possible.

I only Do DU.. We have Standards!

TY!

The 12:00 PM noon news telecasts are popular in Pittsburgh. President Biden's TV ads criticize 45 for his role in overturning Roe. On the other side, 45's ads accuse the President of being insensitive to the effects of inflation on the middle class.

but in the evening (drive-time and beyond), they have been running Biden & Casey ads on MSNBC here in Philly. I expect they are also running them on the OTA stations as well (they certainly have amassed enough $$$ to do that)!

Haven't seen any 45 or McCormick ads yet although every once in awhile, there will be some oil company PAC ad or tech PAC ad that makes insinuations against Biden.

The spokesperson in the ad introduced himself as a West Point classmate of McCormick. Of course, there was no mention that McCormick is not really a Pennsylvanian, nor was there any mention that he is a multi-millionaire hedge fund operator.

like the 9 home(s)/mansions (including a principal NJ mansion), were to Oz!

It would be nice to see them enshrined in the Constitution.

Should *not* be optional.

They were rallies full of supporters ready to cheer or boo. And the moderator allowed Trump to talk during Biden's time.

I'm glad they took the responsibility away from the Commission.

1. No live audience. No Maga sycophants to disrupt.
2. Automatic cutoff of audio if over time limit. I can't wait to see this happen.

That eliminates interruptions and shouting over each other. Trump wanted a big stadium crowd but I believe there will be no audience. Great. Otherwise he will turn it into a circus.

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Dark Brandon strikes again.

Let's see 2 politicians go after each other with everything they got, let voters see who can think on their feet
under pressure. Let's see the lack of knowledge stable geniuses enjoy.

And one bailiff to cut the mikes off when their time has expired.

Yes, a real debate. Listening to candidates regurgitating talking points is not a debate.

I submitted a question to one of these debates in 2020 and it was ignored.

I asked about Trump's campaign promise to repeal ACA and its impact on millions of Americans.

In a way, it does not matter; Trump will lie anyway.

Is there a point in debating a pathological liar.

should do or not do something, he does the opposite of what I think and shows me why he is the president and I'm not. I have totally come to trust that he knows best about what to do.

What debate in modern history was ever before September?

(whether "in person" or mail), the timing of the first would occur before that early voting for the general election started (and in this case, it would be just after the last of the primaries and before the conventions).

The 2nd debate would be happening just as some states would start "early voting".

TY!

I get it, early voting and all. But why not September 1st? June is insane. I think there are other reasons.

It's scheduled for September 10th and hosted by ABC.

https://abc.com/news/6abdd5ab-5cdc-48c2-8184-8be2f1a532c1/category/1138628

... And ask him "do you pick your feet in Poughkeepsie?"

An article years ago talked of monitoring the debaters' physiological signs; breath rate, pulse, temp, sweating, eye movement and such and displaying them on a screen with instantly changing dials for all to see.

And make them visible to each speaker. Think of the entertainment value of them trying to control the readings.

with "reaction" plotting.

Article about the 2012 VP debate - https://phys.org/news/2012-10-debate-reactions-real.html