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BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 05:09 PM Jul 2024

Special counsel to appeal ruling dismissing Trump's documents case

Source: The Hill

07/15/24 5:48 PM ET


Special Counsel Jack Smith will appeal a federal judge’s ruling earlier on Monday dismissing former President Trump’s classified documents indictment, according to Smith’s spokesman.

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon ruled that Smith was not lawfully appointed, ordering that Trump’s charges be dismissed.

“The dismissal of the case deviates from the uniform conclusion of all previous courts to have considered the issue that the Attorney General is statutorily authorized to appoint a Special Counsel,” Peter Carr, spokesman for Smith’s office, said in a statement. “The Justice Department has authorized the Special Counsel to appeal the court’s order,” he continued.

Smith’s appeal will first go to a three-judge panel on the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, though the issue could ultimately end up before the Supreme Court.

Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4773788-special-counsel-to-appeal-ruling-dismissing-trumps-documents-case/

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Special counsel to appeal ruling dismissing Trump's documents case (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 OP
TY & Jack Smith!💙🇺🇸🕊️ Cha Jul 2024 #1
Andrew Weissmann was just on NIcole Wallace's Deadline Whitehouse. He said an alternate approach to iluvtennis Jul 2024 #2
I wondered if they could just cross out SPECIAL and move on C_U_L8R Jul 2024 #3
The U.S. Attorneys are Senate-confirmed positions BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #4
Thanks for clarifying @BumRushDaShow - much appreciated. n/t iluvtennis Jul 2024 #5
No problem! BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #6
Thank you...you're a wealth of knowledge. n/t iluvtennis Jul 2024 #8
Except that Weiss soandso Jul 2024 #11
But Hur would have been unlawful, yes? Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #14
No. He was designated as a "Special Counsel" by Garland BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #17
All prior evidence? krkaufman Jul 2024 #15
If it ultimately winds up at the Supreme Court.... FoggyLake Jul 2024 #7
They are going to have to decide BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #10
Here's Adam Klasfeld's write-up on Just Security. ancianita Jul 2024 #9
At the very least, IMO, Loose Cannon has now guaranteed this will not be settled before the election groundloop Jul 2024 #12
This Is Baffling DallasNE Jul 2024 #13
Not an attorney either. Scruffy1 Jul 2024 #16
And more delays ! Delays do work. republianmushroom Jul 2024 #18
Great to hear this. ificandream Jul 2024 #19
Ask for her recusal as well, please. Novara Jul 2024 #20

iluvtennis

(20,747 posts)
2. Andrew Weissmann was just on NIcole Wallace's Deadline Whitehouse. He said an alternate approach to
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 05:21 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Mon Jul 15, 2024, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)

handle the "technicality" on which Cannon dismissed the case is for Jack SMith to be hired at a US Attorney office and *boom*, the case continues without the appeals process. Weissmann said the hiring as a US attorney could happen in a few days.

Maybe Smith will do both paths concurrently.

But I still want the appeal to 11th Circuit so that they can overturn Cannon for a 3rd time and dismiss her ass.

BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
4. The U.S. Attorneys are Senate-confirmed positions
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jul 2024

I guess maybe he is talking about converting him to be an Assistant U.S. Attorney but this whole thing is idiotic because regardless of her cherry-picked "this only applies to this jurisdiction nonsense", guaranteed that a whole pile of people who were charged by Special Counsels everywhere else are going to wake up and sue for the same reason - which should include Hunter Biden.

BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
6. No problem!
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:44 PM
Jul 2024

There are 93 of them and Biden is STILL trying to get the remaining ones nominated and confirmed.

This is the current U.S. Attorney (Markenzy Lapointe) for that jurisdiction (Southern District of Florida) - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/meet-us-attorney



Info on that office - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl

Geographic area -



(Cannon's court is in Ft. Pierce)

soandso

(829 posts)
11. Except that Weiss
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:29 PM
Jul 2024

Is a US atty for Delaware, isn't he? In his case, "special" was broaden his jurisdiction, I think, but he was already confirmed as a US atty.

Prairie Gates

(2,664 posts)
14. But Hur would have been unlawful, yes?
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:23 PM
Jul 2024

He was confirmed by the Senate as a US Attorney, but his term ended before his Special Counsel Appointment. Same would go for Mueller, also confirmed as a US Attorney in 1998, but his term ended in 2003, almost 15 years before his appointment as Special Counsel.

I really enjoy this argument that seeks to admit Weiss while denying Smith.

BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
17. No. He was designated as a "Special Counsel" by Garland
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 08:42 AM
Jul 2024

while transitioning out of his U.S. Attorney position. I.e., Biden kept him on as U.S. Attorney from 45's administration rather than tell him to turn in his resignation (so it wouldn't look "political" ), and then Garland appointed him SC to further keep him "independent".

https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss

krkaufman

(13,691 posts)
15. All prior evidence?
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 01:13 AM
Jul 2024

I expect a problem with that would be all the evidence gathered previously, at least any collected under the umbrella of the special counsel effort, being thrown out.

Just have to hope the judicial branch revolts against the obvious partisanship.

BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
10. They are going to have to decide
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:13 PM
Jul 2024

because despite her claim that it only applies in her jurisdiction, it will open up a whole can of worms for anyone who has been involved with a case involving a Special Counsel who would demand to be treated the same.

ancianita

(38,102 posts)
9. Here's Adam Klasfeld's write-up on Just Security.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:51 PM
Jul 2024
https://www.justsecurity.org/97747/trump-docs-case-dismissed/
...Cannon’s rulings since Trump’s indictment in the documents case left little room to hand prosecutors an appealable issue and seek her removal — until now.

“Prior to this decision, I thought it was unlikely that he would do so,” Seligman said, referring to the odds that Smith would seek to remove Cannon from the case during an 11th Circuit appeal. “He’s decided, presumably as a strategic matter, that that was not warranted yet, and I think that this decision may change that calculus.”

Attorney Josh Blackman, who argued in support of Trump’s challenge to the special prosecutor, praised what he described as Cannon’s “serious, thoughtful, careful opinion” in a phone interview.

Appellate Risks and Rewards

Smith can appeal the dismissal back to the 11th Circuit, where his team prevailed before Trump was indicted, or he can try to leapfrog the appeal directly to the Supreme Court, which prosecutors unsuccessfully tried to do to expedite Trump’s immunity appeal in his case alleging interference in the 2020 presidential election. In the immunity case, the Supreme Court waited for the D.C. Circuit to weigh in before taking up the case, and handing Trump a sweeping victory on the last day of their term.

If affirmed on appeal, the logic of Cannon’s ruling arguably could leave other Justice Department officials vulnerable, such as the Justice Department’s lead attorney handling Supreme Court arguments (the principal deputy solicitor general) and those that help supervise the agency’s various divisions (known as deputy assistant attorneys general).

“This decision, if it’s allowed to stand, would call into question the lawfulness of something like a dozen or more very important officials within the Department of Justice, and so I think that there’s a very strong institutional interest in having this decision reversed on the merits,” Seligman, a fellow at the Constitutional Law Center at Stanford Law School, said.


U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is presiding over Trump’s election interference case, is not bound by Cannon’s ruling, but she is bound by the D.C. Circuit precedent contradicting it. Should Trump press his challenge of Smith’s appointment in Chutkan’s court, there would be no place left to go but the Supreme Court.

Especially in the wake of the Supreme Court’s immunity decision, any order affirming Cannon’s ruling would make criminal accountability for former presidents all the more elusive.

“If this ruling stands, it will become very hard to appoint quasi-independent special counsels to investigate an incumbent administration,” Blackman, who argued in Trump’s support, noted in a phone interview....

DallasNE

(7,546 posts)
13. This Is Baffling
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:17 PM
Jul 2024

First, I am not an attorney so I speak from logic.

Cannon said the dismissal is not based on the merits of the case, yet, because of double jeopardy a dismissal means the case cannot be brought up again to test the merits. It seems then that dismissal is the wrong tool so why would she not declare a mistrial instead to permit the technicalities to be fixed and then retry the case?
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She is apparently basing the single application use on Bush v Gore yet that case says specifically it cannot be used in other future cases (I probably didn't say this right for the point I am attempting to make).

Separation of Powers is pretty murky in its own right. There was recently a member of the Executive Department that was issued a Congressional subpoena that they refused to honor so they were sued, found guilty, and is currently serving a prison sentence. Separation of Powers was invoked and rejected. Sen. Melendez is presently on trial for corruption. So it is not Separation of Powers, per se, but office held and potential conflict of interest to overcome and the Special Counsel is the remedy for that.

Scruffy1

(3,417 posts)
16. Not an attorney either.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 02:52 AM
Jul 2024

But double jeopardy only applies to trials and the trial hasn't happened yet. With the current Supremes the law is meaningless.

republianmushroom

(17,229 posts)
18. And more delays ! Delays do work.
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 11:01 AM
Jul 2024

Last edited Tue Jul 16, 2024, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Not to political ? Sure hope not, but, one never knows.

42 months and counting (including foot dragging)

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