Personally I would go to the public lands away from the cities, but most of these have never been out of a city, they wouldn’t survive. How will they survive if they aren’t allowed to be somewhere?

many are living like this becsuse they want the "lifestyle". They refuse assistance.

they wanna do what they wanna do. Sometimes that means drugs and alcohol, sometimes that means no taking medication for mental issues. Hell, I have bipolar 2 and would be screwed without my meds. That said, some can't afford medication and/or don't have the insurance for said meds. I acknowledge that aspect and it's a helluva problem because many homeless people are battling mental illness:

"According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, 31% of homeless people reported having a serious mental illness on a given night in 2023. Other studies have estimated that up to one-third of homeless people have a mental illness, and a 2021 meta-analysis estimated that 76.2% of homeless people have a current mental disorder."

The city goes out to a camp. They post a notice that they will be cleaning the camp. There are resources posted on the notice.
People take their junk if they want to keep it. They can also seek assistance. There might be a resource person on hand to speak with them before they leave. They leave. The camp gets cleaned. They seek resources or return back to the camp after it's cleaned. There are certain laws the cities need to follow and this one of them.

not to sound Trumpish but there's gotta be some law and order. We visited Portland, Oregon a year ago and were blown away by the homeless camps just...everywhere and it is a continual issue. Not just an eyesore but unsafe for all involved IMO

for that and most have done absolutely nothing.

What he is doing now is lighting a fire under their ass to start doing something. They have the funding.

It won’t happen immediately l, but the cities better do what they were elected to do.

There’s an extreme lack of affordable housing, mental health services, etc. This clearance mandate will end up killing people.

FWIW:
"Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 43 (Eggman, D-Stockton) on June 17, 2024, updating California’s conservatorship laws for the first time in over 50 years. The law expands the definition of those eligible for conservatorship to include individuals who are unable to provide for their personal safety or necessary medical care due to severe substance use disorder or serious mental health illnesses.

Involuntary Treatment
Newsom signed legislation in October 2023, loosening rules around involuntary treatment under the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. This change allows for more individuals with severe mental illnesses to be placed in treatment facilities against their will, with the goal of increasing access to care and reducing homelessness.

CARE Courts
Newsom signed Assembly Bill 136 (CARE Court) into law on June 17, 2024, establishing a new court-based program for individuals with severe mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia. CARE Courts aim to provide a more streamlined and effective approach to getting individuals the treatment they need, while also addressing homelessness and public safety concerns."

How about an initiative for universal housing instead of eviction from public land?

It’s not easy issue to solve, for sure. But it’s not just poverty itself. Many have mental health issues or drug addiction and don’t want to go into offered housing. They like their freedoms. As for housing, Rental protections were eased a decade ago in LA and that has also led to the working poor or those with ailments with little options once the building sells and the new owner get the building below market rate….then kicks out long term rent controlled tenants with a pay out.

But letting the inhoused have so many rights has infringed on so many other’s rights and it’s reaching a boiling point that is losing the support of otherwise sympathetic neighbors.

It’s not just tent encampments, which are a problem, it’s also the broken down RV’s which are actually exploitation because many are rented and very unregulated. But they park all over in clusters so they are also encampments.

We need a comprehensive approach because along the LA river is federal land so they will go there if the state can’t touch them that is a huge trash issue for the sensitive river.

This seems cruel, but the encampments are health hazards, leads to nasty hoarding of junk and trash, and has led to fires—lots of fires which is not good in California when home insurance is at risk. Encampments also stifles economic development, and is not fair to residents and businesses near them. Taking over parks so the public can’t use them safely is not fair and affects all the other things I mentioned.

So housing must be built and mental facilities and street teams need to be roving counseling outreach. Jailing them isn’t a working option so taking their crap that is building up has to be a first step. (Seriously, the hoarding trash is unbelievable.)

I was much more sympathetic to their plight and the “where do they go” issue which is very real. But letting them have free access to public areas including sidewalks only let the problem get worse, especially those who refuse housing and want the freedoms of public infrastructure that they claim for themselves. It’s NOT WORKING so take out the incentive and see if it wears them down to accept help. But we have to ensure the help is there.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." We all have "free access to public areas." Of course.

This is a social problem, not an individual character flaw. The resources for solving the problem are woefully inadequate. That is a political issue.

This article explains why people who are homeless don't accept help:

This Is Why Homeless People Don't Go to Shelters

and the problem is only going to get worse as the cost of housing continues to skyrocket.

They want to choose this “lifestyle” and not go to shelters bc they don’t want to give up their addictions. This is not okay. I’m glad Newsome is finally doing something about this.

A LOT of homeless people refuse assistance and don’t want to go to shelters because they’re not allowed to use drugs or alcohol there

Where exactly would you suggest the unfortunate folks go.

Heartless FN Court. Newsome's hands were tied.

Gov. Newsom filed an amicus brief with the court asking for the decision they gave. His hands were not tied. He wanted the decision.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-175/280288/20230922163648635_Amicus%20Brief%20for%20Governor%20Newsom%20-%20Grants%20Pass_Final.pdf

That ruled against homlessness? i felt all govs. hands were being tied.

But the court's decision applies to all of the U.S. Newsom wanted the ability to get rid of homeless camps in cities in CA so he asked the court to rule as it ultimately did.

I'm not sure that Gov. Newsome is on their side of this. WTH are people supposed to do? I DO NOT agree with this court.

And after the decision he said:

Governor Newsom statement on Supreme Court’s homeless encampments decision

SACRAMENTO — Governor Gavin Newsom issued the following statement after a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of City of Grants Pass v. Johnson:

“Today’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court provides state and local officials the definitive authority to implement and enforce policies to clear unsafe encampments from our streets. This decision removes the legal ambiguities that have tied the hands of local officials for years and limited their ability to deliver on common-sense measures to protect the safety and well-being of our communities."

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/06/28/governor-newsom-statement-on-supreme-courts-homeless-encampments-decision/

He absolutely supported the decision.

I will just leave it at that.

Better give 'em a ticket for that too.

Can't sleep outside, but can't afford an "inside" to sleep in. How very Kafka-esque and just plain fucked up.

They will just end up back under the freeways and anywhere else they can find.

They are along the river, take over parks, overwhelm any area with trash.

Looking the other way is making it worse and allowing the drug addicts and mentally ill to refuse help because of their rights over everyone else’s that allows them to live how they want with no rules (like treatment).

Everyone agrees that we need to build more housing, but where that ends up getting built is always the problem Because no one wants it in their neighborhood. So what happens is the richer areas that are more vocal don’t take any of this burden on, so it ends up overburdening other areas that then aren’t able to have more economic opportunity come in to their community because of the stigma of keeping certain kinds of demographics siloed in an area.

Developers are getting so much money and then they do really bad shotty work so the oversight has to definitely change.

since this is the governor's order affecting lots of different cities. It's dirty to just raze the encampments without giving people a place to go.

I know, taxpayers don't want to fund it. But if they can't be on the streets/vacant lots/wherever, what else is there to do? Get drug treatment places, mental health facilities, affordable housing. Keep it decent, keep it safe. Have it within commute distance of food, healthcare, recreation.

I know there are probably people who prefer to be on the streets, but somehow we must step up and help people have a chance for a decent life. Nothing fancy needed, decent, basic housing and assistance.

Against their will is tricky business.

Some Dickensian Victorian bullshit.

Pretty despicable. Where the fuck are these people supposed to go? It’s not California has affordable housing all over the place. You do know entire families are living out of their cars, right? You also know that they often don’t let families stay together in shelters, right?

Really, the solution is more public housing, but NIMBY liberals won’t allow that.

Are there no workhouses?

Long overdue. Where will they go? Shelter, treatment, housing, rehab, jail or mental health facility. They cannot continue living in unhealthy squalor trashing public parks and rights-of-way. Their trash and waste endanger citizens, as do the petty thefts, violent crimes and the enormous burden on police and fire. We must not allow the US to sink into a third world public cesspool. Pay for it with an 'obscene wealth' tax.