Vance argued for higher tax rate on childless Americans in 2021 interview
Source: ABC News
July 26, 2024, 5:05 AM
As former President Donald Trump's new running mate, JD Vance, faces renewed scrutiny over his previous comments criticizing childless individuals, an unearthed 2021 interview shows the Ohio senator advocating for higher taxes on Americans without children. The comments came in a 2021 episode of The Charlie Kirk Show podcast, where Kirk, the CEO of the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, was discussing how Republicans could shift public perception of certain conservative ideas from "unthinkable" to accepted policy.
"So JD ... what are you going to do to change this conversation? Everything we have to do should be about moving ideas from unthinkable, to sensible, to popular, to policy," said Kirk, according to a video of the interview obtained by ABC News.
In response, Vance, who at the time had not yet officially launched his 2022 Senate campaign, suggested that the country needed to "reward the things that we think are good" and "punish the things that we think are bad" -- before suggesting that individuals without children should be taxed at a higher rate than those with children.
"So, you talk about tax policy, let's tax the things that are bad and not tax the things that are good," Vance said in the interview, which is no longer public on Kirk's channel. "If you are making $100,000, $400,000 a year and you've got three kids, you should pay a different, lower tax rate than if you are making the same amount of money and you don't have any kids. It's that simple."
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/vance-argued-higher-tax-rate-childless-americans-2021/story?id=112284318
Last I saw, there was a separate IRS "filing status" called "SINGLE" that has a higher tax rate than any other category.
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tulipsandroses
(5,763 posts)Good Grief
While not a higher rate, you will pay less if you have kids vs someone without.
BumRushDaShow
(137,091 posts)If those children are DEPENDENTS (and there are OTHERS who qualify in the household as a "dependent" ), then that will also factor into further claims for deductions, and reduction of one's taxes, outside of that child tax credit.
Brenda
(1,285 posts)who should be "punished" and forced to pay more taxes and not have the same voting rights as people with kids!
Kamala needs to bring this up in interviews. This insane, extremist idea will not even be popular with normal R's.
Clearly Chump didn't vet this guy very well.
On edit: as previous poster said - a tax credit for kids exists, so childless people ALREADY pay more in taxes.
no_hypocrisy
(47,934 posts)Yeah, right.
We may not have children and have to spend our income on raising them, but unmarried individuals don't have the advantage of a combined income with a partner more times than not. We need to work longer to get a down payment and to qualify for mortgages, pay home insurance, property taxes, repair and maintenance of our homes.
We have no advantage over married-with-children folks.
twodogsbarking
(11,502 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,241 posts)on TFG's shoulder.
mdbl
(5,150 posts)Sad to say.
IronLionZion
(46,572 posts)and for college savings funds and so on.
quaint
(3,141 posts)kiddie parks, taxes to offset parental deductions for child care, private schools, etc.
Devilsun
(222 posts)2naSalit
(90,505 posts)That having children would be a life of impoverished misery due to not having reliable partner or livable wages. That's why I have no children, I raised six who weren't mine by birth but I knew if I had any that they would have a shitty upbringing because I could not provide a reasonable lifestyle. It's been all I could do to take care of myself in this lopsided society. A few more years and I can fall off the planet, problem solved.
I have always felt that I don't belong here, anywhere, so I have resigned myself to looking forward to when I can finally go back to wherever I came from.
AllyCat
(16,738 posts)Brenda
(1,285 posts)I feel the same way! Remembering that helps me get through the anger, shock and depression regarding so many things in this world, especially with our beautiful planet being made uninhabitable for most life on it by beings who seem to be far worse than greedy selfish people but quite alien.
2naSalit
(90,505 posts)Now that I'm officially old, approaching 70 in (For some reason the rest of my paragraph didn't load, weird)
So we can't get off the planet with our physical forms and that's all there is to it. If energy can only transform rather than dissipate, it's our physical forms that we will have to shed in order to carry on. I think that everyone who has been here, on this planet, was someone when they came here and when they departed, they are still in existence somewhere in a different form of energy.
I'm having a weird morning, got up at 2am and did some serious vomiting and have been recovering since. Not feeling all that bad, I must have eaten something that didn't agree with my stomach. This also happens when I mistakenly eat something that has some kind of mint in it that I can't immediately detect. I'm seriously allergic to mint. It feels like one of those events.
Brenda
(1,285 posts)Never heard of a mint allergy but our bodies detect all kinds of "hidden" things I've discovered as I age.
Frankly, I have no idea what will happen to my energy/consciousness when I kick the bucket. All I know is that I'm going to be somewhere other than this fuckin' violent psycho planet.
Hope you feel better soon.
Now I'm just hungry and trying to decide what will go with my toast.
Too bad religion has everybody thinking that this is the only place and that leaving is bad, somehow.
quaint
(3,141 posts)And here, you belong.
MotownPgh
(246 posts)Great description. I was always fascinated by those redund checks for MORE than the recipient paid. It was child tax credits.
I have not once in my life, received a refund check.
MotownPgh
(246 posts)Great description. I was always fascinated by those refund checks for MORE than the recipient paid in. It was child tax credits.
I have not once in my life, received a refund check.
jmowreader
(51,083 posts)Married Filing Jointly and Head of Household (single parents) filers have a bigger standard deduction than Single (childless unmarried people) filers do. Trump got rid of the personal deduction in his tax cut, but the Child Tax Credit, which requires you have kids, and the Earned Income Tax Credit, which essentially requires you to have kids, still exist. So...what Vance wants already exists, unless what he wants is to increase the number of tax brackets from seven to, say, ten, and say "if you have children your first taxable dollar will be taxed at 10 percent, but if you don't it will be taxed at 24 percent."
Which, naturally, would lead to the end of the Republican Party.
erodriguez
(698 posts)JD Vance aka Captain Caveman
BumRushDaShow
(137,091 posts)That's an insult to Cavey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hotler
(11,771 posts)70sEraVet
(3,903 posts)"reward the things that we think are good" and "punish the things that we think are bad" (emphasis mine)
Using the IRS as a weapon to bring about your vision of an ideal society? Seems like Vance was the perfect, fascist pick (or 'prick').
BumRushDaShow
(137,091 posts)70sEraVet
(3,903 posts)MotownPgh
(246 posts)people who choose to have children get tax breaks.
AllyCat
(16,738 posts)Ocelot II
(119,038 posts)What about deductions for dependents? We sad, husbandless, childless cat ladies don't get any of those things, so we do pay an effectively higher tax rate. And we pay local taxes to support schools for the children we don't have.
Happy Hoosier
(8,038 posts)He'll start with tax penalties and end with birthing camps.