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BumRushDaShow

(137,638 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2024, 07:01 AM Aug 29

Susan Hogarth is suing North Carolina over a ballot selfie the state says was illegal

Source: Scripps News

Posted 9:02 PM, Aug 28, 2024


How can taking a selfie get you accused of a misdemeanor? In March, Susan Hogarth voted in the North Carolina primary and took a selfie with her completed ballot. The following week, she got a letter from state election officials letting her know that she broke the law.

North Carolina is one of 14 states that bans ballot selfies. In that state the act is considered a misdemeanor but comes with the potential penalty of 120 days in jail and a fine.

Now, Susan Hogarth is fighting back. She just filed a lawsuit claiming the state violated her First Amendment rights. Hogarth and her attorney Daniel Ortner spoke to Scripps News on Wednesday about the case.

"It wasn't against the rules, it was against the law," Hogarth said. "And bad laws need to be broken by people who want to see them changed. I wasn't hurting anyone. I was just expressing my enthusiasm for my candidates and my political party. I also wanted to challenge the law because I know that it's wrong." "I wanted to call them out a little bit."

Read more: https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/america-votes/susan-hogarth-is-suing-north-carolina-over-a-ballot-selfie-the-state-says-was-illegal

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Susan Hogarth is suing North Carolina over a ballot selfie the state says was illegal (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 29 OP
I wonder if her political leanings had anything to do with this? OldBaldy1701E Aug 29 #1
These laws have been around for awhile Abnredleg Aug 29 #2
Why do you think it "needs to go"? Are you saying no one would ever try to buy votes now? muriel_volestrangler Aug 30 #7
Everyone has cameras all the time Abnredleg Aug 30 #8
Yeah, so they don't ban phones. So that's not something you need to worry about. muriel_volestrangler Aug 30 #9
Agreed. Or worse: want to keep your job? Show me your ballot voting for trump. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 30 #12
What she did is illegal, at least in Pa. gab13by13 Aug 29 #3
Of note... littlemissmartypants Aug 29 #4
She'll get right on all those other idiot laws as soon as she's elected. I'm sure, right? mucholderthandirt Aug 30 #5
i sure as hell am taking a selfie with my ballot.....its all mail in samnsara Aug 30 #6
Remove the "selfie" aspect melm00se Aug 30 #10
They have to put the law in place Zoomie1986 Aug 30 #11
This should be illegal everywhere jmowreader Aug 31 #13

OldBaldy1701E

(5,782 posts)
1. I wonder if her political leanings had anything to do with this?
Thu Aug 29, 2024, 07:12 AM
Aug 29

I did not see any reference to it. But, I bet it had something to do with it. Since the NC General Assembly is super red... I find this a bit suspicious.

Abnredleg

(720 posts)
2. These laws have been around for awhile
Thu Aug 29, 2024, 07:14 AM
Aug 29

And were created to ensure votes aren’t being purchased. A dated relic that needs to go.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,065 posts)
7. Why do you think it "needs to go"? Are you saying no one would ever try to buy votes now?
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 08:33 AM
Aug 30

Surely you don't think the human race has suddenly become completely honest and trustworthy.

What is the "need" to show people who you voted for?

Abnredleg

(720 posts)
8. Everyone has cameras all the time
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 08:38 AM
Aug 30

So short of banning phones there is no way to ban cameras in the booth. Someone who actually sold their vote isn’t going to broadcast it to the world so posting a photo of your ballot is highly unlikely to be evidence of a crime. Selfies are part of life for younger voters and this is going to keep happening.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,065 posts)
9. Yeah, so they don't ban phones. So that's not something you need to worry about.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 08:47 AM
Aug 30

But you haven't addressed the need you claim for the law to go. Buying votes is still a potential problem. If they sent the photo privately it'd be a problem, and if they do it publicly, it would be too. Doing something in public doesn't stop it being a crime. "Selfies are part of life" is not a reason for binning a law that has a purpose. This is not about selfies; it's about photographic evidence about how you voted, and that's not "part of life". "This is going to keep happening" is something you can say about all sorts of illegal activity, and is not a reason to bin a law.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,582 posts)
12. Agreed. Or worse: want to keep your job? Show me your ballot voting for trump.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 09:01 PM
Aug 30

I can’t believe this has to be explained.

littlemissmartypants

(23,676 posts)
4. Of note...
Thu Aug 29, 2024, 07:46 AM
Aug 29

She is a North Carolina state senate candidate and a self proclaimed Libertarian activist.

There's nothing that supercedes the free advertising this creates for Ms. Hogarth.

mucholderthandirt

(780 posts)
5. She'll get right on all those other idiot laws as soon as she's elected. I'm sure, right?
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:33 AM
Aug 30

Because she really has no right to break the law and then use it to run for office, like Republicans do. I guess the Libertarians are getting jealous, so they need their own convict running for office.

Bunch of maroons. Bunch of MORANs.

samnsara

(18,081 posts)
6. i sure as hell am taking a selfie with my ballot.....its all mail in
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 07:39 AM
Aug 30

.....and im not stupid enuff to post the photo.

melm00se

(5,041 posts)
10. Remove the "selfie" aspect
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 09:22 AM
Aug 30

and ask:

Would you be comfortable with someone in a polling place taking pictures?

How about if the pictures were taken by self-described and self-appointed "poll watchers"?

The issue is not as cut and dried as some would make it seem.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
11. They have to put the law in place
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:59 PM
Aug 30

Because all of you asshats who think everyone wants pictures of your every fart and butt scratch don't have the sense to keep OTHER VOTERS out of your vanity frame. You're not the only voter in a polling place, you know.

jmowreader

(51,120 posts)
13. This should be illegal everywhere
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:05 PM
Aug 31

Imagine that a Republican was trying to buy votes - paying a voter $100, say, to vote for Trump. No one wants to pay someone $100 if they can't prove a vote for Trump was cast, so the bought voter takes a ballot selfie and texts it to the person trying to buy the vote.

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