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BumRushDaShow

(140,913 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:02 PM Aug 30

Elon Musk says voting by mail is 'insane' -- but he has done it himself, records show

Source: NBC News

Aug. 30, 2024, 9:00 AM EDT / Updated Aug. 30, 2024, 11:45 AM EDT


Elon Musk has attacked voting by mail as an “insane” idea that encourages election fraud, but he voted by mail twice when he lived in California, according to records of his voting history obtained by NBC News.

Musk voted by mail in November 2016, the year Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, and in the November 2018 midterm election, the records show. Musk’s primary residence was in Los Angeles at the time.

The state records show that Musk had a sparse history of voting in California. During the 18 years he was eligible to vote there, he cast ballots in only those two elections. He became eligible to vote when he became a U.S. citizen in 2002 and cast his first ballot 14 years later, at age 45. He was actively registered to vote by August 2006, the records show.

Among the elections Musk skipped were presidential races in which Barack Obama, John McCain and Mitt Romney were on the ballot, all primary elections and all local elections. California has an open primary system in which all registered voters are allowed to participate. This is the first time Musk’s California voting records have been made public.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musks-voting-record-shows-voted-mail-california-rcna168854

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Elon Musk says voting by mail is 'insane' -- but he has done it himself, records show (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 30 OP
What a nonsense story. Thinking a government policy is insane doesn't mean you shouldn't use it if it benefits you. thesquanderer Aug 30 #1
It's just pointing out he's a hypocrite, that's all OnDoutside Aug 30 #3
While he may be a hypocrite for other reasons, I would not say he's a hypocrite here, that's the point. thesquanderer Aug 30 #6
So it is insane but he does it. So he is insane then? travelingthrulife Aug 31 #35
I think that the larger point is that... skypilot Aug 30 #18
It's insane for the govt to offer it; but since they do, it's very sensible for an individual to use it. thesquanderer Aug 30 #20
Why is it insane... skypilot Aug 30 #21
re: "Why is it insane for the government to offer it?" -- As I said, that's Musk's perspective. Not mine. thesquanderer Aug 31 #32
Bottom line: skypilot Aug 31 #36
Musk doesn't have a perspective except to rile up his moron followers. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 31 #37
I'm not defending his *position*. I'm saying the "hypocrisy" argument against him in the OP is nonsense. thesquanderer Aug 31 #38
Lol Lanius Aug 31 #40
DId you not understand my post? thesquanderer Aug 31 #43
In other news: musky is still an opportunist piece of shit. That is all nt Javaman Aug 30 #2
+1 Yep, that's pretty much all there is to say about that megalomaniac. Dave Bowman Aug 31 #26
What's insane is the media constantly hanging on every word moniss Aug 30 #4
How's the car business doing? See you lost money again and your worried about people voting........... turbinetree Aug 30 #5
Everything Musty thinks, does, and says is an expression of hypocritical narcissism, just like his cult leader magaturd. Comfortably_Numb Aug 30 #7
He's working directly with Russian agitprop I guess wolfie001 Aug 30 #8
Not surprising, just another republican, do as I say not as I do. republianmushroom Aug 30 #9
Why should anyone care about anything Elon Musk says. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 30 #10
My sentiments exactly n/t. airplaneman Aug 30 #16
"He should stick to making cars and rockets." Dave Bowman Aug 31 #27
Re: Lanius Aug 31 #41
Yes, he has! Pretty sure he mailed the ballot. LeftInTX Aug 30 #11
Muskrat thinks democracy ITSELF is insane peppertree Aug 30 #12
So expect a lawsuit to try to disqualify all mail in ballots bucolic_frolic Aug 30 #13
Elon Mblaze Aug 30 #15
Lol, that's good. Dave Bowman Aug 31 #28
We've been voting by mail since 1983 Mblaze Aug 30 #14
Yes that's exactly the strategy FakeNoose Aug 30 #17
will somebody on here please tell me where i have to vote at a fixed place . i am disabled . dont drive , AllaN01Bear Aug 30 #19
Are you registered to vote in California? FakeNoose Aug 31 #34
yeppers . thank goodness. AllaN01Bear Aug 31 #39
Voting by mail is the best idea ever. valleyrogue Aug 30 #22
Elon Musk having the right to vote is insane relayerbob Aug 30 #23
Biden should use his new SCOTUS powers Roy Rolling Aug 31 #25
Sounds good relayerbob Aug 31 #42
Presidents & past presidents and most of Congress post on Twitter womanofthehills Aug 31 #45
WTF? Roy Rolling Aug 31 #24
We're coming for you, Elon. Basso8vb Aug 31 #29
Insane person claims his prior actions were insane. Voltaire2 Aug 31 #30
Hope Eloon keeps spewing this same BS about voting by mail Bengus81 Aug 31 #31
So don't vote dipshit.. twodogsbarking Aug 31 #33
Translation: "I'm a proud member of the party of vacuous shrieking noises" struggle4progress Aug 31 #44
Elon Musk says voting by mail is insane. He voted by mail. Ergo... Martin68 Aug 31 #46
Trump did the same thing in 2020. He said voting by mail was corrupt then tweeted to his supporters to vote by mail. progressoid Aug 31 #47
Sez the guy that got all the money to by Xitter from Russian oligarchs Petr Aven and Vadim Moshkovich. pecosbob Sep 1 #48
Didn't he pretty much say likewise about working from home? Montauk6 Sep 1 #49
Really Elon? ck4829 Sep 2 #50
Voting by mail is the best! I wish all states allowed automatic voting by mail option for all residents. AlexSFCA Sep 2 #51

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
1. What a nonsense story. Thinking a government policy is insane doesn't mean you shouldn't use it if it benefits you.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:17 PM
Aug 30

I think some tax deductions are insane. But I'll still take them if I can.

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
6. While he may be a hypocrite for other reasons, I would not say he's a hypocrite here, that's the point.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:51 PM
Aug 30

Someone may think the home mortgage deduction is unfair and should be abolished. But I do not think that means they are a hypocrite if they take advantage of it.

skypilot

(8,912 posts)
18. I think that the larger point is that...
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 09:57 PM
Aug 30

...he had the option to vote in the less "insane" way for all the years he was eligible and yet by mail is the way he chose on the two occasions he deigned to vote at all. Going to an actual polling site could have "benefitted" him as well but for some reason he didn't bother.

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
20. It's insane for the govt to offer it; but since they do, it's very sensible for an individual to use it.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 10:06 PM
Aug 30

I think that's the Musk perspective here, and it is reasonable... not hypocritical or contradictory. It's certainly possible for someone to think that, as a matter of policy, the government shouldn't do something because of certain downsides, but that doesn't mean that it can't be beneficial for some individuals. He decided it was more beneficial for him to vote by mail than to vote in person, probably because he values his time very highly. The fact that he doesn't think the govt should permit it because it (supposedly) also facilitates fraud is not relevant to his decision about whether or not to avail himself of the convenience that is being offered, even if he'd rather it wasn't, and would gladly sacrifice the convenience if it meant nobody could do it.

Though now that you've made me defend him, I have to shower.

skypilot

(8,912 posts)
21. Why is it insane...
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 10:16 PM
Aug 30

... for the government to offer it? If voting that way is as susceptible to fraud as Musk and Trump and all of their followers would like us to believe then I think that would have been proven by now. And I still say that he has always had the option to vote in person if he is so distrusting of voting by mail. We all value our time.

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
32. re: "Why is it insane for the government to offer it?" -- As I said, that's Musk's perspective. Not mine.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 06:41 AM
Aug 31

I couldn't find a way to fit that text AND that context into the subject line, so you had to actually read the post to see that part. (I do NOT believe it is insane to offer it.)

And I still say that he has always had the option to vote in person if he is so distrusting of voting by mail.

Again, I think you're missing the point. He's not distrustful of Elon Musk voting by mail. He's distrustful about allowing OTHER people to vote by mail... i.e. including people who--in HIS eyes--may not be as ethical as he is (uh huh) and may find ways to abuse it. So he'd like it stopped, even if it meant he would no longer be able to do it himself.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,676 posts)
37. Musk doesn't have a perspective except to rile up his moron followers.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 09:04 AM
Aug 31

His one word descriptions are lazy and do nothing but sow dissension.

Wow

Crazy

Interesting

Disturbing

All he is doing is platforming negative ideas to his moron minions. Why are you defending him when he can’t even be bothered to make an actual argument?

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
38. I'm not defending his *position*. I'm saying the "hypocrisy" argument against him in the OP is nonsense.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 09:57 AM
Aug 31

There are plenty of legit negatives about Musk, I see no need to resort to making up fake ones.

Lanius

(629 posts)
40. Lol
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:25 AM
Aug 31
I'm not defending his *position*. I'm saying the "hypocrisy" argument against him in the OP is nonsense.


Oh, ok. 🙄

thesquanderer

(12,293 posts)
43. DId you not understand my post?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:15 PM
Aug 31

Musk has a position against mail-in voting, I'm not defending that position. But I don't think it's hypocrisy to mail in your vote even if you think mail-in voting is bad policy. Any more than I bought into the criticisms that Al Gore was a hypocrite for campaigning against climate change while not living in a yurt.

Like I said, there are plenty of legit negatives about Musk, I see no need to resort to making up fake ones.

turbinetree

(25,223 posts)
5. How's the car business doing? See you lost money again and your worried about people voting...........
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 06:42 PM
Aug 30

what did your family say about voting in South Africa during Apartheid ...............just asking ...............did they stand up and say that everyone had a right to vote.................

Comfortably_Numb

(4,079 posts)
7. Everything Musty thinks, does, and says is an expression of hypocritical narcissism, just like his cult leader magaturd.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 07:09 PM
Aug 30

wolfie001

(3,511 posts)
8. He's working directly with Russian agitprop I guess
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 07:14 PM
Aug 30

Everything he says would be part of a pootin playbook. I'll bet he keeps in touch with Andrew Tate as well.

Lanius

(629 posts)
41. Re:
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:30 AM
Aug 31
Why should anyone care about anything Elon Musk says.


Many Americans (or at least the American media) attribute divine status to billionaires. They made so much money that they must be special or a genius or whatever, right? That means we have to hang on to their every word. Someone who made a ton of money creating and selling tech companies must know all about politics or science, right?

bucolic_frolic

(46,561 posts)
13. So expect a lawsuit to try to disqualify all mail in ballots
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 08:47 PM
Aug 30

Eloon can't keep his mouth shut. For the little he says he has loose lips than Trump.

Mblaze

(373 posts)
14. We've been voting by mail since 1983
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 09:09 PM
Aug 30

In WA St. without any problems. We've had recounts in close races, again no problem. Republicans want to cast doubt on the entire democratic system so they can game it more easily.

AllaN01Bear

(22,913 posts)
19. will somebody on here please tell me where i have to vote at a fixed place . i am disabled . dont drive ,
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 09:58 PM
Aug 30

the busses are unreliabe . so fourth. i live close enogh for my health care worker to take me to tuolumne county elections office . many places are far flung so vote by mail makes sense . rs put vbm (vote by mail) years ago to get around democrats , but , like everything the rs touch. it blows up.

valleyrogue

(873 posts)
22. Voting by mail is the best idea ever.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 11:51 PM
Aug 30

Oregon has had it for over 20 years, and it has been a huge success. Who would EVER want to go back to in-person voting or electronic voting after having the convenience of voting at home, going over the voter's pamphlet and picking whoever the voting person wants or voting on an issue.

ALL states should have vote by mail, not just absentee voting. There is no evidence at all that voting by mail inherently benefits Democrats, and that is the biggest objection Republican politicians have to it.

relayerbob

(6,958 posts)
23. Elon Musk having the right to vote is insane
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 11:59 PM
Aug 30

From what his brother has said, he did not enter the US legally.

Roy Rolling

(7,158 posts)
25. Biden should use his new SCOTUS powers
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 03:18 AM
Aug 31

Nationalize Space-X and Twitter, sever all contractual ties with any of Elmo’s financial interests.

Let the courts sort it all out in a dragged-out judicial proceeding that could take ten years.

If we’re lucky.

relayerbob

(6,958 posts)
42. Sounds good
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 11:32 AM
Aug 31

Except Twitter, just shut it the fuck down. As bad as it was before, it's a toxic dump of right wing crazy now.

womanofthehills

(9,178 posts)
45. Presidents & past presidents and most of Congress post on Twitter
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:55 PM
Aug 31

Top drs from all over the world, top immunologists - you can follow all the Long Covid research being done
at Mount Sinai- Yale from their researchers, you can connect with your favorite authors - it’s endless. Actually- more college educated people are on Twitter - so more Dems.

On Sept 7, the people of Brazil will be out protesting new law - $10,000 fine for one Twitter post. You think Americans will go for a Twitter shutdown when a third of Americans are on Twitter and many make a living off it. Also, this 3rd is mostly under 50. I think Dems staying off Twitter is a big mistake as we can be big influencers of the young.

Roy Rolling

(7,158 posts)
24. WTF?
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 03:15 AM
Aug 31

When the Slobfather slithers off the front page of every news outlet will he now be replaced by Elmo?

Who the fvck cares what Elmo says or does, commercial media better not serve up another anti-hero and glorify him just to sell advertising and political propaganda money.

Bengus81

(7,332 posts)
31. Hope Eloon keeps spewing this same BS about voting by mail
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 06:41 AM
Aug 31

It won't stop any Dems from voting that way but it will stop Republicans. That's why Trump knew he was DONE at 2am in 2020 when Biden was leading and mail in ballots hadn't been counted.

progressoid

(50,687 posts)
47. Trump did the same thing in 2020. He said voting by mail was corrupt then tweeted to his supporters to vote by mail.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 05:21 PM
Aug 31

pecosbob

(7,902 posts)
48. Sez the guy that got all the money to by Xitter from Russian oligarchs Petr Aven and Vadim Moshkovich.
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 11:56 AM
Sep 1

Of course, he sued to keep their identities secret, and lost.

AlexSFCA

(6,257 posts)
51. Voting by mail is the best! I wish all states allowed automatic voting by mail option for all residents.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:26 PM
Sep 2

and automatic voter registration. Each state should ensure that voting as easily accessible as possible and as many people choose to vote as possible. More people voting leads to less division and better overall happiness.

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