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BumRushDaShow

(140,915 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:01 PM Sep 2

2020 election deniers ordered to pay $1 million in Pennsylvania voting machine dispute

Source: CNN Politics

Published 12:56 PM EDT, Mon September 2, 2024


CNN — A Pennsylvania judge has determined that three 2020 election deniers must pay nearly $1 million in fees as the result of a years-long legal dispute with state officials over voting equipment used during the last presidential race, according to recent court filings.

Recommendations from the judge, who was appointed to serve as a special master overseeing the case, attach a dollar figure to sanctions previously imposed by the state’s Supreme Court against two Republican county commissioners and their attorney for allowing an outside firm to examine voting equipment after the 2020 election – despite a court order prohibiting them to do so, according to the new filings.

The case, which dates back to 2021, involves actions taken by two Fulton County, Pennsylvania, commissioners – Stuart Ulsh and Randy Bunch – who sought to have Dominion voting equipment examined by a third-party after the 2020 election. Many of former President Donald Trump’s allies falsely blamed Dominion’s software for his election defeat.

Thomas Carroll, an attorney who also served as a pro-Trump fake elector in 2020, was also sanctioned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court for his conduct and – along with the county and the county commissioners – “shall be jointly and severally responsible” for paying nearly $1 million in fees to cover the Pennsylvania Secretary of State’s legal bills, according to the special master’s latest report. The state Supreme Court will ultimately use the special master recommendations in awarding fees and costs resulting from the case.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/02/politics/election-deniers-pennsylvania-voting-machine-dispute/index.html



This case has been going on literally forever, with this county, literally one of the smallest in population in the state, that voted 80% for 45, attempting to tamper with their Dominion Voting Systems machines. I.e., they had Wake TSI-related (the fraudster company that AZ got slimed by) contractors come in to "audit", were told to stand down, and then ignored the court 2 more times to have others come in and attempt to access their machines. The state decertified their machines and forced them to pay to rent new ones. And it just went on and on in court with sanctions and whatnot.
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2020 election deniers ordered to pay $1 million in Pennsylvania voting machine dispute (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2 OP
"Just a crummy $1 million? Ha ha. We can afford to do it again." - G.O.P. BoRaGard Sep 2 #1
County commissioners in a hick county sure ain't rich Mysterian Sep 2 #3
Some rich rightwinger will cover it. Think. Again. Sep 2 #5
Guess there's more Russian dark web crypto money where that came from? Initech Sep 2 #19
I'm sure Trump will step up to the plate and pay it. Vinca Sep 2 #2
Fuck around --- 3Hotdogs Sep 2 #4
They should have to pay for the new (uncompromised) machines also. Think. Again. Sep 2 #6
That was already ordered 3 years ago BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #9
Yes, and the 3 election deniers who caused the original machines to be compromised.... Think. Again. Sep 2 #14
I don't think they ever bought the machines in that County BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #17
The voting machines were brand-new and now they need to be replaced FakeNoose Sep 2 #7
"Why should the state have to pay to replace new machines that Ulsh and Bunch destroyed?" BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #10
I believe FakeNoose is saying the criminal election deniers should pay for the new machines. Think. Again. Sep 2 #15
Right, I'm saying they took on the cost when they did this fuckery 4 years ago FakeNoose Sep 2 #16
They are in their own bubbleworld BumRushDaShow Sep 2 #18
give them 10 days to pay moonshinegnomie Sep 2 #8
Freedom is just another word for a third of a mil left to lose? ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2 #12
Then start charging them 20% interest MichMan Sep 3 #22
No problem, Donald Trump will cover it. Turbineguy Sep 2 #11
This is a cautionary tale BaronChocula Sep 2 #13
Drain those MAGA pockets. They'll think before oasis Sep 3 #20
Dr. Evil W T F Sep 3 #21
If you are ever driving through Fulton County don't stop. twodogsbarking Sep 3 #23
Fulton County is poor and rural Deminpenn Sep 3 #24
Million here The Bopper Sep 3 #25

Initech

(101,570 posts)
19. Guess there's more Russian dark web crypto money where that came from?
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 11:01 PM
Sep 2

No wonder the MAGA dude bros are suddenly into crypto

BumRushDaShow

(140,915 posts)
9. That was already ordered 3 years ago
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:26 PM
Sep 2
Pennsylvania decertifies county’s voting system after ‘audit’


By Associated Press Marc Levy and Mark Scolforo July 21, 2021


Pennsylvania’s top election official has decertified the voting machines of a small southern county that disclosed that it had agreed to requests by local Republican lawmakers and allowed a software firm to inspect the machines as part of an “audit” after the 2020 presidential election.

The action by Acting Secretary of State Veronica Degraffenreid almost certainly means that Fulton County will have to buy new voting machines or, as it did in the May primary election, lease new ones.

Degraffenreid notified Fulton County officials in a letter Wednesday that the inspection by a firm with “no knowledge or expertise in election technology” violated state law.

“I have no other choice but to decertify the use of Fulton County’s leased Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5A voting system last used in the November 2020 election,” Degraffenreid wrote.

(snip)


They had to use their own County funds to lease new machines for the 2022 election.

Think. Again.

(17,207 posts)
14. Yes, and the 3 election deniers who caused the original machines to be compromised....
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:30 PM
Sep 2

... through their illegal action of having the machines "audited" should have to pay for the leased machines and the purchase of replacements, in addition to $1 million in legal fees.

BumRushDaShow

(140,915 posts)
17. I don't think they ever bought the machines in that County
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 07:51 PM
Sep 2

IIRC, they leased them.

Here in Philly, we use a different type of machine and I think we may have bought ours (and there are a lot - they store them in a warehouse).

And good luck with having them actually "pay" personally. The County supported that nonsense and that is who will probably pay.

FakeNoose

(35,386 posts)
7. The voting machines were brand-new and now they need to be replaced
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 02:39 PM
Sep 2

Why should the state have to pay to replace new machines that Ulsh and Bunch destroyed?

Besides that, it was known in advance that this replacement cost must be met, if they followed through and sent the machines out to be "audited" in 2020. They went ahead and did it anyway. FAFO now it's time to pay up, assholes!

BumRushDaShow

(140,915 posts)
10. "Why should the state have to pay to replace new machines that Ulsh and Bunch destroyed?"
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:36 PM
Sep 2

The state isn't.

The County already had to lease new machines 3 years ago in order to have them for the 2022 election since their compromised machines were decertified back in 2021.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3300212

Think. Again.

(17,207 posts)
15. I believe FakeNoose is saying the criminal election deniers should pay for the new machines.
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:32 PM
Sep 2

Edit to add:

And I agree with FakeNoose on that.

FakeNoose

(35,386 posts)
16. Right, I'm saying they took on the cost when they did this fuckery 4 years ago
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 07:22 PM
Sep 2

I'm shocked that they're still arguing over this. They never had a shred of evidence.

BumRushDaShow

(140,915 posts)
18. They are in their own bubbleworld
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 08:09 PM
Sep 2

and obviously didn't "get the memo". We are watching Ghouliani go bankrupt and the Kracken lawyers pleading guilty for this crap while they are fighting tooth and nail to be "relevant".

Unfortunately I blame the courts here too (I have been following this for the past 3 years) as it was taking forever to get hearings scheduled and sanctions imposed, etc.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,167 posts)
12. Freedom is just another word for a third of a mil left to lose?
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:46 PM
Sep 2

Apologies to Kris Kristofferson. These mooks in these kinds of jobs already have nice houses and bank accounts. Time to pay up or forfeit property, choads.

BaronChocula

(2,482 posts)
13. This is a cautionary tale
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 05:04 PM
Sep 2

to the future magafasci election deniers who think we're still in the era of jim crow and that their "affiliation" gives them free reign.

We will see to it that they are ruined financially and legally if they pull any stunts this November. To them we say please try it. You won't like it.

Let's get the word out.

Deminpenn

(16,156 posts)
24. Fulton County is poor and rural
Tue Sep 3, 2024, 07:34 AM
Sep 3

I doubt either of the 2 commissioners or the lawyer have 6 figures amounts laying around in bank or investment accounts.
It should be noted that the judgement is "joint and severaly" meaning that if one (or more) party can't pay or can't pay much, the remaining parties are responsible for paying the remaining balance of the judgement.

These jabronis already cost Fulton County taxpapers money when their voting machines were decertified and they had to lease/buy new ones.

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