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Look them up and don't be surprised if yours was one too. The designation is no longer accurate.

I wouldn't put it past him to do this if he thought of it, but I don't think this is a thing.

That were openly racist. You couldn’t sell or rent to blacks.

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But yeah, black folk pretty much have been suspect "after dark" everywhere - at least "defacto".

But there were some cities and towns that did it "dejure" and basically made it known "publicly", including by actual "ordinance", and that is why it can't be dismissed as "well everyone did it" because some actually had laws on the books.

saying "well everyone did it"? Because I am certainly not.

The question we are discussing -the subject of your OP - is whether tsf is deliberately choosing sundown towns for his rallies.

My opinion is that this is unlikely. That's what I was saying when I said I don't think that's a thing.

You appear to think I am dismissing the widespread history of sundown towns or the existence of redlining. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I was unclear. That's not what I am saying. And I don't think anyone on DU is unaware that black people are often "suspect after dark" or that there were laws in many places that legalized and codified racism.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/9/2/2267326/-Trump-s-Sundown-Town-habit-may-not-be-what-it-appears

My comment was more along the lines of noting the problem of where black folks are "allowed" to be (and when) and "not allowed" to be (and when), really hasn't changed.

But with respect to 45's rally site selections - I am also disagreeing with suggestions that he doesn't do this type of "symbolic" thing. Whether it is done "all the time, every time" is obviously a matter of debate and not borne out by the facts.

But with his being a master of dog whistles his entire adult life (going back to his 1973 NYC housing discrimination suit), I only note that his doing something like that would be par for his course, and shouldn't be waved away so easily.

I.e., like his remarks calling voters in majority-minority urban areas "riggers" (as a "sound-alike" to the "n-word" ), he code-talks and code-acts to capture the hearts of his racist base.

on the part of the one we regard as a moron and on the part of his following, also regarded as morons.

Sort of too intricate and subtle a dog whistle for all those but experts in the topic.

to look up the history of his locations to see which were once sundown towns.

As you say, he's just not that subtle.

For what's worth, I lived in three of these sundown towns. My grandparents also lived in one. It looks like every suburb of Milwaukee is on this list! Also, Middleton is a pretty hip place!

Also, there was not much of a black population in WI outside of Milwaukee. Also, many of these towns (South Milwaukee) had a sizeable immigrant population. An uncle by marriage was born and raised in South Milwaukee and they weren't white. "

FWIW, WI has alot more sundown towns than TX. And Texas sundown towns were mostly tiny places or exclusive places.

Abbotsford
Adams
Algoma
Alma
Altoona
Amery
Antigo
Appleton
Arcadia
Ashland
Augusta
Baldwin
Baraboo
Barron
Barton
Bayside
Beaver Dam
Berlin
Black River Falls
Bloomer
Boscobel
Brillion
Brodhead
Brookfield
Brown Deer
Burlington
Butler
Campbellsport
Cassville
Cedar Grove
Cedarburg
Chetek
Chilton
Chippewa Falls
Clinton
Clintonville
Colby
Columbus
Combined Locks
Cornell
Cottage Grove
Cottage Grove (town)
Crandon
Cross Plains
Cuba City
Cudahy
Cumberland
Darlington
De Forest
De Pere
Delafield
Delavan Lake
Denmark
Dodgeville
Durand
Eagle River
East Troy
Eau Claire
Edgerton
Elkhorn
Ellsworth
Elm Grove
Elroy
Evansville
Fennimore
Fond du Lac
Fontana on Geneva Lake
Fort Atkinson
Galesville
Genoa City
Gillett
Glendale
Grafton
Grand Rapids
Green Bay
Greendale
Greenfield
Greenwood
Hales Corners
Hartford
Hartland
Hayward
Hillsboro
Horicon
Hortonville
Howard
Hudson
Hurley
Janesville
Jefferson
Juneau
Kaukauna
Kewaskum
Kewaunee
Kiel
Kimberly
Kohler
La Crosse
Ladysmith
Lake Geneva
Lake Mills
Lancaster
Lannon
Little Chute
Lodi
Loyal
Manawa
Manitowoc
Maple Bluff
Marathon
Marinette
Marion
Markesan
Marshfield
Mauston
Mayville
Mazomanie
McFarland
Medford
Mellen
Menasha
Menomonee Falls
Menomonie
Mequon
Merrill
Middleton
Milton
Mineral Point
Mondovi
Monona
Monroe
Montello
Montreal
Mosinee
Mount Horeb
Mukwonago
Muskego
Neenah
Neillsville
Nekoosa
New Berlin
New Glarus
New Holstein
New Lisbon
New London
New Richmond
Niagara
North Fond du Lac
North Hudson
Oconomowoc
Oconto
Oconto Falls
Okauchee Lake
Omro
Onalaska
Oostburg
Oregon
Oshkosh
Osseo
Owen
Palmyra (town)
Palmyra (village)
Pardeeville
Park Falls
Peshtigo
Pewaukee
Phillips
Platteville
Plymouth
Port Edwards
Port Washington
Portage
Poynette
Prairie du Chien
Prairie du Sac
Prescott
Princeton
Pulaski
Randolph
Reedsburg
Rhinelander
Rice Lake
Richland Center
Ripon
River Falls
River Hills
Rothschild
Sauk City
Saukville
Schofield
Seymour
Sharon
Shawano
Sheboygan
Sheboygan Falls
Shell Lake
Shorewood
Shullsburg
Silver Lake
Slinger
South Milwaukee
Sparta
Spooner
Spring Green
St. Croix Falls
St. Francis
Stanley
Stevens Point
Stoughton
Stratford
Sturgeon Bay
Sturtevant
Sun Prairie
Sussex
Thiensville
Thorp
Tomah
Tomahawk
Twin Lakes
Two Rivers
Union Grove
Verona
Viroqua
Walworth
Washburn
Waterford
Waterloo
Watertown
Waunakee
Waupaca
Wausau
Wautoma
Wauwatosa
West Allis
West Bend
West Milwaukee
West Salem
Westby *
Weston
Weyauwega
Whitefish Bay
Whitehall
Whitewater
Whiting
Williams Bay
Wind Lake
Winneconne
Wisconsin Dells
Wisconsin Rapids

(It includes New York City, Rochester, Yonkers, Buffalo and all of Westchester County, and the author says he includes some unsubstantiated information and some towns that were not sundown towns but were included in his list of sundown towns for other reasons, whatever that means. So I really question this guy's information, but it seems to be the source in most discussions about this.)
Amherst
Attica
Belle Terre
Bennington
Brighton
Bronxville
Buffalo *
Chazy
Cohoes *
Cold Spring
Cooperstown
Copiague
Cove Neck
Delmar
Elmont
Floral Park
Garden City
Glen Head
Glens Falls *
Green Island
Hamburg
Irondequoit
Johnsburg
Johnson City
Levittown
Mexico
Miller Place
New York *
North Amityville *
North Tonawanda
Nunda
Oceanside
Orchard Park
Pelham Manor
Penfield
Pleasantville
Rochester *
Roosevelt
Roscoe
Saratoga Springs
Sayville
Scarsdale
Sea Cliff
Seaford
Smithtown
Tonawanda
Tuxedo Park
Valley Stream
Voorheesville
West Elmira
Westchester County
Whitesboro
Yaphank
Yonkers

Here's the link: https://justice.tougaloo.edu/sundown-towns/using-the-sundown-towns-database/state-map/
Check it out. Chances are your town is listed too.

I think it's a good chunk of Wisconsin. I notice that the really small towns up north didn't make the list, but Oshkosh, Neenah, Menasha, Appleton, Fond du Lac are all on the list. (Pretty much the entire Fox Valley)

So is Eau Claire and surrounding cities.

Wisconsin only has three cities with populations over 100,000. Green Bay has 106,000 and it used to be a sundown town. The other two are Madison and Milwaukee and they're not on the list.

Racine and Kenosha are not on the list. (Both have significant Mexican-American populations going back to the great migration)


Otherwise, it looks like every single town between Milwaukee and Green Bay are on the list.
Also all the towns on 94/90 are on the list etc.
Heading west from Green Bay to Minneapolis, every town over 10.000 is on the list. I also worked in Sun Prairie which is just outside Madison. It's on the list. And it seems like every town between Fond du Lac and Madison are on the list.

although we had our own issues being a "free" but border state.

I used to live in a tiny town called "Atchison, KS" (Atchison, Topeka, and the Santa Fe Railway). I lived one block over from the dividing line in the city... it was named, appropriately enough for the time, I guess... "Division Street." Since we lived the next street from it, my entire school experience was in majority black schools. This is when you used to go to the school closest to you; not the way it is today. We had two schools for Elementary and a combined Junior/Senior High school. My brother was all the time over on Division street, riding dirt bikes with one of the kids his age over there. Luckily, my parents were pretty progressive for the time frame, even tho my Dad would tell you he was a Republican. He wasn't one of today's R's! In fact, he was much more upset with me when I started riding my motorcycle with a couple of guys who were Catholic... and my Dad wasn't even religious!!!

Cannot fool us, Donnie.

We attended a presentation on 'The Green Book' at the Heinz History Museum here in Pittsburgh a not so many years ago when it was also a featured exhibit.

It was quite the eye opener and very informative to an older white couple who lived as youngsters mostly in the North (PA & NJ) in the mid 1960's, and simply were not really aware of TGB's existence and social impact.

We were quite woke to what 'Sundown Towns' actually were by that exhibit and talk.

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It probably has something to do with that.

As well, tfg did not pay a bunch of prior campaign bills (for police or venues, etc) so some places, he is not welcome to come back. That probably factors into rally location decisions.

With the many platforms online and even USPS mailers there's no need for him to appear in person to spread his racist hate.

Larger looking crowds + deadbeat not paying his prior bills = the need for smaller towns

bogus issue. The uneducated doofuses attending his rallies wont know the history or even know what a "sundown town" is. "a tik tok user" - who??? "Faces backlash" - from the one tik tok user? Sigh - I guess this is what passes for journalism these days. There are so, so many real and troubling things about the Dump candidacy to criticize and bring to light, this aint one of them. ETA - I did find the lists of WI sundown towns in above posts enlightening though - I had no idea. Thanks for that!

My high school played a playoff basketball game at Johnstown high school a few years ago. My county has plenty of beat down old mill towns, but they looked positively prosporous when compared to what I saw in Johnstown. It was shocking considering Johnstown's significant industrial past.

and it has been downhill ever since.

They did put up a statue in his honor -

".....'He's f****** rallying the troops.'"

I disagree with this over the top bit of the TikTokker's message.

Anyone in the universe who doesn't know that asshole is a dirty racist (among other things) by now must have been living under a rock, or in a coma the past few decades, or was literally born yesterday.

He doesn't need to appear in person to get his disgusting messages out, obviously. He "rallies the troops" every time he opens his ugly filthy anus mouth.

And referring to MAGAts as "troops" is too damn generous.

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