The logging industry back off with reinforcement from the government.

It must be terrifying and unacceptable when indigenous people attempt to protect themselves!

An earlier story:

Peruvian loggers given 28 years in jail for murder of four Indigenous leaders

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Victims – among them environmental defender Edwin Chota – were tortured before their deaths in Peruvian Amazon in 2014

Dan Collyns in Lima
Fri 17 Feb 2023 17.11 EST

Dan Collyns in Lima
Fri 17 Feb 2023 17.11 EST

Five illegal loggers in Peru have been given 28-year jail sentences for the murder of four Indigenous leaders, among them the prominent anti-logging campaigner Edwin Chota, in a rare win for environmental justice.

Nearly eight years after the 2014 quadruple murder, a court in Pucallpa in the Peruvian Amazon found the loggers, Eurico Mapes Gómez and the brothers Segundo and Josimar Atachi Félix, guilty of aggravated homicide against the leaders, and sentenced them on Thursday to 28 years and three months in prison.

Edwin Chota, an activist against illegal logging, was murdered along with three other men, say Peruvian authorities

The court imposed the same sentence against Hugo Soria Flores and José Estrada Huayta, the timber businessmen convicted of planning the murder – one of the most notorious crimes against environmental defenders in Peru’s recent history.

The judge said the victims – Chota, Leoncio Quintisima, Jorge Ríos and Francisco Piñedo – were tortured before they were killed near Peru’s Amazon border with Brazil.

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/17/peru-illegal-logging-murder-indigenous-leaders



Edwin Chota, beside illegal logs felled by illegal loggers on indigenous land.





Edwin Chota







Rest in peace to the thousands of indigenous Peruvians abused, tortured and murdered already, with no end in sight.

Not unlike our own indigenous peoples. Why do some always think they can just take what they want? Loggers got what they deserved.

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..they can't just be killing trespassers.
We can call the timber industries the bad guys, and point out the tribe was desperate, but civilized people don't kill in cold blood.
I feel for their plight, but they'll not win people over acting like savages.

I also don't grave dance when animals kill people.

and savage.

They were not merely trespassers; their goal was to loot and, as a consequence that they didn't bother to even consider, destroy an entire people's homeland.

I tried finding out more info, but I couldn't. (Just the culture of ministry is defending them, but this isn't the US)

Yes, they have the right to defend themselves.
I just don't know how this plays out. Just not enough info.

I'm neutral about the whole thing. I'm not gonna say "good" or "bad". But saying that it's good seems to imply that the incident won't backfire. If the tribe had successfully chased them off, then I would say "good".
Just don't know what the laws are in Peru because this isn't the US.

Murderers no better than Hamas, Maduro, or Idi Amin.
They themselves are taking a random piece of real estate within a country and declaring sovereignty.
This is as if Cliven Bundy declared owning part of Nevada and killing anyone who enters his "homeland".

Anyone "civilized" is well are of this. Their ancestors, going back forever, have occupied those forests from the first.

You'd be doing yourself the favor you desperately need if you started doing actual homework on any part of actual Latin American history not written by people advancing the myths created by the genocidal invaders.

Does it belong to them? Do they have a functional government? Maybe it belongs to animals who have lived there forever and no one should live there..

No. It's within a country that has every sovereign right to do with that land as they wish. I have no sympathy for the timber industry, but that tribe does not "own" the land they're living on and they can't murder people.

All I can figure is some people just hate the industry so badly they delight that workers were killed.

June 6, 2023

ndigenous rights are federally recognized under the Brazilian constitution enacted in 1988, with land rights explicitly protected and mandated for demarcation (which provides an explicit land/property boundary and ownership designation) under Article 231. With an estimated Indigenous population of 900,000 and identified Indigenous lands representing a significant portion of Brazil’s land mass. Article 231 and its mandate is important for Indigenous self-determination, reparations from centuries of colonization, and ecological conservation.

Identified Indigenous lands represent about 13 percent of Brazil’s land mass, which is equivalent to about 106.7 million hectares, focused primarily in the Amazon, which come out to 462 different recognized lands.1 During the 1970s, a political movement around pro-Indigenous rights raised the profile for Indigenous and environmental issues, organized by an Indigenous rights coalition that included domestic and international non-governmental organizations, activists, and leftist politicians. Decades of struggle for recognition domestically, combined with an international advocacy campaign, culminated in the 1988 Constitution, which acknowledges that Indigenous peoples are the original inhabitants of Brazil.

Specifically, Article 231 of the 1988 Constitution recognizes “Indigenous people as the first and natural owners of the land and guarantees their right to land.”2 Through the Constitution, the federal government is mandated to demarcate land, which provides a formal guarantee, including protective status, as well as make efforts to preserve traditional Indigenous lands through formal legal land tenure processes. Since 1988, Brazil has made further international commitments to Indigenous land sovereignty, including being a major supporter and signatory of the 1989 ILO Convention No. 169 on Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Rights3 and the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People (UNDRIP) in 2007.4

More:
https://www.sdg16.plus/policies/constitutional-land-rights-for-indigenous-people-in-brazil/

UN & most of the world believe Israel committed war crimes -

It’s as if Israel believes all of Gaza & West Bank belongs to them..

War criminal is one more charge against Netanyahu that can be added to corruption and bribery.

By those rules they may believe they are justified in their actions.

He got an arrow up his ass for his efforts. I was happy about that.


I am happy about this.

WTF

From the Crusades, on, they are responsible for millions of deaths, endless poverty and persecution of anybody who doesn't subscribe to their belief in the magic man in the sky.

He was encouraged to break the law in India by an extremist religious group that knew contacting that group of voluntarily remote people in person was illegal, dangerous and could have resulted in death for them based upon transmission of infections by the missionary.

The missionary had already received a warning from the group to keep his distance but he returned again and apparently was killed.

The father of the missionary blames the extremist religious group for his son’s death.

The authorities in India are unwilling to even retrieve the missionary’s body. Such are the consequences of believing that one’s right to spread or impose one’s particular brand of religious belief upon people who have a chosen a remote way of life over being part of a modern society.

I think a moral argument could be made that some individuals in the remote group, especially children, may not rally have made an informed decision but aside from that I see that this missionary deliberately broke the law, endangered lives, and was well aware of the danger to his own life in breaking the law.

Possibly his father is correct and he was manipulated by the extremist Christian group., which is sad.

He never should have gone. He knew what he was doing, it's on him.

These people are allowed to protect their homeland.

seriously disturbing

It gets destroyed and the crew killed. Defending your land against attack is law and order.

it is vigilante-style justice

DONE here

...I'd like to know how you learned that.

A little “karma” at times is ok.

SICKENING

over and OUT

get a handle on this. The government and logging companies are in violation of international human rights law (specifically Article 8, No. 2) of the Universal Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.