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BumRushDaShow

(137,634 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:31 AM Sep 6

August payrolls grew by a less-than-expected 142,000, but unemployment rate ticked down to 4.2%

Source: CNBC

Published Fri, Sep 6 2024 8:30 AM EDT Updated 12 Min Ago


The U.S. economy created slightly fewer jobs than expected in August, reflecting a slowing labor market while also clearing the way for the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates later this month.

Nonfarm payrolls expanded by 142,000 during the month, down from 89,000 in July and below the 161,000 consensus forecast from Dow Jones, according to a report Friday from the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics.



At the same time, the unemployment rate ticked down to 4.2%, as expected.

The labor force expanded by 120,000 for the month, helping push the jobless level down by 0.1 percentage point, though the labor force participation rate held at 62.7%. An alternative measure that includes discouraged workers and those holding part-time jobs for economic reasons edged up to 7.9%, its highest reading since October 2021.



Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/06/jobs-report-august-2024.html



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Article updated.

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U.S. payrolls grew by 142,000 in August, less than expected

Published Fri, Sep 6 2024 8:30 AM EDT Updated 3 Min Ago


The U.S. economy created slightly fewer jobs than expected in August, reflecting a slowing labor market while also clearing the way for the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates later this month.

Nonfarm payrolls expanded by 142,000 during the month, down from 89,000 in July and below the 161,000 consensus forecast from Dow Jones, according to a report Friday from the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

At the same time, the unemployment rate ticked down to 4.2%, as expected.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.



Original article -

Published Fri, Sep 6 2024 8:30 AM EDT


Nonfarm payrolls were expected to expand by 161,000 in August while the unemployment rate fell to 4.2%, according to economists surveyed by Dow Jones.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.
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IronLionZion

(46,652 posts)
1. Not great, but OK
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:36 AM
Sep 6

US is still at full employment since unemployment is under 5%.

A Fed rate cut on 9/18 is widely expected

progree

(11,449 posts)
3. With the big 86k downward revisions of prior 2 months, we only have 56,000 more jobs than in last month's report
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:51 AM
Sep 6

Last edited Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:28 AM - Edit history (1)

So I'm expecting a 0.5% rate reduction Sept 18.

ETA The last 3 months averaged 116,000 jobs/month

BumRushDaShow

(137,634 posts)
6. So you think they are going to go "aggressive"
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:18 AM
Sep 6

with the first cut? That would almost sound panicky on their part. I was thinking 0.25% then maybe a 0.50% the next go-around, but you might be right.

progree

(11,449 posts)
7. I might have gotten "ahead of myself", maybe have egg all over my face already
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:31 AM
Sep 6

Last edited Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:12 PM - Edit history (2)

Bonds Waver as ‘Jury Is Still Out’ on Big Fed Cut: Markets Wrap, Bloomberg (no paywall on this one), 9/6/24 in wake of the jobs report -- the consensus is that it's likely to be a 0.25% cut.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dollar-stocks-face-pressure-ahead-223257619.html


CME Fedwatch is showing 57% probability of NO CUT and 43% probability of a 0.25% cut, and NO probability of a 0.50% cut
EDIT: Johnny2X2X is right. The current target rate is 525-550, according to the top of the graph
At the moment, 108p CT, it is 73% for a 0.25% cut and 27% for a 0.50% cut.
That makes a lot more sense. (Before I thought the current rate was 500-525, that's what I get for relying on memory. I didn't see the current rate thing at the top of the graph)
https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html


The yield on the 10 year Treasury is essentially the same right now as it was at yesterday's close, so that indicates the jobs report was no biggie difference as far as what the Fed might do.

And: There's still the CPI and PPI and retail sales reports coming before the Sept 18 FOMC decision.

Johnny2X2X

(20,976 posts)
8. You're reading that CME site wrong
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 10:48 AM
Sep 6

It's a 57% chance of 25 basis point cute and a 43% of a 50% cut. 0% chance of no cut.

BumRushDaShow

(137,634 posts)
10. I actually have a sub to Bloomberg
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:39 PM
Sep 6

(I blame you guys )

The downside is that they only let you have 5 gift links but I do know they have wire services and some of the aggregators like Yahoo! (that you linked to), msn, and Aol will often put their stories up.

Oddly enough, I think some of the hedging is also because few (among the risk-averse) want to see the stock market get over exuberant over a big cut and then find itself in a whopper of a correction sooner than expected.

I think a cut is 99 44/100% going to happen this month but since it will be the first cut since reaching this apex in just over a year, they might be more conservative with it to see the reaction and then would adjust at the next opportunity.

I kinda chuckle about that period back when everyone was talking about "the pivot" that was supposedly coming, I think it was back around May 2023, after which July 2023 was first month when the rates were finally frozen, and have stayed there ever since).

progree

(11,449 posts)
13. On scaring people with a 0.50% rate cut
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:08 PM
Sep 6
So you think they are going to go "aggressive" with the first cut? That would almost sound panicky on their part.

First I think they will do what is right as far as navigating the tight path between letting inflation get higher again (like it did first quarter of this year - my rolling 3 month graphs and month-to-month bar charts looked really scary back in April), vs. actually plunging us into a severe downturn or causing excessive economic pain jobs wise.

The situation back in April https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143231474#post1
e.g. PCE inflation --


Back to the latest. The Core PCE, their favored measure, is still 2.5% year-over-year and they are serious (in my opinion) about the 2.0% target, and I think they should be. The core CPI is 2.9% yoy.

Yes, I fully understand, and I fully realize, that I'm kind of an outlying naive, unsophisticated ring-ring-ring-a-ding-dong for thinking Jerome is actually trying to do the right thing, rather than doing everything in his power to bring on a pre-election recession.

(I get tired of pointing out that the FOMC committee makes the rate decision in a vote, it's not the nefarious Jerome who alone decides; but I realize the smartest people in the room types will point out that they're all part of the Trump-loving tax-cut-wishing oligarchy, sigh. Sometimes I just need to take time off)

I put little weight on the argument that they won't do 0.50% because it might scare the markets and scare consumers and business leaders too.

I am always amazed, always, at how much good people around these parts seem to think a 0.25% cut will do. Really, they think 0.25% is going to propel a pre-election nirvana of renewed economic and job growth? As opposed to what I think -- it will propel the stock market up for a couple of days.

If the Feds think a rate cut is the right thing to do, I think they might as well do one that has some chance of at least minutely affecting the economy. And not just something that will give the stock market a couple of big up days.

I notice, however, that a reason against a big rate cut is that RECENT inflation (i.e. 3 month average and month-to-month) is trending sharply down and is already well below 2%: The core PCE 3 month average is 1.7% annualized, and the core CPI 3 month average is 1.6% annualized. Graphs and the summary table of all 3 inflation measures are here for both regular headline measures "with everything" and for the core measures.

So that's another reason for me backing off on my earlier 0.50% rate cut projection.

BumRushDaShow

(137,634 posts)
15. As a comment to this
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:01 AM
Sep 7
(I get tired of pointing out that the FOMC committee makes the rate decision in a vote, it's not the nefarious Jerome who alone decides; but I realize the smartest people in the room types will point out that they're all part of the Trump-loving tax-cut-wishing oligarchy, sigh. Sometimes I just need to take time off)


I think people forget that decision is done by a Committee, including a "Board" with several Biden appointees on it. I sort of liken it to how some think that John Roberts can swoop in and unilaterally override any SCOTUS decision.

I put little weight on the argument that they won't do 0.50% because it might scare the markets and scare consumers and business leaders too.


Actually I wasn't thinking of the amount as something that would "scare the markets" but more along the lines of the opposite, where it could unintentionally juice them, as there are some (speculators) in the markets who seem to want to use these sorts of interest rate cut announcements as a Red Bull-type stimulant. I say this because of watching what happened in the past whenever there were "rumors" floated about "cuts" (like this past late winter/early spring), leading to the markets shooting up.

It's a tricky thing to be able to try to reduce the volatility that often occurs whenever there are simple policy discussions.

I am always amazed, always, at how much good people around these parts seem to think a 0.25% cut will do. Really, they think 0.25% is going to propel a pre-election nirvana of renewed economic and job growth? As opposed to what I think -- it will propel the stock market up for a couple of days.


I actually think it will generate the same type of reaction when the hikes finally stopped (despite the predictions that "'Powell' (in quotes) would keep raising the rates more and more and more and we would end up back in the late '70s in a Volker redux).

progree

(11,449 posts)
2. LINKS to some BLS Data Series Numbers and Graphs. And yes these are NET job gains
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 08:48 AM
Sep 6

The reported nonfarm payroll jobs are jobs created and job openings filled minus jobs lost: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143221098#post24

The headline payroll job numbers (142,000 in August) come from the Establishment Survey
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes (in thousands): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
YEAR: JAN FEB MAR etc.
2022: 251 862 494 272 286 420 690 243 255 361 258 136
2023: 482 287 146 278 303 240 184 210 246 165 182 290
2024: 256 236 310 108 216 118 89 142 (Sum is 1475 year to date, that's 1.475 million)
The last 2 months (July and Aug) are preliminary, subject to revisions


# Employed in thousands (168,000 in August) come from the separate Household Survey, http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000
Monthly changes (in thousands): http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth
If one adjusts the date range from 2021 to 2024, the graph is much more meaningful because it leaves out the huge swings of 2020 that greatly enlarges the Y axis and makes what follows look like tiny almost undiscernible squiggles around the zero axis
YEAR: JAN FEB MAR etc.
2022: 942 462 691 --331 426 --198 166 476 136 --165 --244 815
2023: 852 149 523 138 --255 297 205 291 50 --270 586 --683
2024: --31 --184 498 25 --408 116 67 168 (Sum is 251 year to date. That's 251,000 more employed.

Compare to the above series: 1.475 million more jobs)
January and February of each year are affected by changes in population controls.
A very volatile data series from month to month. I used a double minus to make the negative ones stand out a little better
This Household Survey also produces the unemployment rate and labor force participation rate among many other stats

REVISIONS of the prior 2 months: down 86,000, from the BLS news release:
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for June was revised down by 61,000, from +179,000 to +118,000, and the change for July was revised down by 25,000, from +114,000 to +89,000. With these revisions, employment in June and July combined is 86,000 lower than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal
factors.)


So compared to the report that came out one month ago we have 142,000 - 86,000 = 56,000 net new payroll jobs reported.

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LINKS to some BLS Data Series Numbers and Graphs

Table A - Summary of Household Survey (produces unemployment rate, labor force participation rate) - https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm

Table B - Summary of Establishment Survey (produces the headline payroll jobs number and the average earnings) - https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.b.htm

Every one of these data series comes with a table and graph:

# Nonfarm Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes (in thousands): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
   NOT SEASONALLY ADJUSTED: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CEU0000000001

# Employed in thousands from the separate Household Survey, http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000
Monthly changes (in thousands): http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth
   NOT SEASONALLY ADJUSTED: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02000000

# Nonfarm PRIVATE Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Monthly changes: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth
    ^-Good for comparison to the ADP report that typically comes out a few days earlier
NOT SEASONALLY ADJUSTED: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CEU0500000001

Earnings of Production and Non-Supervisor Workers (PANSW)
. . . # INFLATION ADJUSTED Hourly Earnings of PANSW http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000032
. . . # INFLATION ADJUSTED Weekly Earnings of PANSW http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000031
----- Nominal means NOT inflation adjusted. Just plain ordinary greenbacks ----
. . . # Nominal Hourly Earnings of PANSW- http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000008
. . . # Nominal Weekly Earnings of PANSW - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000030

# Labor Force http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11000000?output_view=net_1mth
The labor force is the sum of employed and unemployed. To count as unemployed, one must have actively sought work in the past 4 weeks (just looking at want ads and job postings doesn't count)

# ETPR (Employment-To-Population Ratio) aka Employment Rate http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

# LFPR (Labor Force Participation rate) http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Unemployed, Unemployment Rate
# Unemployed http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS13000000
# Unemployment rate http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
    # Black unemployment rate (%), https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
    # Hispanic or Latino unemployment rate (%), https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000009
    # White unemployment rate (%), https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000003
# U-6 unemployment rate http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS13327709
------------ end unemployed, unemployment rates --------

# NILF -- Not in Labor Forcehttp://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000

# NILF-WJ -- Not in Labor Force, Wants Job http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15026639

# Part-Time Workers who want Full-Time Jobs (Table A-8's Part-Time For Economic Reasons) http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12032194

# Part-Time Workers (Table A-9) http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12600000

# Full-Time Workers (Table A-9) http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12500000

# Multiple Job holders (Table A-9) - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12026619

# Multiple Jobholders as a Percent of Employed (Table A-9) https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12026620

# Civilian non-institutional population
Seasonally adjusted (they seem to have gotten rid of this) https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS10000000
NOT seasonally adjusted: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU00000000
. . In Table A-1 https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm they show the same numbers for seasonally adjusted and non-seasonally adjusted

LFPR - Labor Force Participation Rate for some age groups
The LFPR is the Employed + jobless people who have looked for work in the last 4 weeks (and say they want a job and are able to take one if offered. Looking for work involves more than just looking at job listings). All divided by the civilian non-institutional population age 16+ (in the case of the regular LFPR, or divided by the civilian non-institutional population of whatever age, gender, race etc. for the various sub-demographic measures. For example. the LFPR of age 25-54 females is the number of those employed or actively seeking work divided by the civilian non-institutional population of age 25-54 females.)

SA means Seasonally adjusted. NSA means Not Seasonally Adjusted
16+: SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01300000
25-34: SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300089 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01300089
25-54 ("Prime Age" ): SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300060 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01300060
55-64: -------------------- NSA: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01300095
55+: SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11324230 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01324230
65+: SA: ---------------- NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU01300097

LFPR - Labor Force Particpation Rate (prime age 25-54) by gender
All: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300060
Men: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300061
Women: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300062

More LFPR links including by race: https://www.democraticunderground.com/111695870

ETPR - Employment to Population Ratio for some age groups
SA means Seasonally adjusted. NSA means Not Seasonally Adjusted
16+: SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02300000
25-34: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300089 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02300089
25-54 ("Prime Age" ): SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300060 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02300060
55-64: SA: ---------------- NSA: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02300095
55+: SA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12324230 NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02324230
65+: SA: ---------------- NSA: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU02300097

Data series finder (employment/unemployment related): https://www.bls.gov/data/#employment

The entire report: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Inflation rate (CPI)
. . . Monthly report: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
. . . Regular CPI: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0?output_view=pct_1mth
. . . Core CPI: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0L1E?output_view=pct_1mth
. . . Energy: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0E?output_view=pct_1mth
. . . Food: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SAF1?output_view=pct_1mth
. . . Food at home (groceries): https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SAF11?output_view=pct_1mth
. . . Calculator at: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
. . . One Screen Data Search for CPI components: https://data.bls.gov/PDQWeb/cu

Grocery prices (food at home) inflation compared to overall inflation rate
. . . . . https://www.in2013dollars.com/Food-at-home/price-inflation
. . . From 1947 to 2021 and from 2000 to 2021, food at home inflation very slightly lagged the overall inflation rate
. . . . . https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142735789


Archives of previous reports - The monthly payroll employment reports from the BLS are archived at Archived News Releases (https://www.bls.gov/bls/news-release/ ). In the list up at the top, under Major Economic Indicators, select Employment Situation ( https://www.bls.gov/bls/news-release/empsit.htm ). That opens up links to reports going back to 1994.

Happy Hoosier

(8,075 posts)
4. Well, my 401K will add to the pain today because PAAANIC!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 09:02 AM
Sep 6

Fortunately, I don't need my account for 9 years (planned retirement)....

Jerome better get off his ass and do something.

Yavin4

(35,809 posts)
9. This is actually good news for the economy as a whole.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:21 PM
Sep 6

Inflation should continue to fall as job growth declines, and that should spur the Fed to cut rates which will eventually lead to more capital becoming available for more productive purposes.

progree

(11,449 posts)
14. Here's some positives - A 0.4% increase in average hourly earnings, and a longer workweek
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 01:31 AM
Sep 7
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-august-jobs-report-dashes-hopes-for-a-big-interest-rate-cut/ar-AA1q8vYk

Offsetting the miss on payrolls was a rebound in the workweek to 34.3 hours, which Joseph Carson, former chief economist at AllianceBernstein, says is equivalent to hiring several hundred thousand workers.


Hmm. From Table B, it went up by just 0.1 hours, from 34.2 in July to 34.3 in August. And that could be a much smaller change that rounded to the next 0.1.

It was 34.4 hours in August 2023, and 34.3 hours in June 2024.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Table B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm
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