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BumRushDaShow

(141,318 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:15 PM Sep 6

Trump hush money sentencing delayed until after election

Source: Reuters

September 6, 2024 1:43 PM EDT Updated 3 min ago


NEW YORK, Sept 6 (Reuters) - A New York judge on Friday delayed former U.S. President Donald Trump's sentencing in his hush money criminal case until after the Nov. 5 election, writing that he wants to avoid the unwarranted perception of a political motive. Trump, the Republican nominee for president, had previously been scheduled to be sentenced on Sept. 18.

His lawyers in August asked Justice Juan Merchan to push back his sentencing date until after the vote, citing "naked election-interference objectives." Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who brought the charges against Trump, is a Democrat. Merchan said on Friday he now planned to sentence Trump on Nov. 26, unless the case is dismissed before then.

"The imposition of sentence will be adjourned to avoid any appearance - however unwarranted - that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to affect the approaching Presidential election in which the Defendant is a candidate," the judge wrote. "The Court is a fair, impartial and apolitical institution." Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said after the ruling that the case should be dismissed altogether. "There should be no sentencing in the Manhattan DA's Election Interference Witch Hunt," Cheung said in a statement.

Trump's lawyers also argued there would not be enough time before the sentencing for the defense to potentially appeal Merchan's forthcoming ruling on Trump's request to overturn the conviction due to the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark decision on presidential immunity. Merchan had been scheduled to rule on that motion on Sept. 16. He wrote on Friday he now plans to rule on that motion on Nov. 12.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-rule-donald-trumps-bid-delay-hush-money-sentencing-2024-09-06/



Link to RULING (PDF) - https://tmsnrt.rs/4eh6X9z

Article updated.

Original article/headline -

Judge delays Trump hush money sentencing until Nov. 26

September 6, 2024 1:13 PM EDT Updated a min ago


NEW YORK, Sept 6 (Reuters) - A New York judge on Friday delayed former U.S. President Donald Trump's sentencing on charges stemming from hush money paid to a porn star until Nov. 26.

Trump, the Republican nominee for president, had asked Justice Juan Merchan to push back his sentencing date until after the Nov. 5 election. Trump had previously been scheduled to be sentenced on Sept. 18, less than two months before the election.

Trump's lawyers in August argued there would not be enough time before the sentencing for the defense to potentially appeal Merchan's forthcoming ruling on Trump's request to overturn the conviction due to the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark decision on presidential immunity.

Merchan had been scheduled to rule on that motion on Sept. 16. The Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling, which related to a separate criminal case Trump faces, found that presidents cannot be criminally prosecuted for their official acts, and that evidence of presidents' official actions cannot be used to help prove criminal cases involving unofficial actions.
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Trump hush money sentencing delayed until after election (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 6 OP
MERDE!!! Mme. Defarge Sep 6 #1
Justice delayed is justice denied. Bobstandard Sep 6 #5
Does that mean Delphinus Sep 6 #28
Close BaronChocula Sep 6 #32
Starts with s, ends with t, Mme. Defarge Sep 6 #47
Judge delays Trump sentencing in hush money case until November 26. LetMyPeopleVote Sep 6 #2
Read Justice Merchan's four-page letter. LetMyPeopleVote Sep 6 #3
Not surprised. It was always going to be up the voters. Keep JohnSJ Sep 6 #12
Should one be necessary??? Chellee Sep 6 #17
I am not surprised but a little pisssed. Politics should have no relation to the judicial. Bev54 Sep 6 #55
Why even bother anymore, America Charging Triceratops Sep 6 #4
did you read the story? NJCher Sep 6 #9
Sickening. How many convicted people get to delay, delay their sentencing? sinkingfeeling Sep 6 #6
Why does this hideous man get so many breaks!?! Chellee Sep 6 #7
He keeps getting away with it. TechDave Sep 6 #71
EVERYONE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND ScratchCat Sep 6 #8
sometimes I think NJCher Sep 6 #13
Then Bragg blew it BIG TIME!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 6 #16
The same Bragg who scuttled the case years ago, orthoclad Sep 6 #26
Do you mean cy vance? niyad Sep 6 #48
No, it was Bragg orthoclad Sep 6 #65
"Bragg could have moved forward long before election season. He has a history of reluctance." BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #73
Good info, thanks orthoclad Sep 7 #74
Today is September 7, 2024 BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #76
The prosecution didn't oppose it, and the reasoning in the judge's letter makes sense. Ocelot II Sep 6 #10
It's just frustrating as hell that there are two standards for justice. groundloop Sep 6 #50
Merchan wants to keep himself and his family alive. hadEnuf Sep 6 #62
So true! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 6 #64
Who doesn't think he fears a backlash? louis-t Sep 6 #11
I'm sure that's part of it.... Think. Again. Sep 6 #45
Threats work gab13by13 Sep 6 #14
Trump really is untouchable angrychair Sep 6 #15
Why do you give silver even a mention?! That guy is not doing unbiased polling! PortTack Sep 6 #20
He's still *convicted.* The rescheduling of the sentencing hearing doesn't change that. Ocelot II Sep 6 #22
He left open the possibility to dismiss the conviction angrychair Sep 6 #27
There is one other step required before he is *convicted.* The trial judge has to enter the verdict and that typically 24601 Sep 6 #39
Well he bdamomma Sep 6 #69
WTF?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 6 #18
Read the judge's letter. The prosecution didn't oppose the rescheduling. Ocelot II Sep 6 #19
His letter angrychair Sep 6 #31
I think a dismissal is unlikely, but if it did happen, Ocelot II Sep 6 #38
If Trump is elected it will be dismissed. hadEnuf Sep 6 #63
Being strategic in how you affect an election is called... Think. Again. Sep 6 #44
Well.... RevBrotherThomas Sep 6 #21
I'm curious about Trump's voting status. bluedigger Sep 6 #23
FL applies the law of the state where the conviction occurs, and NY law RockRaven Sep 6 #36
This might be good news, in disguise. Wednesdays Sep 6 #24
I agree! skylucy Sep 6 #30
He won't be sentenced to prison. Ocelot II Sep 6 #41
"fraught with complexities" orthoclad Sep 6 #25
Utter bullshit Gaytano70 Sep 6 #29
Which goes back to the 1970s Stargleamer Sep 6 #35
Deviating from a normal course of events to avoid the appearance of being political RockRaven Sep 6 #33
Well said. Think. Again. Sep 6 #42
Another break for Don the Con. flying_wahini Sep 6 #34
I don't see anything wrong with a law, abiding citizen, gaining advantage in an election, because their opponent is a fe Walleye Sep 6 #37
Making any decision about a court case... Think. Again. Sep 6 #40
Justice bromeando Sep 6 #43
That's it.... Escape Sep 6 #46
That probably means he's going to jail. Oopsie Daisy Sep 6 #49
Chicken Sh*t! Ford_Prefect Sep 6 #51
No man is above the law???????? AmBlue Sep 6 #52
The prosecution didn't oppose the motion to delay. boyedav1969 Sep 6 #53
Could you imagine if the prosecution had opposed the delay?? #Trump and MAGA fans riversedge Sep 6 #58
Who gives a shit if the maggots have a hissy fit? I sure don't. Jack Valentino Sep 6 #67
Not surprised Catherine Vincent Sep 6 #54
Trump skating again? I'm Shocked, I say, SHOCKED!! onandup Sep 6 #56
Fuck him Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 6 #57
Imagine that moniss Sep 6 #59
This was a sensible move Orrex Sep 6 #60
If this doesn't motivate folks to vote, I don't know what else is needed. SallyHemmings Sep 6 #61
Yes, bdamomma Sep 6 #70
..."he wants to avoid the unwarranted perception of a political motive." republianmushroom Sep 6 #66
Alvin Bragg did *not* oppose Trump's request for postponement LetMyPeopleVote Sep 6 #68
MSNBC: sentencing delay is worst outcome for trump, confinement more likely onetexan Sep 7 #72
Hey Judge, things went political on 1/6 and they started it. Start putting these fuckers in jail and you'll Hotler Sep 7 #75
Bannon was sentenced to 4 months in prison *Oct. 21, 2022* BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #77

JohnSJ

(96,296 posts)
12. Not surprised. It was always going to be up the voters. Keep
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:29 PM
Sep 6

in mind no matter whether he delayed or not trump is saying he has immunity, which is garbage.

If trump loses the election, I hope, he will be finished.

.



Chellee

(2,207 posts)
17. Should one be necessary???
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:32 PM
Sep 6
Unfortunately, we are now at a place in time that is fraught with complexities rendering the requirements of a sentencing hearing, should one be necessary, difficult to execute.


He was convicted. Why would a sentence not be necessary? We're you thinking of just saying, "Now, now Donald, that was naughty, try not to do it again." Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Chellee

(2,207 posts)
7. Why does this hideous man get so many breaks!?!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:25 PM
Sep 6

If he wins, he'll never see the inside of a cell, EVER. If he loses, and the sentencing isn't delayed AGAIN!, it will be two days before Thanksgiving. Two days before the most difficult holiday to spend with your Republican relatives. Honestly, this judge, I want to shake him. Why are you letting this hideous man off the hook AGAIN!?!

I'd scream if I weren't afraid of scaring the cat and worrying the neighbors.

ScratchCat

(2,402 posts)
8. EVERYONE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:28 PM
Sep 6

The State did not object to this.

It's not "the judge letting Trump get away again". Alvin Bragg did not object.

NJCher

(37,677 posts)
13. sometimes I think
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:30 PM
Sep 6

DUers are the most pessimistic, negative thinkers. There's nothing to be gained by this.

Read the damn story before you go

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
65. No, it was Bragg
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:36 PM
Sep 6

I had to check. My circuits are shorting.

No, it was Bragg. From his wiki:

On February 23, 2022, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, the lead prosecutors in the New York County District Attorney's investigation into Donald Trump and his businesses, resigned abruptly after Bragg "indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump".[18] In his letter of resignation, Pomerantz wrote that the "team that has been investigating Mr. Trump harbors no doubt about whether he committed crimes,[19] including falsifying business records, and that it was "a grave failure of justice"[19] not to pursue criminal charges.[20]


Bragg could have moved forward long before election season. He has a history of reluctance.

BumRushDaShow

(141,318 posts)
73. "Bragg could have moved forward long before election season. He has a history of reluctance."
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:56 AM
Sep 7

Bragg was only elected to the office in November 2021 and sworn in January 1, 2022. So there isn't much of a "history" there.

Cyrus Vance, Jr. was in there for 3 terms (from 2010 - 2022) before neglecting to run again. The "delay" problem came from Cyrus Vance, Jr. for not moving faster.

Remember that this crime was initiated in 2016 and bled into/continued through 2017 (with the monthly checks to Cohen).

The Feds (SDNY) did their case but eventually declined to charge 45 and they were able to get Cohen to plead guilty in 2018, so that ended that (federally) at that point.

And supposedly Vance authorized Pomerantz to seek an indictment - But NOT UNTIL THE END OF 2021.

Why did Vance, Jr. wait 3 years before authorizing an "investigation", timed to happen right when he was leaving office? He should have immediately had some preliminary work get underway RIGHT after the feds concluded their case at the end of 2018, or at least had something going "parallel" but not too intrusive to interfere with the federal stuff.

And supposedly Vance claimed that Bragg would agree to have this continue once Vance left office but at this point, unless he had chance to see what they even had, how could Bragg make a proper decision unless he had all the evidence that had been gathered to date?



orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
74. Good info, thanks
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:17 AM
Sep 7

I wasn't excluding Vance from the "reluctant" list. It was Bragg in this particular issue.

BumRushDaShow

(141,318 posts)
76. Today is September 7, 2024
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:13 AM
Sep 7

Bragg was sworn into office a little over 32 months ago. Right now, when it comes to criminal cases (whether state or federal), his is the ONLY one that has gone from start to finish with convictions.

ABC News did a timeline - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-manhattan-district-attorney-case-donald-trump/story?id=98389444


(snip)

Jan. 1, 2022

Bragg takes office as Manhattan's new district attorney. Before leaving office, Vance does not bring charges against Trump.

Feb. 22, 2022

The two prosecutors leading the Trump probe -- Assistant District Attorneys Carey Dunne and Mark Pomerantz -- resign from the district attorney's office.

Pomerantz later reveals that he disagreed with Bragg's decision to not bring charges against Trump in Bragg's early days as DA. Pomerantz was formerly a special prosecutor with the Southern District of New York.

The investigation continues after their resignations but doubt is cast on whether charges will be brought against Trump.

(snip)

Dec. 5, 2022

Bragg announces he has hired Matthew Colangelo as senior counsel. He was a previous Department of Justice official and prior to that worked at the New York Attorney General's Office where he was part of the team that investigated the Trump Foundation.

(snip)

May 24, 2023

Judge Merchan sets a trial date of March 25, 2024, for Trump's criminal trial on charges of falsifying business records. He had previously indicated that no one associated with the case is allowed to schedule anything that would conflict with the trial.

The judge also reviews for Trump the terms of the protective order that prohibits him from sharing on social media any evidence turned over by the Manhattan district attorney during discovery.

(snip)


Again I ask, why did Vance WAIT until right before he was going to leave office to suddenly decide to start an investigation and instead DUMPS the case on a brand new D.A?



The state and city of NY have had a lot of issues over the decades and have let 45 slide for 50 years before finally doing something. He was apparently "good P.R. for the city and state".

Ocelot II

(120,367 posts)
10. The prosecution didn't oppose it, and the reasoning in the judge's letter makes sense.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:29 PM
Sep 6

I don't see a problem here - especially since the prosecution didn't object.

groundloop

(12,166 posts)
50. It's just frustrating as hell that there are two standards for justice.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:58 PM
Sep 6

tRump's Supreme Court handed him a Get Out of Jail Free card, on top of the usual double standard for the rich. THAT'S what everyone is pissed about.

louis-t

(23,618 posts)
11. Who doesn't think he fears a backlash?
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:29 PM
Sep 6

I'm gonna go there and say his decision was based in part on fear of reprisal by tsf worshipers.

angrychair

(9,672 posts)
15. Trump really is untouchable
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:30 PM
Sep 6

The justice system is in his back pocket now.
Stuff like this only reenforces the narrative from Republicans that he is innocent and this is a political prosection.

This is more than I can deal with. Tired of this. From Nate Silver saying trump will win the election to the justice system giving him every opportunity to walk free is really breaking me psychologically.

PortTack

(34,465 posts)
20. Why do you give silver even a mention?! That guy is not doing unbiased polling!
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:38 PM
Sep 6

He was fired from 538 and works for Peter thiel!

Ocelot II

(120,367 posts)
22. He's still *convicted.* The rescheduling of the sentencing hearing doesn't change that.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:39 PM
Sep 6

He will remain a convicted felon up to and after the election; the fact that he hasn't been sentenced yet makes no difference. Read the judge's decision, and consider that the prosecution did not object.

angrychair

(9,672 posts)
27. He left open the possibility to dismiss the conviction
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:52 PM
Sep 6

Which is likely just him greasing the skids to dismiss the whole thing.
Trump always gets a pass. Always.

24601

(4,002 posts)
39. There is one other step required before he is *convicted.* The trial judge has to enter the verdict and that typically
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:06 PM
Sep 6

happens shortly before sentencing. With the ongoing appeals, which will not be decided until November 12th, he remains not quite yet convicted.

Ocelot II

(120,367 posts)
19. Read the judge's letter. The prosecution didn't oppose the rescheduling.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:36 PM
Sep 6

And strategically it was a good move. Nothing to get exercised over.

angrychair

(9,672 posts)
31. His letter
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:55 PM
Sep 6

Also implies he could dismiss all charges still. He hasn't announced that decision yet but I think it's obvious he will dismiss everything.

The state cases were supposed to be the way he would finally face justice but they have proven easier to manipulate than the federal courts.

Ocelot II

(120,367 posts)
38. I think a dismissal is unlikely, but if it did happen,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:06 PM
Sep 6

wouldn’t it be much worse for that to occur before the election?

hadEnuf

(2,626 posts)
63. If Trump is elected it will be dismissed.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:21 PM
Sep 6

If not, then we'll see. Depends on how credible the threats are.

bluedigger

(17,143 posts)
23. I'm curious about Trump's voting status.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:39 PM
Sep 6

Does Florida allow convicted but unsentenced felons the right to vote?

RockRaven

(16,170 posts)
36. FL applies the law of the state where the conviction occurs, and NY law
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:59 PM
Sep 6

allows a convicted but not yet sentenced felon to vote.

Wednesdays

(20,308 posts)
24. This might be good news, in disguise.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:42 PM
Sep 6

We may be looking at a prison sentence for TCF.

If Merchant were to hand down a severe penalty, MAGAts would go apeshit if it were before the election. But after the election, a harsh judgement won't be touted as political favoritism.

Ocelot II

(120,367 posts)
41. He won't be sentenced to prison.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:10 PM
Sep 6

A financial crime, first offense is not going to result in prison time - most likely there will be a stiff fine. I am actually relieved at the rescheduling for the reasons cited by the judge.

RockRaven

(16,170 posts)
33. Deviating from a normal course of events to avoid the appearance of being political
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 12:57 PM
Sep 6

is being political, and appears so.

So, task failed. Again.

Walleye

(35,046 posts)
37. I don't see anything wrong with a law, abiding citizen, gaining advantage in an election, because their opponent is a fe
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:01 PM
Sep 6

Convicted felon. Seems to me that’s the way it ought to work. So stick it, thousands of people staying in jail, pending sentencing, you’re not special enough. Of course you’re in jail you can’t vote so

Think. Again.

(17,324 posts)
40. Making any decision about a court case...
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:10 PM
Sep 6

...that is not related to the coming election, based on how that decision will affect the election, is election interference.

Judge Chutkan has it right, the election will play no part in the court case before her.

Escape

(26 posts)
46. That's it....
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 01:32 PM
Sep 6

I'm not gonna spend another minute of my life thinking Donald Trump will EVER be held responsible for ANY of his actions.

It's over. He won.

It is clear now that he IS absolutely above the law!!!!

AmBlue

(3,433 posts)
52. No man is above the law????????
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:07 PM
Sep 6

BULL$HIT!!!!! How is it that the People's right to see this convicted criminal fairly adjudicated and sentenced BEFORE we go to the polls is never taken into consideration???

boyedav1969

(108 posts)
53. The prosecution didn't oppose the motion to delay.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:08 PM
Sep 6

This is hardly new information. The judge isn't going to make the prosecution's case to deny the motion; the prosecution has to do that themselves. If they didn't oppose it, then I'm betting there's a good reason. Have a little faith in the only team that's been able to hang criminal convictions on this guy.

riversedge

(72,954 posts)
58. Could you imagine if the prosecution had opposed the delay?? #Trump and MAGA fans
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:30 PM
Sep 6

would have a huge hissy fit!

Jack Valentino

(1,159 posts)
67. Who gives a shit if the maggots have a hissy fit? I sure don't.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:58 PM
Sep 6

If they want to go ape-shit, they can end up in jail with the j-6ers.

or maybe dead.

moniss

(5,515 posts)
59. Imagine that
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:32 PM
Sep 6

a strategy of employing a "no hope/improper" appeal ends up having a desired effect. I thought the SC would make this move but I think Merchan may have seen the inevitable coming and got ahead of it.

At the end of the day, even if sentenced eventually, the reality is that this will be tied up in appeals for many years and even if he outlives the appeals and there is prison time attached I don't see him sticking around for it. It is the reality that our system of justice would never bend like this for an average person. But it is not new. It is just so easily witnessed now.

Orrex

(64,004 posts)
60. This was a sensible move
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:42 PM
Sep 6

Frustrating, to be sure, but sensible. Unlike ThOmas and Alito, some judges recognize the importance of avoiding impropriety or the appearance of impropriety.

SallyHemmings

(1,876 posts)
61. If this doesn't motivate folks to vote, I don't know what else is needed.
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 02:48 PM
Sep 6

But, I'm preaching to the choir here.


Frustrating....

bdamomma

(66,151 posts)
70. Yes,
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 06:02 PM
Sep 6

now it up to us, let's get this felon see defeat in November record voting numbers!!!! That's it we are up at the plate!!!!!! When we fight we win!!!!!!!

republianmushroom

(17,279 posts)
66. ..."he wants to avoid the unwarranted perception of a political motive."
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:42 PM
Sep 6

And delaying the sentencing "is not perception of a political motive", it flat ass is political motivated.

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,009 posts)
68. Alvin Bragg did *not* oppose Trump's request for postponement
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:15 PM
Sep 6

Alvin Bragg did not oppose the postponement which may be a major factor in Judge Merchant's decision



This might come as a surprise to some. But keep in mind that the prosecution did *not* oppose Trump’s request for postponement. And that appears to be a key factor taken into account by Justice Merchan in determining that Trump’s sentencing hearing ought to be delayed.


onetexan

(13,885 posts)
72. MSNBC: sentencing delay is worst outcome for trump, confinement more likely
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:08 AM
Sep 7
https://m.


This was my first instinct when it was announced yesterday. I do believe the con will lose his pants off to Kamala and get his just desserts - prison.

Hotler

(12,026 posts)
75. Hey Judge, things went political on 1/6 and they started it. Start putting these fuckers in jail and you'll
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:19 AM
Sep 7

become a hero in the eyes of millions......

BumRushDaShow

(141,318 posts)
77. Bannon was sentenced to 4 months in prison *Oct. 21, 2022*
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 10:22 AM
Sep 7
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/stephen-k-bannon-sentenced-four-months-prison-two-counts-contempt-congress

It took almost 2 years (with all the appeals and stays and whatnot) to finally get his ass reporting to a prison July 1st, 2024.

The same would and will happen with 45 unfortunately (assuming he did get sentenced to that). And no matter what the sentence (including fines or even something like "probation" ), he WILL appeal it as long as he can.
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