and I guess eventually they will get the "most key" one.

Death toll of 63 and 241 respectively. He was pretty "key". The State Dept had a $7 million reward on him, so they seem to agree.

and others pop right up to take their place. Who will get the reward money, you think?

Maybe you're thinking of the US killing Al Qaeda's #2?

Were these not leaders, or just plain low level folks?

That word is UNPRECEDENTED. That attack was on Hezbollah members at all levels - leaders to foot soldiers.

When you say "regularly", I interpret that as going back years, decades. Prior to 10/7, how many Hezbollah leaders were "regularly" killed?

As hostilities have stepped up, so have targeted killings of commanders.

…but it was brilliant.

Thousands of Hizbollah terrorists are walking around (if they’re lucky) missing eyeballs, hands, even testicles… and living in absolute terror of anything digital.

A fitting karmic payback for their rocket attacks on cities and civilians.

Mohamed Jaber, key leader of the Islamic jihad Tulkarm battalion. I can keep looking for more examples, just saying whoever is killing them, their replacements keep popping up, be it Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.

When an experience leader dies a less experienced man becomes the leader which is good for Israel

Though others might view it as another in another ongoing battle of tit-for-tat that breeds more violence.

Again, another perspective.

And that is what I am saying.

Don't want no shit don't start no shit

Israel should surrender and allow its population to be massacred instead.

Or maybe if they say “please, Mr Crazy Islamic Terrorist, could you not fire missiles at our cities?” That could work.

According to some peoples perspectives.

geopolitical differences, far different levels of US military support over decades, a very different situation entirely. But you know that.

People keep missing that nuance. They cheer for Ukrainian missiles that blow up facilities in Russia and kill “innocent civilians” nearby… and they’re hardly loud in their condemnation of Hamas or Hizbollah when they kill kids with rocket attacks on cities.

It’s almost as though their concern is about something else

always

They will meet the same fate.

It seems to me that the more war and violent ops are likely to produce more terrorists. How many do you think Abu Ghraib and the Iraq War created? Just because they haven't successfully struck in the US again doesn't mean they don't exist.

Surrender? That is a pacifist argument. I am not a pacifist.

Exactly what Harris is advocating. You know, I'm a Democrat, not a member of Likud.

Neither the Israeli population nor the Gaza population supports a two-state solution.

No one, means zero people.

You win. Happy?

Since you couldn't be bother to exert that small amount of effort.

33% is not "no one." You won nothing. You couldn't even bother to look up evidence.

I don't need to see polls. I have also been to all of the surrounding areas several times.

escaped you. You seem to have missed a lot.

that said 34% of Israelis support a two-state solution. You said "no one." You visited the region yet never met a soul who supported a two-state solution, if we're to take you at your word.

I lived in Brazil and the UK. I don't claim to have absolute knowledge of those two countries and the views of their populations.

Very common on discussion boards. People will often say " no one" when they mean "most". People do it everyday in almost every thread on DU. People will say "no one supports Trump" even though a significant percent do support Trump. Yet, for some reason, I have never ever seen you objecting to those posts. Interesting that you decide to object when Israel comes up.

because that would be a supremely stupid thing to say given the plethora of polling data. I don't think I've ever seen it.

Just choose words that mean what you want to convey. It's not that difficult.

You're wrong.

33% of Palestinian respondents support a two-state solution and 34% of Israelis, so more than "no one." That is down from the previous result of 43%. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230730-new-poll-shows-decline-in-support-for-two-state-solution-amongst-palestinians-israelis/

The numbers have dropped with protracted conflict.

So I am correct that it will not happen, despite the technical language police who are out tonight.

It is not what Harris and the Democratic party want. They want peace, while you think the solution is what?

Harris has not said what specifically what she wants.

At the debate and in her interview with CNN she said she supported a negotiated ceasefire and a two state solution. You haven't said what your solution is. You obviously don't want peace. So what's the alternative?

That is not original. And all have failed. All. The alternative is a no state solution. Egypt used to own Gaza. Let them have it back. Jordan used to own most of the West Bank. Let them have it back.

I think Jordan and Egypt do though, if I'm not mistaken.

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...whether the majority of Israelis want a two-state solution is irrelevant.

We can maintain the status quo, with millions of Palestinian Arabs living under occupation and denied full participation as Israeli citizens. (Or Israel can formally annex Gaza and the West Bank, which would shift the demographics of Israel to the point that it would hard for the country to declare itself both a democracy and a Jewish state. This assumes that Israel is unwilling to expel large numbers of civilians from those territories; I suspect the majority of Israeli people would oppose this, but I can't say that about the present Israeli government.)

Or a two-state solution can be found.

In no way do I think this is an easy thing to do. I fully understand the culpability of Hamas in the present situation, that there are groups in the region that want Israel itself destroyed, and that a large proportion of the Israeli population within the UN-recognized borders is uninterested in a two-state solution. But a two-state solution should still be the ultimate goal from the standpoint of human rights.

They're main goal is to turn Lebanon into another Iran. (Lebanon is mandated to have a Christians, Sunni's, Druze and Shia's in a certain proportion of the government. So, I don't think they're having much luck with that)

Hezbollah started in 1982 to fight Israel in Lebanon, but a two state solution will not do anything about Hezbollah. They have been a major influence on Hamas, but they are not based on Gaza. They have infiltrated the West Bank, but they are based on Lebanon.

They blew up the US Marine barracks in 1982.

I think they mainly just want to terrorize Israel at this point.

whether that's the case, I can't say. As herculean as it is, settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would go a long way to restoring peace in the region with other elements as well, don't you think? I realize I'm speaking hypothetically here.

This has been going on forever.

Gaza is just a cover for their activities. Prior to Oct 7th, the Palestinians in Lebanon had the worst treatment of all Palestinians. They are stuck in camps where they are denied medical care. Lebanon does not want them there because they are Sunnis.

That sucks for the Palestinians. Everything sucks for Palestinians.

OTOH: They started the original Middle East terrorism in the 1960's.

Sirhan Sirhan (who is Christian by the way) shot Bobby Kennedy in retaliation.

The first terrorist group was mixed Christian and Muslim with Christian leadership. Eventually they became Islamic groups.


In 1989, Sirhan told British journalist David Frost: "My only connection with Robert Kennedy was his sole support of Israel and his deliberate attempt to send those 50 fighter jets to Israel to obviously do harm to the Palestinians."[3] Some scholars believe that the assassination was the first major incident of political violence in the United States stemming from the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (Sirhan carried out the attack on the first anniversary of the 1967 Arab–Israeli War), though it occurred at a time when the American public was overwhelmingly focused on the Vietnam War.[4]

A motive cited for Sirhan's actions is the Middle East conflict.[39] After his arrest, Sirhan said, "I can explain it. I did it for my country."[39] Sirhan believed that he was deliberately betrayed by Kennedy's support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War,[40] which had begun exactly one year before the date of the assassination. During a search of Sirhan's apartment after his arrest, a spiral-bound notebook was found containing a diary entry that demonstrated that his anger had gradually fixated on Kennedy, who had promised to send 50 fighter jets to Israel if elected president. Sirhan's journal entry of May 18, 1968, read: "My determination to eliminate R.F.K. is becoming the more and more [sic] of an unshakable obsession...Kennedy must die before June 5th."[39] They found other notebooks and diary entries expressing his growing rage at Kennedy; his journals also contained many aphorisms that were thought to be his version of "free writing". He wrote in support of communism: "Long live Communism... I firmly support the communist cause and its people... American capitalism will fall and give way to the worker's dictatorship."[41]

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The six day war was a war of hubris which was started by Egypt. (The Suez Canal also was part of it) Egypt with Arab allies of Jordan and Syria was expected to win. Egypt had this and that. However, Israel hustled and beat the pants out of them. That's when the real problems with the Palestinians started. Prior to that there was issues, but they were mostly local and consisted of guerilla tactics on both sides. The big problem had always been Egypt versus Israel. When Israel won that war, suddenly land that was part of Jordan and Egypt came under Israel's control. Egypt refused to sign a peace treaty, so Israel kept the land, but didn't know what do with the Palestinians.

Hezbollah started firing rockets across into Israel on Oct 8th, a day after the Hamas massacre of Israeli's, so not in response to Israel but in accordance with Hamas

The average pissed off guy with a gun isnt a leader
And the more "top guys" that get taken out, the more SOME of the lower level people will have 2nd thoughts about getting "promoted"

that killed many of my buddies, AFAIC, this POS can rest in piss for eternity.
Great job Israel.

elsewhere shortly before that attack. Just missed being one of the casualties of the bombing.

I'm so glad your cousin missed it, there but for the grace of god go I.

That is all.

I don't think many people are buying that as the principle reason.

But I don't care what the principle reason was. I am glad he is dead however long it took.

and possibly start a wider war.

I guess you missed that news.

...after almost a year, after thousands of Hezbollah rockets are fired at them

the principle reason is to disrupt their C&C by taking out senior terrorist commanders and create chaos within the terrorist high command.

Good fucking riddance to a fucking terrorist and those other terrorists who were killed with him.