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FightFight

(234 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:35 PM Oct 2024

Democrats suspect Netanyahu attempting to tilt Trump-Harris race

Source: thehill

Democrats increasingly suspect Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to interfere in U.S. domestic politics by ignoring President Biden’s calls to negotiate a peace deal in Gaza and by confronting Hezbollah and Iran weeks before the U.S. election.

The rapidly escalating confrontation between Israel, Hezbollah and Hezbollah’s ally, Iran, has undercut Biden’s efforts to achieve peace through diplomacy.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4914933-netanyahu-gaza-hezbollah-interference/

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Democrats suspect Netanyahu attempting to tilt Trump-Harris race (Original Post) FightFight Oct 2024 OP
No doubt in my mind. bluestarone Oct 2024 #1
Oil OrangeJoe Oct 2024 #34
Yes. Israel begged for 150 bombs to come to their jimfields33 Oct 2024 #35
NO DOUBT here either! vapor2 Oct 2024 #37
Ya think? BeyondGeography Oct 2024 #2
People better wake up and think about America before they defer their thoughts to Israel. walkingman Oct 2024 #3
We all knew this Owens Oct 2024 #4
No doubt in my mind the day it leaked that he'd met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. hlthe2b Oct 2024 #5
Exactly, and this meeting should be brought up slightlv Oct 2024 #24
Um, it's Certain Radical Christian Groups, Not All Religious people. Certainly not the Jews of Israel electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #43
Granted... it's what's now called the NAR. slightlv Oct 2024 #44
No Problemo! 👍 I've heard about these Middle East Apocalyptic wanting RW Christians for a few decades... electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #46
Never heard of the Ultra-Orthodox Right Wing whathehell Oct 2024 #54
I sure know about the Ultra Orthodox Jews of Israel, and propping up Bibi; but I didn't think they were into the.. electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #56
Lol..No Apocalyptic scenario needed. whathehell Oct 2024 #59
Suspect? joanbarnes Oct 2024 #6
asshole wants to stay out of jail... bahboo Oct 2024 #7
That theory falls apart quickly. former9thward Oct 2024 #8
It would be right if Kamala was to remember Nuttinyahoo and his behavior RainCaster Oct 2024 #9
Boost!!! wolfie001 Oct 2024 #10
No shit ... Intractable Oct 2024 #11
I've been saying this for some time. I just hope people are smart enough to see through it. Autumn Oct 2024 #12
He's Israel's trump PSPS Oct 2024 #13
My first thought Linda ladeewolf Oct 2024 #14
Both tRump & Netanyahu are criminals under indictment with self-preservation motivations. tRump wants to self-pardon. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2024 #15
I take even a larger step... FormerOstrich Oct 2024 #16
This is way out there in far left field, slightlv Oct 2024 #25
Well, cut off the weapons. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #17
It goes without saying to me. There is absolutely no doubt Bev54 Oct 2024 #18
I agree. But also, Netanyahu is in general, a dickwad, and doesn't want to give up power (he was on the edge of SWBTATTReg Oct 2024 #19
Sow the wind, Bibi... n/t TygrBright Oct 2024 #20
Who will reap the whirlwind? Autumn Oct 2024 #30
Children in the Middle East OrangeJoe Oct 2024 #36
💧💧💧 mahina Oct 2024 #40
Yup. He's corrupt as hell. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #21
Duh. sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #22
In other news..... Lulu KC Oct 2024 #23
So . . . . no_hypocrisy Oct 2024 #26
No shit Sherlock. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2024 #27
If Putin Can, Why Not Him?? The Roux Comes First Oct 2024 #28
Not just Democrats and not just Netanyahu. ancianita Oct 2024 #29
Hmmmm BrianTheEVGuy Oct 2024 #58
Yes. ancianita Oct 2024 #60
Fascists tend to stick together kevink077 Oct 2024 #31
Pull their funding. 33taw Oct 2024 #32
AIPAC OrangeJoe Oct 2024 #38
Huh they're just realizing it now ! kimbutgar Oct 2024 #33
Also, rain suspected of wetness. mahina Oct 2024 #39
I don't know enough about Israeli politics, but you Have Seen the Gigantic Israeli Demos vids against Bibi posted here electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #45
Yes, thank you, heart's with them! mahina Oct 2024 #48
Me, too! electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #49
Suspect edhopper Oct 2024 #41
No suspect about it orangecrush Oct 2024 #42
Obviously anyone who speaks ill of Netanyahu must be a pro-Hamas antisemite Orrex Oct 2024 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2024 #50
Wait until November 6. MadMike47 Oct 2024 #51
Of course he is Figarosmom Oct 2024 #52
Why don't Democrats get ahead of this LiberalLovinLug Oct 2024 #53
Netanyahu bull$hitted to SECSTATE Blinken and D/CIA Burns. Smells like 1980 GOP tactics to weaken Carter. C0RI0LANUS Oct 2024 #55
Not everything is about the USA BrianTheEVGuy Oct 2024 #57
No duh, Sherlock. Honestly, why do we even support Netanyahu? It has done no good for the US tornado34jh Oct 2024 #61
It's as obvious as the nose on my face. lark Oct 2024 #62
He's always been in the tank for Trump. The Wizard Oct 2024 #63
Where there's smoke, there's fire. no_hypocrisy Oct 2024 #64
If they are trying that nonsense, it ain't gonna work. valleyrogue Oct 2024 #65

OrangeJoe

(452 posts)
34. Oil
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:04 PM
Oct 2024

Just wait until the IDF takes out the Iranian oil producing facilities and gas jumps another .50 a gallon. Biden asked BiBi not to do it. I like Joe but he’s got to get tougher with BiBi, but of course that risks inciting the $$rath$$ of AIPAC.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
35. Yes. Israel begged for 150 bombs to come to their
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:05 PM
Oct 2024

land from Iran. Yes they definitely wanted october 7th. That’s ridiculous. Israel doesn’t my attack unless someone attacks them.

walkingman

(8,749 posts)
3. People better wake up and think about America before they defer their thoughts to Israel.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 04:53 PM
Oct 2024

Without a steady leader in the US the world could easily become just another autocratic government which would be a terrible for Democracies around the world.

We cannot elect a person to be the most powerful leader on the planet that we would not even want to expose our children to.

Netanyahu is just a more articulate Trump.

hlthe2b

(107,531 posts)
5. No doubt in my mind the day it leaked that he'd met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:22 PM
Oct 2024

Last edited Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:07 PM - Edit history (1)

slightlv

(4,668 posts)
24. Exactly, and this meeting should be brought up
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:26 PM
Oct 2024

in the media with every interview and story about bibi. Not only does he want his good friend, trump, back in office... he wants the cover trump can give him while he starts WWIII, which the religious right sees as their dream of the Apocalypse finally happening.

bibi is no friend of the US, and I doubt a whole lot of people see him as a friend of Israel. He's done way too much over the years that can be called into account. And is just one more autocrat that the world has to play whack-a-mole against.

electric_blue68

(19,569 posts)
43. Um, it's Certain Radical Christian Groups, Not All Religious people. Certainly not the Jews of Israel
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:47 PM
Oct 2024

slightlv

(4,668 posts)
44. Granted... it's what's now called the NAR.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:55 PM
Oct 2024

Sorry I didn't stipulate better. Marbles sometimes bounce around in my head on their own accord. I only catch up afterwards!

electric_blue68

(19,569 posts)
46. No Problemo! 👍 I've heard about these Middle East Apocalyptic wanting RW Christians for a few decades...
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:03 PM
Oct 2024

So it's an irritating (and potentially dangerous under "perfect storm" conditions) issue for me.

electric_blue68

(19,569 posts)
56. I sure know about the Ultra Orthodox Jews of Israel, and propping up Bibi; but I didn't think they were into the..
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:57 AM
Oct 2024

Apocalyptic scenario!

Will read. 👍

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
8. That theory falls apart quickly.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:59 PM
Oct 2024

His trial has been and is proceeding. It has not stopped because of the war. U.S. courts are slow but Israeli courts are very slow. Not only that but the charges against Netanyahu would not typically result in a jail sentence.

RainCaster

(11,841 posts)
9. It would be right if Kamala was to remember Nuttinyahoo and his behavior
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:05 PM
Oct 2024

Just sayin. She will have many options.

Autumn

(46,998 posts)
12. I've been saying this for some time. I just hope people are smart enough to see through it.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:18 PM
Oct 2024

Netanyahu wants' trump in the White House.

Linda ladeewolf

(574 posts)
14. My first thought
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:45 PM
Oct 2024

When he suddenly escalated the war with these attacks is that he wants trump. He’s a fool if he thinks trump will help him. Trump will use him, just like he uses the evilgelicals, and abandon him when he’s through with him and them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(52,062 posts)
15. Both tRump & Netanyahu are criminals under indictment with self-preservation motivations. tRump wants to self-pardon. nt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:48 PM
Oct 2024

FormerOstrich

(2,782 posts)
16. I take even a larger step...
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:53 PM
Oct 2024

in that I thin Iran wants him, too. Right along with North Korea.

I don't buy the alleged roving assassins and think they are intended as cover for their true attempts to interfere in the results.

None of them give diddly about the people of their country. It's all about the power and wealth and control.

Never thought I'd see these days.....

slightlv

(4,668 posts)
25. This is way out there in far left field,
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:30 PM
Oct 2024

but your message brought up something I've wondered about for a while. Iran is Shia. They have their own apocalyptic theory with the "missing mahdi"... I wonder how many of them want to bring on the apocalypse, just like our theocratic right wingers want to do the same thing. They are all cut from the same die; they're all "people of the Book;" and they all have this desperate need to bring on the end of the world. Heaven on earth awaits, don't ya know? /snark

Bev54

(11,953 posts)
18. It goes without saying to me. There is absolutely no doubt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:06 PM
Oct 2024

The problem is the hubris of both of them may well bite them in the ass.

SWBTATTReg

(24,620 posts)
19. I agree. But also, Netanyahu is in general, a dickwad, and doesn't want to give up power (he was on the edge of
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:06 PM
Oct 2024

losing last cycle of elections) but somehow managed to hang in there. IMHO of course.

ancianita

(39,260 posts)
29. Not just Democrats and not just Netanyahu.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:49 PM
Oct 2024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

... A declassified U.S. intelligence report released in December 2023 found with "high confidence" that a "diverse and growing group of foreign actors" including China, Russia, Iran, and Cuba had all interfered in the 2022 midterms with influence campaigns on social media to covertly advance the interests their respective nations, exacerbate social divisions, and sow doubt in democracy, voting, and the result of elections.

U.S. intelligence officials have described the efforts as part of broader efforts by authoritarian nations to use the internet to erode support for democracy...

... In advance of the 2024 election, American intelligence assessments found that Iran had covertly supported college protests against the war in Gaza using social media posing as students and having operatives offer financial assistance. Pro-Israel groups have also spent large sums of money to support pro-Israel candidates against candidates critical of the Israeli government. Jordanian-American journalist Rami George Khouri wrote that "Such aggressive funding campaigns by AIPAC and other pro-Israeli forces may soon be perceived as another dimension of foreign interference in US elections, which has grown as a national concern since 2016."...

September 4, the Department of Justice indicted members of Tenet Media for having received $9.7 million as part of a covert Russian influence operation to co-opt American right-wing influencers to espouse pro-Russian content and conspiracy theories....


We have three letter agency evidence of state-sponsored attacks on democracy through this election.
Not just 'suspicion.' The Hill is good for 'suspicion' headlines that distract Democrats from the Nov 5 prize.
Biden's got this; he knows what Netanyahu's doing.

BrianTheEVGuy

(574 posts)
58. Hmmmm
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:44 AM
Oct 2024
aggressive funding campaigns by AIPAC and other pro-Israeli forces may soon be perceived as another dimension of foreign interference in US elections


AIPAC is an American PAC funded and operated by US citizens. The claim that it is “foreign” is a longtime antisemitic trope, which is why it’s not surprising that someone like Rami Khouri would use it.

ancianita

(39,260 posts)
60. Yes.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 04:39 AM
Oct 2024

Criticisms of AIPAC as a tool of Likud members in Israel are making the rounds.
AIPAC itself insists that its history and leaders speak for it.
More on AIPAC, and an excerpt (editing out source numbers for readability) that shows a few Democratic leaders' historical connections to it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

...In 1959, AZCPA was renamed the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, reflecting a broader membership and mission. [Isaiah L.] Kenen led the organization until his retirement in 1974, when he was succeeded by Morris J. Amitay. According to commentator M.J. Rosenberg, Kenen was "an old-fashioned liberal," who did not seek to win support by donating to campaigns or otherwise influencing elections, but was willing to "play with the hand that is dealt to us."

Rise (1970s to 1980s)
By the 1970s, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations and AIPAC had assumed overall responsibility for Israel-related lobbying within the Jewish communal landscape.
The Conference of Presidents was responsible for speaking to the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, while AIPAC dealt mainly with the Legislative Branch.
Although it had worked effectively behind the scenes since its founding in 1953, AIPAC only became a powerful organization in the 15 years after the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

By the mid-70s, AIPAC had achieved the financial and political clout necessary to sway congressional opinion, according to historian Michael Oren. During this period, AIPAC's budget soared from $300,000 in 1973 to over $7 million during its peak years of influence in the late 1980s.
Whereas Kenen had come out of the Zionist movement, with early staff pulled from the longtime activists among the Jewish community, AIPAC had evolved into a prototypical Washington-based lobbying and consulting firm. Leaders and staffers were recruited from legislative staff and lobbyists with direct experience with the federal bureaucracy.Confronted with opposition from both houses of Congress, United States President Gerald Ford rescinded his 'reassessment.'"

George Lenczowski notes a similar, mid-1970s timeframe for the rise of AIPAC power: "It [the Jimmy Carter presidency] also coincides with the militant emergence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as a major force in shaping American policy toward the Middle East."..

...AIPAC scored two major victories in the early 1980s that established its image among political candidates as an organization "not to be trifled with" and set the pace for "a staunchly pro-Israel" Congress over the next three decades.
In 1982, activists affiliated with AIPAC in Skokie, Illinois, backed Richard J. Durbin to oust U.S. Representative Paul Findley (R-Illinois), who had shown enthusiasm for PLO leader Yasir Arafat.
In 1984, Senator Charles H. Percy (R-Illinois), then-chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a supporter of a deal to allow Saudi Arabia to buy sophisticated airborne early warning and control (AWAC) military planes was defeated by Democrat Paul Simon.
Simon was asked by Robert Asher, an AIPAC board member in Chicago, to run against Percy...

----- fast forward --

In February 2019, freshman U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar (D-Minnesota), one of the first two Muslim women (along with Rashida Tlaib) to serve in Congress, tweeted that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy's (R-California) support for Israel was “all about the Benjamins” (i.e. about the money). The next day, she clarified that she meant AIPAC.
Omar later apologized but also made another statement attacking "political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” The statements aroused anger among AIPAC supporters, but also vocal support among the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and "revived a fraught debate" in American politics over whether AIPAC has too much influence over American policy in the Middle East, while highlighting the deterioration of some relationships between progressive Democrats and pro-Israel organizations.
On March 6, 2019, the Democratic leadership put forth a resolution on the House floor condemning anti-Semitism, which was broadened to condemn bigotry against a wide variety of groups before it passed on March 7....


Good morning.

OrangeJoe

(452 posts)
38. AIPAC
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:09 PM
Oct 2024

Congress is terrified of getting on AIPAC’s crosshairs. Nobody wants to get primaried by an opponent with millions of AIPAC dollars in the campaign coffer.

kimbutgar

(23,917 posts)
33. Huh they're just realizing it now !
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:53 PM
Oct 2024

Bibi is an a hole like the orange menace. Birds of a feather flock together.

I am not anti Jewish just anti BiBi N.

mahina

(19,289 posts)
39. Also, rain suspected of wetness.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:10 PM
Oct 2024

What will it take for a decent Israeli citizens to get rid of this monster?

electric_blue68

(19,569 posts)
45. I don't know enough about Israeli politics, but you Have Seen the Gigantic Israeli Demos vids against Bibi posted here
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:57 PM
Oct 2024

...on DU?
Massive numbers!

Orrex

(64,548 posts)
47. Obviously anyone who speaks ill of Netanyahu must be a pro-Hamas antisemite
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:18 PM
Oct 2024

I mean, that's been the arc for the last year or so.

MadMike47

(125 posts)
51. Wait until November 6.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 11:27 PM
Oct 2024

One month from now and one day after the election. That's the day that Joe Biden tells Netanyahu to go shit in his hat. Joe has nothing left to lose.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,389 posts)
53. Why don't Democrats get ahead of this
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:16 AM
Oct 2024

Accuse him of it in public, and condemn him in the following minute for putting his own people at unnecessary risk. As well as many others. Tell Israel they must have new elections and that the US will only deal with a leader who is open to a negotiated peace settlement immediately.

The GOP will not be able to help themselves and overreact in criticism. Then if Bibi does escalate, the GOP will have little leg to stand on, as it is their man in charge, and Dems wanted a change.

C0RI0LANUS

(2,583 posts)
55. Netanyahu bull$hitted to SECSTATE Blinken and D/CIA Burns. Smells like 1980 GOP tactics to weaken Carter.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:44 AM
Oct 2024

Besides enfeebling the otherwise competent Biden Administration, Netanyahu is denying Pres. Biden one last diplomatic victory before he leaves the White House: A ceasefire and a release of the hostages. Crime Minister Netanyahu wants Trump to win and he also doesn't care if he tarnishes Joe Biden's legacy. And war keeps delaying Bibi's nettlesome bribery and corruption trial in Jerusalem.

Please see my post on 13 Sep: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219458390

Meet the Republikud Party.

BrianTheEVGuy

(574 posts)
57. Not everything is about the USA
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:41 AM
Oct 2024

We, as a country, have a bad habit of centering everything on us and our politics rather than viewing ourselves as just one actor on the world stage. This article is a great example of that ideation.

tornado34jh

(1,342 posts)
61. No duh, Sherlock. Honestly, why do we even support Netanyahu? It has done no good for the US
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:06 AM
Oct 2024

We need to stop supporting Netanyahu because I think he is a backstabber. He has been like this since the Obama administration. It's been obvious that he wants Trump in office. I'm not sure why they are only now figuring that out. The Likud party's ideology specifically calls for territorial maximalism through military force.

lark

(24,458 posts)
62. It's as obvious as the nose on my face.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:09 AM
Oct 2024

Bibi is part of the wannabe oligarch grifter club, as is tcf. Hurting others for their own profit is both of their motos.

The Wizard

(13,023 posts)
63. He's always been in the tank for Trump.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 07:22 AM
Oct 2024

Remember when he named a piece of land as Trump Heights?

valleyrogue

(1,362 posts)
65. If they are trying that nonsense, it ain't gonna work.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:09 AM
Oct 2024

Trump is toast. Other countries better accept it.

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