Repubes are all-in on it

They just want it done on the down low. A core tenet of Christianity is "convert or die" and has been from the very beginning. I mean they didn't spend the last 2000 years invading countries and murdering millions of people for no reason.

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the Christian sects.

The ABC branch of Baptists has a group endorsed by the church leadership that actively opposes Christian Nationalism.
Their opposition to it is based on the core Baptist belief that faith cannot be forced or imposed from the outside. It must be freely chosen, which is why they baptize adults into membership and not infants. They strongly defend religious freedom AND the right to have no religion.

Calvinist-based denominations (Presbyterian, Amish, Mennonites, Reformed Churches), even the ones that practiced state religion in the past, oppose government enforced religion in the US today. The Amish and some branches of Mennonites are apolitical. They do not get involved in politics and do not proselytize.

The largest branch of Presbyterians (PCUSA) are theologically and socially liberal. They respect the right of people to follow their own beliefs or to have no belief. The same is true of the largest branch of Lutherans, the ELCA.

Those churches and others operate immigration programs that provide sponsorship, free legal assistance, language interpretation, and adjustment programs for immigrants. They also operate missions at the southern border to provide food, clothing, and legal help for asylum seekers who are let into the US. They aid people of all backgrounds and religions and do not require joining the churches that help them. Bringing immigrants and asylum seekers into the US is counter to nationalism and especially to Christian Nationalism.

During the Nazi era in Germany, when Nazis infiltrated church councils in order to influence the churches to embrace German nationalism under the name of the German Christian Church, large numbers of Reformed and Lutheran pastors broke away and formed the Confessing Church (meaning faith-based, not politically based) in opposition to the German nationalist church. Some of their members were involved in resistance groups. They helped people escape Nazism. They called Hitler and the German Christian Church blasphemous for their worshiplike veneration of Hitler.

Lutheran Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was executed in a concentration camp for his resistance activities. Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemoller survived several camps and lived to 1984. He is the author of "First they came for the Socialists.... "

Swiss Reformed Pastor Karl Barth was responsible for writing a declaration that rejected the Nazi influence on German Churches, which became the founding document for the Confessing Church (opponents of the German nationalist church). He mailed the document to Hitler and was forced to resign from his teaching position in Germany and return to Switzerland.

To paint entire groups of people with a broad brush. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a pastor.

Once again, this group of RW zealots usurped the name of another group to appear as if they are in cahoots. The Nazis of the Bannon ilk have no link to christianity, except when they can use the name for marketing porpoises.

Good.

These guys have had decades to push back against the Christian Nationalist. They've let the Falwells set the tone and agenda and they just tagged along. And now that there is push back, now the the country knows what the crazies are up to, NOW they push back. And where is the church leadership in all this? Welcome to the party after it's almost over, PAL!

And welcome to DU.

too bad you waited until the water was boiling, froggies

He was establishing a policy of separation of Church and State 2000 years ago.
So, what's to interpret?

Christian Nationalists simply aren't Christians at all.

CINOs? 😂

...10% select picks from the well-stocked God myth buffet.

Robertson, Falwell et al. Even though many among the mainstream denominations have been actively supporting Civil Rights, Peace, Inclusion, and other progressive issues.
It is true that the RW Xian Nationalists gave been loudly outspoken, but this does not excuse either lazy journalism or weak-ass polling efforts.

the loudest, most screechy voices and most violent of groups is the one that gets the most attention. It's been that way since forever, as far as I can tell. We've got way too much testosterone in the ruling (RWM) class.

It's about time. First, Christianity got hijacked by the Republicans who preened and postured and pressed it into service against those godless commies. Then millennial fever took over and it got really, really silly. And now that the fever has broken, the KIlanners and their brethren have hijacked it. It's just a wonder it has lasted as the majority belief system this long as a tool of sanctimonious frauds with boundless ambition.

The "Nones" are just rejecting exactly the same people Jesus did. I hope it turns out better for them.

We're both in our early 70s and went to the same Catholic schools, K-12. She was in church (Catholic) on Sunday and after the sermon, the priest made a comment about the upcoming election. He advised the congregation to "Vote pro-life, NOT pro-choice."

should have seen his tax-free existence taxed to the maximum level. They really want it both ways -- to be political advocates, while claiming to be religious-only, non partisan, preachers. Oh, for Christ to come back and throw THESE moneychangers from their pulpits!

Jesus wouldn’t support a priest preaching what he knows about politics and its material-World political elections.

The pushback would be (under those rules) humble Christians who think Christ is to be believed about keeping politics and religion separate will reject that church and priest.

He’s shown himself to be a rascal, and a smaller congregation is the result.

In a dictatorship, nobody is safe. Nobody.

Jim Wallis who was spiritual advisor to President Obama and teaches at Georgetown University has done a great job of exposing how White Christian Nationalists take tremendous liberties in pushing hate while ignoring the bulk of the bible that address such topics as providing aid to the poor.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/us/evangelical-christianity-false-white-gospel-wallis-cec/index.html

And they welcome me the ex Catholic, atheist, agnostic on the few occasions I go with her.

They have a female pastor and are probably as close to the actual teachings of Christ as anyone.

While I don't think I will ever be a believer if I did change my mind that is were I would probably go.

It showed clips of Billy Graham telling us warnings from the Bible; interspersed with clips of trump. fitting each warning.

Have someone else; preferably a well know evangelical, recite those warnings & make the same ad.
Cant believe Graham isnt considered "public domain"

but it's hard to keep track of the dozens and dozens of groups who are doing ads and then try to get them posted here on DU.

I try but I can't get them all.

-- the most sinful, corrupt, immoral, irreligious POtuS ever to poison American politics.

So, the denominations themselves are silent. Quelle suprise.

The RCC has been preaching anti-abortion absolutism in Mass for DECADES, essentially aligning the Church with the Republican Party.