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BumRushDaShow

(142,233 posts)
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 04:21 PM Oct 8

'Uncommitted' group says Trump would be worse for Palestinians

Source: The Hill

10/08/24 3:30 PM ET


The “Uncommitted” National Movement – a pro-Palestinian political group opposing the Biden administration’s support for Israel – encouraged its followers to back Vice President Harris’s presidential bid over former President Trump’s, less than one month ahead of Election Day.

The group stopped short of issuing a formal endorsement of the Democratic nominee, but in a video posted Tuesday on social media, the group’s co-founder, Lexi Zeidan, outlined the reasons she thinks Trump would be worse for the group’s anti-war agenda than Harris would be.

Zeidan painted the election next month as a binary choice, saying in the video, “Who will be elected in November is clear: It’s Trump or it’s Harris.”

“And we have to orient less towards who is the better candidate and more towards what is the better anti-war approach in building our collective power,” Zeidan continued. “It’s clear [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu will be doing everything in his power to get Trump elected, and we have to do everything in our power to stop him.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/international/4922430-uncommitted-group-back-harris/

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'Uncommitted' group says Trump would be worse for Palestinians (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 8 OP
It's a very good step, but a full on endorsement would've been better Walleye Oct 8 #1
"Trump would be worse for Palestinians" Wednesdays Oct 8 #2
Shorter version: OilemFirchen Oct 8 #3
Well hallelujah! sheshe2 Oct 8 #4
Don't put them down. Yoyoyo77 Oct 8 #5
It is hard to make the compromises a democratic society requires when your blood relatives are affected DBoon Oct 8 #6
I'm sorry. They have treated Biden terribly. LeftInTX Oct 8 #8
Proof please. canuckledragger Oct 8 #9
They call him Genocide Joe. Why are you defending them? They are Jill Stein supporters. LeftInTX Oct 8 #12
I'm talking about the other claims made without proof. canuckledragger Oct 8 #13
Do you have proof that they support Democrats? LeftInTX Oct 8 #14
That's not how this works. canuckledragger Oct 8 #15
Quit harrassing me! Most of them do not have relatives in Gaza! LeftInTX Oct 9 #17
Asking for clarity or factual proof of a claim isn't 'harrassing' anything. canuckledragger Oct 9 #23
You called me a liar. LeftInTX Oct 9 #24
I asked for you to provide proof of things things you claimed about the protestors. canuckledragger Oct 9 #25
I didn't say there were all white. I said many were white. LeftInTX Oct 9 #29
Code Pink is a useful idiot FBI front group. 617Blue Oct 9 #20
Thank you! BaronChocula Oct 9 #18
Unless they pay. Lots. Then he'll be so nice. Lord, he'll be lovey dovey. Turbineguy Oct 8 #7
No shit, Sherlock nt Geechie Oct 8 #10
Of course Harris is better than Trump. Trump basically told Bibi to nuke Gaza! SunSeeker Oct 8 #11
Did they tell Rashida Tlaib to GFAD? 4lbs Oct 9 #16
That's good jfz9580m Oct 9 #19
Bottom line: This statement will result in Harris winning votes she might not otherwise have gotten Tom Rinaldo Oct 9 #21
Agreed jfz9580m Oct 9 #28
Then I have to wonder what the effort was about onandup Oct 9 #22
There's always a 3rd party....................... Lovie777 Oct 9 #26
No shit Sherlock we can do it Oct 9 #27
They finally came to their senses & realized the Con onetexan Oct 9 #30
Welcome back to the real world, friends. Happy Hoosier Oct 9 #31

OilemFirchen

(7,161 posts)
3. Shorter version:
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 04:38 PM
Oct 8

"Our tiny group of anti-democratic attention-seekers hasn't proven as lucrative as we had hoped. Perhaps an epiphany?"

sheshe2

(87,464 posts)
4. Well hallelujah!
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 04:39 PM
Oct 8

Dawn breaks over Marblehead. He has stated clearly that he will wipe out Gaza. Are they just now paying attention, FFS!

Yoyoyo77

(299 posts)
5. Don't put them down.
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 05:23 PM
Oct 8

Remember that a lot of these folks have relatives and friends in Gaza or the west bank. I think that this a matter of past overreactions from both parties leading to one sides overreaction leading to carnage which eventually leads to another act of carnage from the other side. Without a settlement for both peoples to live peacefully in their own lands it could go on forever.

DBoon

(23,052 posts)
6. It is hard to make the compromises a democratic society requires when your blood relatives are affected
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 05:27 PM
Oct 8

Being willing to back the better but not perfect alternative is a step forward.

LeftInTX

(29,996 posts)
8. I'm sorry. They have treated Biden terribly.
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 08:36 PM
Oct 8

They have treated many people terribly. Most do not have relatives in Gaza! Many are white people. Just got done talking with a white guy the other night. He called Kamala Republican Lite.

canuckledragger

(1,925 posts)
13. I'm talking about the other claims made without proof.
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 11:45 PM
Oct 8

Assumptions are not proof, no matter how strongly one feels about them.

canuckledragger

(1,925 posts)
15. That's not how this works.
Tue Oct 8, 2024, 11:52 PM
Oct 8

YOU made the claims, it's up to YOU to provide the proof of them.

And your response still doesn't address the claims you made without proof in your original post: " They don't even have relatives in Gaza!!!"

LeftInTX

(29,996 posts)
17. Quit harrassing me! Most of them do not have relatives in Gaza!
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 12:26 AM
Oct 9

The heads of those movements in Michigan are Lebanese!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that's the head of the movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Hammoud
In 2024, Hammoud declined an invitation to meet with Biden campaign officials prior to the 2024 United States presidential election, due to the Biden administration's stance on the Israel-Hamas war. Explaining his decision on X, Hammoud wrote "I will not entertain conversations about elections while we watch a live-streamed genocide backed by our government."[18]

According to The Washington Post, Hammoud was approached by Jill Stein, 2012 and 2016 presidential nominee for the Green Party, to be her running mate for her 2024 presidential campaign. Hammoud, however, would not meet the age requirement by January 20, 2025, the date of the next presidential inauguration as required under the U.S. Constitution.[19]

Abbas Alawieh, another leader is Lebanese https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/power/2024/08/21/abbas-alawieh-delegate-gaza-dnc/

Another leader is Jewish.
Dean Phillips is also Jewish.
Tlaib is the only Palestinian and her relatives are in the West Bank.

You give me names of the thousands of uncommitted who are Palestinian.
We don't have that many Palestinians in the US.

canuckledragger

(1,925 posts)
23. Asking for clarity or factual proof of a claim isn't 'harrassing' anything.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 08:55 AM
Oct 9

You made a lot of broad, questionable statements in your first post about the protesters, attacking their families, their skin tones, etc.

I'm the furthest thing from a Jill Stein supporter, I think She's a grifter and russian asset, but there's ample proof available that supports that opinion of mine, like the picture of her and other prominent republicans sitting at a dinner table with Putin.

Making claims about people with nothing to back those claims up though, brings up questions about the honesty of the person making those claims.

canuckledragger

(1,925 posts)
25. I asked for you to provide proof of things things you claimed about the protestors.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 09:19 AM
Oct 9

Like that they don't have any relatives in Gaza, or that they're ALL white.

Can you prove this? if not...

LeftInTX

(29,996 posts)
29. I didn't say there were all white. I said many were white.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 09:42 AM
Oct 9

Most of them are not Palestinian, so they don't have relatives in Gaza.

Around here, most of them are Latino. A local Methodist pastor is a white dude.
The young guy I spoke to the other day was white.
Lots of white people are cosplaying with keffiyehs.

I live in a city that's 70% Latino.






Maria Turvin, founder of Yanawana Herbolarios and now using the name Mazatl Cihuatl, led chants within the San Antonio City Council chambers earlier this month, shutting down the evening meeting for a time.. If you don't know what Yanawana Herbolarios means, I cannot help you. But it isn't Arabic!

617Blue

(1,612 posts)
20. Code Pink is a useful idiot FBI front group.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:02 AM
Oct 9

Funny how a Code Pink nitwit always get a choice seat on camera at congressional hearings. Hmm....

BaronChocula

(2,517 posts)
18. Thank you!
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 03:42 AM
Oct 9

A lot of the "them-ing" going on within this progressive site with zero expressed empathy has seemed very maga-ish to me. I have friends I just don't want to talk to anymore because the simplistic generalizations they make about people who have every right to be upset and have had much to discuss within their community. Not to mention the gross mischaracterizations.

I suspected all along there would be this moment where a favorable consensus would be reached. But I would never insult someone's judgment while they were grieving.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
16. Did they tell Rashida Tlaib to GFAD?
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 12:08 AM
Oct 9

GFAD when I was growing up was an acronym that stood for "Go F*** A Duck"

Tom Rinaldo

(23,012 posts)
21. Bottom line: This statement will result in Harris winning votes she might not otherwise have gotten
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 07:13 AM
Oct 9

Clearly a net positive. I hope it is widely shared on campuses etc. No doubt some of what it says will bother many Harris supporters. But that is not who this is aimed at

jfz9580m

(15,488 posts)
28. Agreed
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 09:40 AM
Oct 9

I generally stay away from war related topics since I rarely have anything sensible to contribute (I don’t follow wars..a deliberate choice since instead I follow much neglected environmental issues most people ignore..one really only has so much mental energy) and so I try not to inflame passions beyond sympathy re suffering on all sides.

But this is net good.

 

onandup

(701 posts)
22. Then I have to wonder what the effort was about
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 08:49 AM
Oct 9

I assumed the intent was to demonstrate the potential lost votes for Biden should there not be a significant change in policy toward Israel.

onetexan

(13,896 posts)
30. They finally came to their senses & realized the Con
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 09:45 AM
Oct 9

Is an existential threat to the middle east & US. Of course to the world order as well.
I hope their members w actually vote. 🌊🇺🇸

Happy Hoosier

(8,384 posts)
31. Welcome back to the real world, friends.
Wed Oct 9, 2024, 11:09 AM
Oct 9

I hope we can defeat Trump together and then coordinate for a just peace in the Middle East.

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