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riversedge

(73,123 posts) Thu Oct 17, 2024, 01:57 AM Oct 17

Ukraine-Russia latest: Zelensky's 'victory plan' includes joining Nato as Australia pledge 49 Abrams tanks

Source: independent.co.uk

Zelensky’s plan to end war includes bolstering Ukraine’s capability to reclaim territory and ‘to bring the war back to Russia’

Alex Croft Arpan Rai 23 minutes ago

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has unveiled the much-anticipatedfive-point “victory plan” which he says could bring an end to the war by the end of next year.

An invitation to join Nato and specific weapons support from western allies sits front-and-centre of Kyiv’s plan, which Zelensky discussed with the US, UK, France, Italy and Germany leaders in a whirlwind tour.

The plan’s third point calls for a non-nuclear deterrence mechanism with the power to destroy Russia’s military, Zelensky told the members of Ukrainian parliament on Wednesday morning.

Zelensky said there is a secret addendum to the third point, which he could not disclose.

In renewed Western aid to Kyiv, Australia is sending dozens of soon-to-be-replaced Abrams tanks to Ukraine as part of a new military support package worth $245m (£126m)......................

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-putin-zelensky-victory-plan-north-korea-b2630663.html

I like this idea. The men and women of Ukraine have been willing to fight-and die
but they need much support from all the free countries.

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Ukraine-Russia latest: Zelensky's 'victory plan' includes joining Nato as Australia pledge 49 Abrams tanks (Original Post) riversedge Oct 17 OP

It's going to take more than 49 tanks to push Russia out.. maxsolomon Oct 17 #1

Two big problems with NATO extending an invitation to Ukraine to join. LudwigPastorius Oct 17 #2

Supposedly the North Koreans are sending troops Red Mountain Oct 17 #3

To be fair, NK owes both China and Russia big time. Xolodno Oct 17 #4

maxsolomon

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1. It's going to take more than 49 tanks to push Russia out..

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2024, 11:49 AM

Oct 17

What is "a non-nuclear deterrence mechanism with the power to destroy Russia’s military"?

NATO?

LudwigPastorius

(10,785 posts)

2. Two big problems with NATO extending an invitation to Ukraine to join.

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2024, 02:59 PM

Oct 17

All 32 member states must approve the invitation (which isn't going to happen while the country is in the midst of a war), and,...

if Ukraine were to join, Article 5 would be triggered, immediately leading to all member states being at war with Russia.

Red Mountain

(1,880 posts)

3. Supposedly the North Koreans are sending troops

Reply to riversedge (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2024, 03:11 PM

Oct 17

If that happens, things are going to get interesting.

And I mean that in a bad way.

Xolodno

(6,687 posts)

4. To be fair, NK owes both China and Russia big time.

Reply to Red Mountain (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 17, 2024, 10:40 PM

Oct 17

They even tried to get NK to eliminate their nuclear program. Not so much now, that's a different topic for discussion.

China sent "volunteer" troops over the border and to combat air superiority, Russia sent in pilots and planes we weren't sure that even existed during the Korean war. They spoke Korean for a couple of weeks, then Russian after, it was an open secret.

So it should be no surprise after over a half a century they finally pay the debt they owe. My concern, its what did they promise NK in addition for the troops. As well as Iran for weapons. These transactions are seldom one party.

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