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BumRushDaShow

(142,249 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 12:07 PM Oct 17

US filings for jobless applications see the biggest decline in three months

Source: ABC News/AP

October 17, 2024, 8:42 AM


The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits last week came back down to more recent ranges after a big jump the week before due to hurricanes in the Southeast.

The Labor Department reported Thursday that applications for jobless claims fell by by 19,000 to 241,000 for the week of Oct. 12. That’s well below the 262,000 analysts were expecting.

Applications for jobless benefits are widely considered representative of U.S. layoffs in a given week.

The four-week average of claims, which evens out some of the weekly volatility, rose by 4,750 to 236,250. The total number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose by 9,000 to about 1.87 million for the week of Oct. 5, the most since late July.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-filings-jobless-applications-fall-19000-biggest-decline-114888852



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Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims

Initial claims were 241,000 for the week ending 10/12 (-19,000).

Insured unemployment was 1,867,000 for the week ending 10/5 (+9,000).

https://dol.gov/ui/data.pdf
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8:31 AM · Oct 17, 2024
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US filings for jobless applications see the biggest decline in three months (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 17 OP
I am once again reminded of the various articles I have read. OldBaldy1701E Oct 17 #1
This isn't the Unemployment Rate as a news item BumRushDaShow Oct 17 #2
Ahh. I see. OldBaldy1701E Oct 17 #3
They (Department of Labor) do A LOT of data releases BumRushDaShow Oct 17 #4

OldBaldy1701E

(6,339 posts)
1. I am once again reminded of the various articles I have read.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 02:21 PM
Oct 17

Where certain organizations point out that such claims are not indicative of the real total, because they do not take the whole picture into account This actual number is higher than some folks want to accept, because it ruins the 'low unemployment, everything is rosy' narrative.

When analysts at the Ludwig Institute for Shared Economic Prosperity, a nonprofit research center focused on lower- and middle-income families, measured what they call the "true rate of unemployment" in October, it was 23.6%, more than six times higher than the official number.

Relying exclusively on a flawed metric to measure the "health" of the economy is misleading. Individuals who've given up looking for work aren't even counted as unemployed, while part-time employees or freelancers who might find only one hour of work per week -- financially unsustainable by any standard -- are treated as employed. Millions of others are actually "underemployed," meaning their jobs pay poverty wages or don't make use of their abilities. And then there are the faces behind the curtain: individuals with physical disabilities or restrictions that prevent them from rejoining the labor force, and low-income families, disproportionately Black and Latino, that are left struggling within the weakening social safety net.


https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/low-unemployment-statistics-are-misleading-economic-hardship-is-much-worse/


The unemployment rate gets plenty of media coverage. This ratio represents the percentage of people in the labor force without jobs who’ve been actively looking for work within a four-week period. Many people believe that it’s a good indication of the economy’s overall strength. But others recognize that it has its flaws, as it can miss areas of the market entirely.


https://smartasset.com/career/problems-with-the-unemployment-rate


Things to consider when discussing 'low unemployment'.

BumRushDaShow

(142,249 posts)
2. This isn't the Unemployment Rate as a news item
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 02:50 PM
Oct 17

it is just a count of how many people filed for UE in a particular week (and would be very volatile particularly if you have any disasters like a hurricane, which was mentioned as one of the factors that could impact the numbers).

They release these figures each week.

I.e., if someone is temporarily furloughed or laid off due to whatever (business damage, temporary supply chain issues), then they can apply. Once the underlying issue is resolved, they would be back to work again.

The UE usually comes out the first Friday of a month and has its own calculation for what is included.

OldBaldy1701E

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3. Ahh. I see.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:39 PM
Oct 17

Perhaps I was being a bit hasty then. A weekly statistic would move too much to be indicative of the broader figures I was referring to. My bad.

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