It was Sinwar who planned the Oct. 7 attack.

I fear his death is not an opportunity for peace since Netanyahu still stands in the way, and that man does not want peace.

to take Sinwar's death as an opportunity to release the hostages, for Hamas to surrender and let the bloodshed stop. He termed it "the first day after Hamas."

Regardless of source, here's the text: https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-netanyahus-address-after-killing-of-hamas-terror-chief-yahya-sinwar/

Wow, what a humanitarian. He puts out things like that knowing they will not accept and that's supposed to be taken seriously? He doesn't want peace, that much is clear.

Plus, even if Hamas were to be eliminated, you still have the issue with the Likud party. I don't trust them because I think that they actually want Trump. Unless they stop settlers from going into the West Bank in particular, I don't think that things will change. I also am betting that Hamas will probably try to get someone even more hardline or at least just as much as Sinwar. Quite frankly, it's going to be a never-ending cycle.

It's by no means 1-sided.

And end the war?

Asking for a friend.

The Israeli line when they blow up buildings where innocent civilians are and get killed, is always . . . there was a Bad Guy in there, and we gloriously killed him!

Always the same line. Bad guy dead, collateral damage, who cares about the other deaths?
Those in Palestine and in countries nearby, how do they feel? Agree with Israel or just more determined to destroy Israel?

Israel general messaging: We are the Good Guys here!
Way too glib for my liking.
Their words and actions do not match.

Indeed, a never ending cycle.
Stop the carnage, stop the war!

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And Qatar Hamas leaders can no longer say the can't control Hamas.

I have to say that I find the antisemitism in the replies to this post abhorrent and shameful.

It's been obvious to any rational person that step one in ending the war is the release of the hostages. Those who expect Israel to bend over and surrender to Hamas are delusional. It's not just Netanyahu; it is nearly all Israelis and Jews.

The only way out of the hell that is this war is defeat and surrender. Then, a new Gaza can be created, and maybe even Lebanon can be restored. The big question is, are we on the side of true freedom and democracy or on the side of totalitarian fascism that is the Islamist world of today?

My two cents. Flame away.

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I understand your viewpoint although I don't agree with it, when you say:

"The only way out of the hell that is this war is defeat and surrender."

This war has been happening, on and off, for decades. With periods of unstable peace in between.

A more effective and lasting path to peace needs to be found, and the Dogs of War laid to rest.

People who whitewash the actions of one side while demonising the other side don't help much.

Enough said.

... But, so do many. The real question is how. No one seems to have a clue.

Can you please point to a specific case of antisemitism in this thread, at the time you posted? I may have miss them.

Not agreeing fully with Israeli actions in the region.
(It's 100% defensive action, you must know.)

Questioning the words and motivations of Bibi.

It's meant to shut people up if they question anything in the current complex situation.
It's a trigger word these days. Always has been, I guess.

It's a fine line.

I say give Israel all the equipment and full permission and support to wipe them out.

I will give a damn about anyone in Gaza when the last hostage is released alive, until then we could use a man like Arial Sharon again.

Hamas fighters tend to withdraw when put under pressure, and they will kill any hostages they hold.

So in one way, IDF action is reducing the chance of getting many of the hostages back alive.
They will find hostages, but alive is the question.

I'm also going to guess that Israeli actions are causing a lot of Palestinians and Lebanese to stop ignoring local politics and take sides.
And some may want to put that into action.

Despite Bibi's carefully chosen words, he is just making things worse.
He wants a war that will settle things once and for all.
And he won't get that.

No, I don't know about a clean path forward from here, either.

nobody had the balls that he did .

It was a different generation , no matter their political differences he and Rabin stood together to
defend the county .
After the assassination of Rabin he knew who was to blame .
Thus the disengagement from Gaza .

Nobody could have pulled it off except Arik .