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groundloop

(12,262 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 07:21 AM Oct 18

US to probe Tesla's 'Full Self-Driving' system after pedestrian killed

Source: ABC News

The U.S. government's road safety agency is again investigating Tesla's “Full Self-Driving” system, this time after getting reports of crashes in low-visibility conditions, including one that killed a pedestrian.

The National Highway Safety Administration says in documents that it opened the probe on Thursday with the company reporting four crashes after Teslas entered areas of low visibility, including sun glare, fog and airborne dust.

In addition to the pedestrian's death, another crash involved an injury, the agency said.

Investigators will look into the ability of “Full Self-Driving” to “detect and respond appropriately to reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if so, the contributing circumstances for these crashes.”

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-probe-teslas-full-driving-system-after-pedestrian-114920853



Tesla is the only company working on self-driving vehicles to use only camera sensors, all other companies use radar and laser sensors in addition to cameras to be able to function better in low visibility conditions.
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doc03

(36,697 posts)
8. They appear to also burst into flames on a regular basis too. They should be taken off
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 08:54 AM
Oct 18

the market immediately until they get these problems solved.

Voltaire2

(14,701 posts)
12. nope. That is simply untrue nonsense from our friends the oiligarchs.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 09:54 AM
Oct 18

Strangely enough automobile fires are vastly more common in the vehicles equipped with a large tank of highly flammable gasoline.

EVs have five fires per billion miles traveled, while ICE vehicles have 55 fires per billion. - https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2024/04/21/electric-vehicles-not-guilty-of-excess-short-term-fire-risk-charges/

There is a valid concern over the severity of EV fires. However, this is mostly a training issue for fire departments.

Voltaire2

(14,701 posts)
6. It's hard to decertify something that is not certified.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 07:59 AM
Oct 18

There is currently no federal program that certifies autonomous vehicles.

Some states do have a regulatory framework for autonomous vehicles, but as tesla positions it’s system as an ‘advanced driver assist system’ (as do other manufacturers) they avoid regulation from these states as well.

doc03

(36,697 posts)
7. If Tesla was made by GM (Corvair) or Ford (Pinto) it would have been
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 08:50 AM
Oct 18

taken off the market long ago. I don't want to share the road with a vehicle that may
deliberately crash into me or explode into flames.

truthisfreedom

(23,316 posts)
9. You'll probably want to stay off the road altogether then
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 09:00 AM
Oct 18

According to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), EVs are involved in about 25 fires per 100,000 sold, while gasoline-powered vehicles are involved in about 1,530 fires per 100,000 sold. Hybrid vehicles have an even higher rate of fires, at about 3,475 per 100,000 sold.

Lem1951

(20 posts)
10. Camera ,. No radar
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 09:01 AM
Oct 18

Musk has demanded cuts to cost of production of his cars. One way they have done this is going to cameras vs radar. Cameras cost 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of a radar device. So not able to see in visibility challenging situations.

Voltaire2

(14,701 posts)
13. It wasn't only cost. The Idiot had a brainstorm: humans only need eyes to drive!
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 09:57 AM
Oct 18

And in full megalomaniac mode he commanded it to be so.

It was a really stupid decision that effectively crippled FSD development.

LauraInLA

(1,305 posts)
15. Sadly, our Model 3 (an early one) does have radar in addition to the cameras. I'm not sure I'd be happy with
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 02:19 PM
Oct 18

one that didn’t. However, the cameras on the new cars are sensitive enough that the new cars can park in narrower spaces than ours.

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