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yaesu

(8,360 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 10:11 AM Oct 18

North Korean troops have arrived in Russia to fight Ukraine, says Seoul

Source: Guardian

South Korea’s intelligence agency said on Friday that North Korea has dispatched troops to assist Russia in its war against Ukraine, a development that could intensify the standoff between North Korea and the west.

In a statement on its website, the National Intelligence Service (NIS) said that Russian navy ships transferred 1,500 North Korean special operation forces to the port city of Vladivostok between 8 and 13 October and were now undergoing training.

“The North Korean soldiers … are expected to be deployed to the frontlines as soon as they complete their adaptation training,” the agency said, adding that more North Korean troops are expected to be sent to Russia soon.

NIS said North Korean soldiers were given Russian military uniforms and Russian-made weapons and were issued with fake ID cards of residents of the Yakutia and Buryatia, two regions in Siberia.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/18/north-korean-troops-russia-arrived-ukraine-seoul

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North Korean troops have arrived in Russia to fight Ukraine, says Seoul (Original Post) yaesu Oct 18 OP
Large numbers of North Korean troops surrendering in order to defect in 3 .. 2 .. 1 SarcasticSatyr Oct 18 #1
They have already been on the front and they are disappearing (18 in one go - likely defecting to Ukraine) Bev54 Oct 18 #2
This seems like an opportunity for North Koreans... forgotmylogin Oct 18 #18
I am quite sure Ukraine will cooperate and send them on to where they want to go. Bev54 Oct 18 #19
Disgusting. Trump's hand is in this. Traitorous mutherfucker. live love laugh Oct 18 #3
How do you figure? maxsolomon Oct 18 #6
I figure that because Trump is partially responsible for Russia attacking in the first place. live love laugh Oct 18 #11
How do you figure that? Polybius Oct 19 #29
Because of the intelligence he stole, because 200 American spies were killed live love laugh Oct 19 #30
Seoul can help Kiev a little bit with this C0RI0LANUS Oct 18 #4
Not that Russia is a good destination, but it's a steep up from N. Korea. I would take my fake ID card and desert. nt Gore1FL Oct 18 #5
Close to 11,000 North Korean troops are in Russia and will be "ready to fight" in Ukraine by Nov. 1, LetMyPeopleVote Oct 18 #7
Russian is losing so many troops that it has to get troops from North Korea LetMyPeopleVote Oct 18 #8
Those who are... 2naSalit Oct 18 #9
"North Korean soldiers were given Russian military uniforms and Russian-made weapons and were issued with fake IDs..." LudwigPastorius Oct 18 #10
IF North Korean soldiers are actually deployed to Ukraine and don't immediately defect, TomSlick Oct 18 #12
Actually, S. Korea should deploy their SOF to Ukraine to counter the Norks. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #13
That seems unlikely. TomSlick Oct 18 #14
Well, it was just a thought. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #15
I agree that S. Korea would obliterate N. Korea. TomSlick Oct 18 #26
ROKMC in Vietnam (circa mid-1960s) C0RI0LANUS Oct 18 #16
Yep, that's what I remember with our interactions with ROK forces in Vietnam. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #17
Recognize anybody, Gunner? C0RI0LANUS Oct 18 #20
Not really, it was 50+ years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #21
I thought four chevrons was "Gunner" (USMC weapons specialist). My mistake. C0RI0LANUS Oct 18 #22
I retired as a Master Gunnery Sargeant, we were referred to as "Gunny" MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #23
Congrats on retiring an E-8 or E-9. Yup, a bit confusing for me. C0RI0LANUS Oct 18 #24
I actually retired as an E-9. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 18 #25
USAF is AFSC- Air Force Specialty Code. Prof. Toru Tanaka Oct 18 #27
Arigato! C0RI0LANUS Oct 19 #28

Bev54

(11,940 posts)
2. They have already been on the front and they are disappearing (18 in one go - likely defecting to Ukraine)
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 10:18 AM
Oct 18

and those who don't run will just become cannon fodder.

forgotmylogin

(7,688 posts)
18. This seems like an opportunity for North Koreans...
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 01:30 PM
Oct 18

...to defect and vanish into Ukraine if they work it correctly. Deploy, put up the white flag and let Ukranians hide them until they are considered MIA. Assume a new identity.

live love laugh

(14,557 posts)
11. I figure that because Trump is partially responsible for Russia attacking in the first place.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 12:16 PM
Oct 18

live love laugh

(14,557 posts)
30. Because of the intelligence he stole, because 200 American spies were killed
Sat Oct 19, 2024, 06:53 PM
Oct 19

while he was in office seriously undermining national and international security because he shared their locations. Because he will use anything for personal gain and when Zelenskyy didn’t cooperate by lying to get him elected it’s not a far reach to believe that he shared intelligence with Russia. There’s a reason security clearance is required. Even today he doesn’t qualify for clearance and continues to be a threat and a risk. He’s repeatedly said there will be WW III. He will be one of the main reasons whether he is elected or not.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,878 posts)
4. Seoul can help Kiev a little bit with this
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 10:27 AM
Oct 18

Although these DPRK soldiers are SOF and supposedly more disciplined and trained than regular grunts, Kiev can ask ROK for linguistics help for a PSYOP campaign with loudspeakers and leaflets on how to surrender and get something to eat.

And a quick demoralizer for these DPRK SOF soldiers would be an inaugural greeting from a HIMARS system. I would make that a targeting priority.

Gore1FL

(21,996 posts)
5. Not that Russia is a good destination, but it's a steep up from N. Korea. I would take my fake ID card and desert. nt
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 10:32 AM
Oct 18

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,540 posts)
7. Close to 11,000 North Korean troops are in Russia and will be "ready to fight" in Ukraine by Nov. 1,
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 11:03 AM
Oct 18

Russia is running out of its own troops and has to use North Korean troops




Close to 11,000 North Korean troops are in Russia and will be "ready to fight" in Ukraine by Nov. 1, military intelligence head Kyrylo Budanov said in comments published by the War Zone on Oct. 17.

Budanov said the first group of 2,600 soldiers will be deployed to Russia's Kursk Oblast, where Ukraine began a cross-border incursion in August and still holds significant swathes of territory. The troops will be using Russian equipment and ammunition, but further information is currently unknown.....

Speaking at a press conference in Brussels on Oct. 17, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Russia is planning to train and engage not only infantry but also North Korean specialists in various branches of the military.

"We know about 10,000 soldiers from North Korea they are preparing to send to fight against us," he added.

2naSalit

(93,503 posts)
9. Those who are...
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 11:21 AM
Oct 18

Attempting to surrender or desert are being killed by ruzzians/chechens who are there to make sure they fight or die.

LudwigPastorius

(11,084 posts)
10. "North Korean soldiers were given Russian military uniforms and Russian-made weapons and were issued with fake IDs..."
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 12:02 PM
Oct 18

Good.

Ukrainian forces can kill Fat Kim's fake Russians all day without him using it as an excuse to declare war on the West.

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
12. IF North Korean soldiers are actually deployed to Ukraine and don't immediately defect,
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 12:44 PM
Oct 18

the west should respond with sending troops to counter. A good start would be to provide the same air defense equipment and personnel being sent to Israel.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
13. Actually, S. Korea should deploy their SOF to Ukraine to counter the Norks.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 12:50 PM
Oct 18

I well remember my interaction with S. Korean forces in Vietnam and they were fearsome fighters, they scared the VC and NVA so badly that there were bounties on every S. Korean soldier killed.

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
14. That seems unlikely.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 12:54 PM
Oct 18

South Korea is facing an increasingly bellicose enemy. It needs to maintain its best defensive posture.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
15. Well, it was just a thought.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 01:01 PM
Oct 18

In a war between the Norks and S. Korean/US, the country of N. Korea would disappear, leaving China with a huge problem dealing with the displaced N. Korean population left destitute with their defeat.
The US and NATO should, upon confirmation of Norks involved in combat, declare a CAP and start interdicting any Russian/N. Korean forces in Ukraine.

TomSlick

(11,973 posts)
26. I agree that S. Korea would obliterate N. Korea.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 06:20 PM
Oct 18

However, most of the S. Korean population is within tube artillery range. The casualties would be catastrophic.

The concern is that mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrence if there are sane leaders on both sides. Kim is nuts (or trying hard to so appear) and there is no one in N. Korean leadership that would stand up to him.

All S. Korea can do is to maintain the best deterrence it can muster.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
21. Not really, it was 50+ years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 03:37 PM
Oct 18

And I think you meant Gunny.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,878 posts)
22. I thought four chevrons was "Gunner" (USMC weapons specialist). My mistake.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 03:53 PM
Oct 18

I was US Army, so I recognize USA and USAF ranks EZ. Some of the USN and USMC ranks/insignias seem different to me. Your avatar looks like four chevrons.

The scrambled eggs on the old saucer caps were all alike though (field grade officer and above).

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
23. I retired as a Master Gunnery Sargeant, we were referred to as "Gunny"
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 04:01 PM
Oct 18

It does get confusing within the different branches, case in point, in the Army and Marines, our job descriptions are referred to as MOS, Military Occupational Specialty, while in the Navy it's Rating, Air Force, I have no idea.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
25. I actually retired as an E-9.
Fri Oct 18, 2024, 04:23 PM
Oct 18

And I'm still confused by the different job descriptions in the different branches.

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