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BumRushDaShow

(142,392 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 03:10 AM Oct 27

Washington Post publisher takes blame for non-endorsement debacle

Source: Salon

Published October 26, 2024 4:32PM (EDT)


The publisher of the Washington Post is running defense for owner Jeff Bezos, after the paper's decision not to endorse a candidate in this year's presidential election caused an uproar.

Will Lewis took responsibility for the highly criticized decision to end the outlet's decades-long tradition of endorsement. In a Saturday morning statement to CNN, Lewis defended Bezos from reports that the billionaire interfered with the paper’s planned endorsement of Kamala Harris.

“Reporting around the role of The Washington Post owner and the decision not to publish a presidential endorsement has been inaccurate,” Lewis said. “He was not sent, did not read and did not opine on any draft.”

The carefully worded statement notes only that Bezos' role was inaccurately described. The statement runs against one put out by the Post's union, which claimed doesn't completely conflict with the Post’s own reporting, where sources with knowledge of the decision to not endorse laid the blame on Bezos.

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2024/10/26/washington-post-publisher-takes-for-non-endorsement-debacle/?in_brief=true

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Washington Post publisher takes blame for non-endorsement debacle (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 27 OP
In which Lewis performs the function for which Bezos hired him... RockRaven Oct 27 #1
The good thing about this is that we know now that Bezos is worried. Baitball Blogger Oct 27 #12
Bezos is a remarkable weak ass Billionaire ... whose paying him? NotHardly Oct 27 #24
All of us who buy from Amazon Polybius Oct 27 #31
People need to boycott Amazon. LisaM Oct 27 #54
I can't do that Polybius Oct 27 #71
Sarcasm noted! LisaM Oct 28 #72
I stopped amazon at least 5 years ago Zilli Oct 28 #73
Curious why you ever started. LisaM Oct 28 #74
Mobility issues . . . . Zilli Oct 28 #75
I have to take transit almost everywhere, too. LisaM Oct 28 #77
I think the keyword is "knowingly." ShazzieB Oct 28 #81
That's the problem - I am forced to live in the online world. LisaM Oct 28 #83
DING DING DING -- Baitball Blogger, you're our grand prize winner! Rocknation Oct 27 #55
DING DING DING -- Rocknation, you're our grand prize winner! Rocknation Oct 28 #82
Post removed Post removed Oct 27 #23
Would you like to reconsider your use of the c word in your post? CTyankee Oct 27 #42
Indeed. ShazzieB Oct 27 #50
Glad I missed that post! COL Mustard Oct 27 #59
Djoes this mean the poster has been banned? CTyankee Oct 27 #65
No. ShazzieB Oct 28 #79
OK Mr Bozo the Billionaire didn't reject he endorsement IbogaProject Oct 27 #34
In which he proves he is a good little weasel... malthaussen Oct 27 #35
Take one DENVERPOPS Oct 27 #68
That's a big fat non-denial denial if I ever heard one pat_k Oct 27 #2
Exactly. What an insult to our intelligence! Fuck off Lewis. Fuck off Bezos. SunSeeker Oct 27 #4
Their plan is coming along nicely, the scheme to dumb Americans down so they would not recognize the insults. jaxexpat Oct 27 #10
Yeah, I saw it as a carefully crafted reply that was done to misdirect the readers. patphil Oct 27 #26
Amazingly enough moniss Oct 27 #3
Bidding started yesterday. jaxexpat Oct 27 #11
Cancelled ConstanceCee Oct 27 #5
Changing my line--Democracy dies in cowardice and complicity Maeve Oct 27 #6
Democracy Dies in Willie's Weasel Words Blues Heron Oct 27 #7
Amazon took a -0.01% hit, I reckon GusBob Oct 27 #8
Remind me again about lewis' role in the news of the world (murdoch) niyad Oct 27 #9
What mealy-mouth double talk from spineless rats! mpcamb Oct 27 #13
The denial almost makes it worse. 33taw Oct 27 #14
Bezos Needs Someone to Follow Him Around in A Chicken Suit modrepub Oct 27 #15
Irrelevant: Lewis a right-wing Murdoch stooge, and Bezos is the owner. Both are responsible! Canceled! jvill Oct 27 #16
This I will continue to post wolfie001 Oct 27 #19
Bozos made the call wolfie001 Oct 27 #17
You are correct. He did. underpants Oct 28 #78
Thanks! I missed that wolfie001 Oct 28 #84
SHORT VERSION: Bezos or the Publisher or the Kid In The Mailroom let Trump grab them by the ****y. Miles Archer Oct 27 #18
Choices have consequences.... Dem4life1970 Oct 27 #20
ALL credibility ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 27 #32
If this were so, why did Lewis wait so long to release statement. Prairie_Seagull Oct 27 #21
*Carefully worded AmericanBot Oct 27 #22
And a " Brazilian " for extra douchieness. BattleRow Oct 27 #36
He is nowhere near tough enough to be called a pussy. SunSeeker Oct 27 #43
Tell me again whose is to blame. republianmushroom Oct 27 #25
Prove it, Lewis. ThreeNoSeep Oct 27 #27
Halarious double speak. BradBo Oct 27 #28
Make that little dickhead Bezos stand up and explain himself in front of the country and Bev54 Oct 27 #29
Exactly! Bezos certainly knows how to speak for himself! nt SunSeeker Oct 27 #44
He's just doing what Bezos hired him to do, Bezos is a weak spineless sh*t. NotHardly Oct 27 #30
We don't need Amazon Prime either - you both can suck it. TBF Oct 27 #33
Bozos just called him verargert Oct 27 #37
Exactly. Who needs a draft? Everyone knew staff would endorse Kamala, including Bezos. SunSeeker Oct 27 #45
Falling on his sword for his boss Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 27 #38
Yeah like Bezos meeting with Bozo about BlueKota Oct 27 #39
Well, yeah, if an endorsement was nixed before there was even a draft... Beartracks Oct 27 #40
"Reporting around the role of The Washington Post owner Rocknation Oct 27 #41
LOL, Bezos is like Beetlejuice! SunSeeker Oct 27 #46
NIce try. We still won't use Amazon. mdbl Oct 27 #47
He and Jeff think we are really that stupid. nt BootinUp Oct 27 #48
I do most of the shopping for our house toad-eye Oct 27 #49
good attitude! nt BootinUp Oct 27 #52
It's not "free" shipping - he makes enough on the Prime memberships to cover the cost FakeNoose Oct 28 #80
Hilarious! Easterncedar Oct 27 #51
Oh, please. People are not stupid. Everyone with any sense know that Bezos made his wishes known... brush Oct 27 #53
Nice non-denial denial, a-hole. When do you resign in disgrace and never take another journalism job again? AZLD4Candidate Oct 27 #56
Let us speak to Bezos in a language he can hear (with due respect to Billy Corgan) aurora the great Oct 27 #57
Scenario: bezos and lewis in room Jakes Progress Oct 27 #58
Well fuck him too, then. GoYouPackersGo Oct 27 #60
This look says it all Montauk6 Oct 27 #61
WEAK Skittles Oct 27 #62
Too much media, too many judges, too much power in the hands of sociopathic billionaires. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 27 #63
More fuckery JoseBalow Oct 27 #64
someone lost their fortitude IzzaNuDay Oct 27 #66
whatever. I'm sure the owner cast a "long shadow", whether or not Jack Valentino Oct 27 #67
That's supposed to help? relayerbob Oct 27 #69
We all need to ensure relayerbob Oct 27 #70
Bullshit Basso8vb Oct 28 #76

LisaM

(28,604 posts)
54. People need to boycott Amazon.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 02:39 PM
Oct 27

I have a friend (who's a journalist and who's cancelled her WaPo subscription) who also describes herself as having an Amazon addiction.

I think Amazon is more habit-forming than addictive (unless of course you have a shopping addiction) but I have more left leaning friends right now who are self-righteously cancelling their Washington Posts subscriptions but would likely never entertain the idea of cancelling their Prime subscriptions than I
would care to count. They'd find some justification.

Polybius

(17,844 posts)
71. I can't do that
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 11:30 PM
Oct 27

Sometimes I need something hyper-fast that's not available locally, such as a specific Halloween costume by Thursday. Amazon Prime is my only option.

Zilli

(286 posts)
73. I stopped amazon at least 5 years ago
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 08:05 AM
Oct 28

I can find almost anything I want to buy elsewhere and I don't care one bit about prime. I have eBay, free shipping joy and will do all i can to avoid anything Bezos.

LisaM

(28,604 posts)
74. Curious why you ever started.
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 12:57 PM
Oct 28

Granted, I live in Seattle, which was an early victim of the peculiar desolation Amazon brings to a city, but I simply don't get the appeal of shopping online (unless it's necessary) versus the joy of physically going into a space and handling things like plates or hats or books or linens before deciding whether I want them.

Zilli

(286 posts)
75. Mobility issues . . . .
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 02:32 PM
Oct 28

I would rather shop in person, but like many people who do not have transportation and take the bus everywhere or have mobility issues or both, online shopping works. This situation is about just getting what is needed without supporting awful people

LisaM

(28,604 posts)
77. I have to take transit almost everywhere, too.
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 02:46 PM
Oct 28

I still do it. I walk to the grocery store and take the bus home (even though I get PTSD at the bus stop, where I was attacked once). I don't have mobility issues, but I am getting older, and I am technically a senior now!

Seattle has made it nearly impossible to shop using transit and downtown is essentially gone, but my larger point is, how did this happen? I used to have a good bus that took me within a block of three different grocery stores. Now one of the stores is gone (ironically replaced by a light rail stop), one is Whole Foods which I now boycott because it's Amazon, and the third one I can no longer get to from downtown on one bus. A 29-minute trip on one bus turned into a 55-minute trip on two buses and Metro defends it and actually argued with me online about the time difference.

I don't understand why consumers knowingly made shopping in person more difficult. It was easy. Now it's hard. Why?

ShazzieB

(18,675 posts)
81. I think the keyword is "knowingly."
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 04:58 PM
Oct 28

People who shop online do so because they find it convenient, and it works for them. It's really that simple.

I doubt it even occurs to the vast majority of folks that ordering something online might adversely affect the ability to shop in person in some localities. That possibility honestly never entered my own mind until I read your posts in this thread. I'm sorry to hear about what's happened in your area. I imagine the impacts are different in different places, but unless someone lives in such an affected place, they wouldn't know.

Personally, I haven't noticed the kind of differences you describe where I live, with the exception of bookstores. Amazon has had an undeniable impact there. There is no shortage of places to shop for other things, however, and grocery stores abound around here.

As for Amazon, I don't like Jeff Bezos any better than the next person, believe me. But the fact is, Amazon is very successful, because it does what it does extremely well, and as long as that continues to be the case, it will continue to make money for its owner. If I were to personally decide not to use Amazon anymore, I'm sure it wouldn't affect Bezos' bottom line one iota; but it would have definite negative impacts on me that I will not go into.

I guess I'd say I'm a bit jaded about my personal ability to affect the bottom line of any billionaire. Also, if I tried to boycott every single large corporation that has business practices I don't agree with or supports causes I don’t support, I honestly don't know what would be left. I admire people who are willing to make that effort, and I used to be one of them, but the older I get, the harder I find it to make personal sacrifices for noble reasons. (That's just where I am right now; I'm not advocating that others adopt the same approach.)

In the end, we're all just trying to survive in a tough world, and we all have to do what we're able to do and what works for us personally. Those factors are going to be different for each individual. I would never judge anyone else's choices in that respect, and I don't need anyone else's approval for my own, including the fact that using Amazon for certain things works well for me.

LisaM

(28,604 posts)
83. That's the problem - I am forced to live in the online world.
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 05:35 PM
Oct 28

Things I like have been systematically taken away from me. Because other people like shopping online, my own options have been narrowed.

I also liked living in a city with a bustling downtown. Now I don't. And I hate that it's this way.

Online shopping also takes money out of the local economy. Small business owners feel it. It's pretty much impossible to sustain a small business now.

Rocknation

(44,883 posts)
55. DING DING DING -- Baitball Blogger, you're our grand prize winner!
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 02:44 PM
Oct 27
...(W)e know now that Bezos is worried.

Here's what I think he's worried about: Trump losing by such a wide margin that having endorsed him would undermine his image as an alpha businessman. I also suspect that Bezos has proof positive that the odds are highly in favor of such an outcome. At the very least, it would explain why he is "equally" uninterested in endorsing Trump!


Rocknation

Rocknation

(44,883 posts)
82. DING DING DING -- Rocknation, you're our grand prize winner!
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 05:00 PM
Oct 28
I...suspect that Bezos has proof positive that the odds are in favor of...Trump losing by...a wide margin...

"Proof positive" accomplished?
USA Today.com: Democrat Kamala Harris has a sweeping lead over Republican Donald Trump -- among voters who have already cast their ballots, that is...(T)hey say by 63%-33% that they support Democratic congressional candidates.


Rocknation

Response to RockRaven (Reply #1)

CTyankee

(65,041 posts)
42. Would you like to reconsider your use of the c word in your post?
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 12:57 PM
Oct 27

It may interest you to know that not a few DUers consider that word offensive to women.

ShazzieB

(18,675 posts)
50. Indeed.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 02:06 PM
Oct 27

I have been given to understand that Americans tend to find the word more offensive than people in some other English-speaking countries. However, DU is a US based website, so imo, it makes sense for American sensibilities to prevail here.

In other words, the C-word is out of place here at DU.

ShazzieB

(18,675 posts)
79. No.
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 03:55 PM
Oct 28

It just says "post removed." That means no other action was taken at this time.

People aren't usually banned for one infraction, unless it's something extremely egregious, which this wasn't.

There is a very small number of repeat offenders who sign up over and over under a new name, after being banned under the last one. MIRT has gotten very good at keeping track of those people and eliminating them when they make a reappearance. If you see someone getting banned after only one or 2 posts, it's usually one of those people, or someone who was an obvious troll for other reasons.

IbogaProject

(3,654 posts)
34. OK Mr Bozo the Billionaire didn't reject he endorsement
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 11:02 AM
Oct 27

But that doesn't exclude him forbidding endorsing Harris.

malthaussen

(17,672 posts)
35. In which he proves he is a good little weasel...
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 AM
Oct 27

... which we already knew from his failure to endorse anybody.

-- Mal

pat_k

(10,878 posts)
2. That's a big fat non-denial denial if I ever heard one
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 03:26 AM
Oct 27

"He was not sent, did not read and did not opine on any draft.”

You don' t need to see a draft to put the kibosh on an endorsement you know is in the works.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
10. Their plan is coming along nicely, the scheme to dumb Americans down so they would not recognize the insults.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 08:18 AM
Oct 27

There's a lot less intelligence to insult since the Reagan era, you know. The PTB have juggled our thoughts with input designed to titillate our attention for so many decades now that we salivate on command, even our outrage is pre-programmed with its own canned laugh-track. Reality schmeality*, PBS or Fox, take your pick. They're all in the same memo loop.

* Another term I just now coined for your entertainment and the enrichment of my brand. Not sure what it means but, these days, the pretention alone will make it memorable if not salable.

Just so there's little or no confusion, some of the preceding may have been unsuitable for some readers. please find this smilie

patphil

(6,959 posts)
26. Yeah, I saw it as a carefully crafted reply that was done to misdirect the readers.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 10:31 AM
Oct 27

The editor did Bezos' bidding and took the heat for it.

moniss

(5,752 posts)
3. Amazingly enough
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 03:48 AM
Oct 27

it is likely that after a few months everybody in the media looking to sell their soul for a job will be talking up Will Lewis as being a highly respected figure in journalism.

Maeve

(42,960 posts)
6. Changing my line--Democracy dies in cowardice and complicity
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 07:21 AM
Oct 27

Although I am not sure where one ends and the other takes over....

And yeah, I canceled my subscription as soon as I read Lewis' first announcement

GusBob

(7,535 posts)
8. Amazon took a -0.01% hit, I reckon
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 07:59 AM
Oct 27

“Will I’m going broke, get out there a carefully worded kiss my ass”

modrepub

(3,614 posts)
15. Bezos Needs Someone to Follow Him Around in A Chicken Suit
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 08:27 AM
Oct 27

F-ing coward. Well, like usual, its up to the little people to do the dirty work and stand up for themselves.

In honor of Bezos, I'll cut and paste this gem.

Brave Sir Robin ran away.

Bravely ran away away.

When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.

Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.

Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

wolfie001

(3,646 posts)
19. This I will continue to post
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:23 AM
Oct 27

He worked for Mordoch while the Brit phone-tap scandal was in full bloom.


Miles Archer

(18,960 posts)
18. SHORT VERSION: Bezos or the Publisher or the Kid In The Mailroom let Trump grab them by the ****y.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:22 AM
Oct 27

I really don't care about ANY OF THIS.

The short version is THE WASHINGTON POST made the decision. Now, NO...I don't believe you should tell Eugene Robinson or any of their fine reporters to get bent.

But it was an EXECUTIVE DECISION.

Remember CHRIS LICHT at CNN, who went down in flames after Trump's "Town Hall?"

Licht was a SACRIFICIAL LAMB. Warner CEO David Zaslav and his radical right billionaire boy pal John Malone were the architects for turning CNN into Fox Lite. Licht just followed orders and took the fall.

I could GIVE A FUCK about Bezos' "image." It's his paper. He needs to carry AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE WEIGHT for this.

Dem4life1970

(432 posts)
20. Choices have consequences....
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:53 AM
Oct 27

The Washington Post is now in serious financial trouble.and has lost significant credibility.

republianmushroom

(17,652 posts)
25. Tell me again whose is to blame.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 10:19 AM
Oct 27

The Washington Post’s outgoing editor-at-large and longtime columnist has made explosive claims that its owner Jeff Bezos struck a deal with Donald Trump in order to kill the newspaper’s endorsement of Kamala Harris.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-washington-post-editor-robert-kagan-this-is-a-straight-jeff-bezos-donald-trump-quid-pro-quo/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143328986

ThreeNoSeep

(171 posts)
27. Prove it, Lewis.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 10:37 AM
Oct 27

by resigning.

I cancelled my subscription until Bezos makes a new decision or the publisher leaves, and they make a Harris endorsement.

One hypothesis I toy with to explain such a blatant cowardly move is as follows:
Perhaps Bezos ran a sim/prediction model to determine the best strategic response to the variety of outcomes that could emerge from this election, and this capitulation was the least worst choice, given a Kamala win or a Trump win. In the lead up, the non endorsement provides the editorial side the outraged impetus to continue making quality reports in the face of an embarrassing abandonment of past endorsements. If (when!) Kamala wins, the WP could eventually recover the lost trust with heir leadership through new subscribers and returning former subscribers. If Trump wins, Bezos' government interests/entanglements can survive the coming years of fascism.

Bev54

(11,917 posts)
29. Make that little dickhead Bezos stand up and explain himself in front of the country and
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 10:44 AM
Oct 27

take questions like why the same day his executives were meeting with Trump? I hate cowards who do not take responsibility and I hate rich cowards even more.

TBF

(34,318 posts)
33. We don't need Amazon Prime either - you both can suck it.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 10:56 AM
Oct 27

I will find a replacement for Kindle. There's got to be a way I can just read on my iPhone.

verargert

(141 posts)
37. Bozos just called him
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 11:59 AM
Oct 27

Lewis said. “He was not sent, did not read and did not opine on any draft.”

Did not write 'he did not call'

SunSeeker

(53,666 posts)
45. Exactly. Who needs a draft? Everyone knew staff would endorse Kamala, including Bezos.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 01:07 PM
Oct 27

This was Bezos' call.

BlueKota

(3,658 posts)
39. Yeah like Bezos meeting with Bozo about
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 12:09 PM
Oct 27

Blue Horizon was pure coincidence? 😒🙄

They need to remember there are some us left, who still have a functioning brain, and working bullshit detectors.

Beartracks

(13,576 posts)
40. Well, yeah, if an endorsement was nixed before there was even a draft...
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 12:18 PM
Oct 27

... then this could be true. You can't receive, read, or opine about a draft that never got written.

But you most certainly CAN opine about - and squash - the endorsement itself before there's a draft.

==========


Rocknation

(44,883 posts)
41. "Reporting around the role of The Washington Post owner
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 12:55 PM
Oct 27

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2024, 12:54 PM - Edit history (2)

and the decision not to publish a presidential endorsement has been inaccurate,” Lewis said. “He was not sent, did not read, and did not opine on any draft.”

Well, if an order not to endorse anyone came down on WaPo before a draft even existed, then congratulations, Lewis -- you've made Bezos look even worse!!! At least, logic dictates that the "Washington Post owner" Lewis is referring to is Bezos...since Lewis dared not speak his name...


Rocknation

toad-eye

(39 posts)
49. I do most of the shopping for our house
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 01:50 PM
Oct 27

I do most of the shopping for our house.
Because I'm good at it, have excellent recall, and save us a ton.
We are on SS.
Amazon is convenient. (next day delivery free {for a price})
But I will look elsewhere and only shop amazon if I can't find it elsewhere.

Join me!

FakeNoose

(35,690 posts)
80. It's not "free" shipping - he makes enough on the Prime memberships to cover the cost
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 04:43 PM
Oct 28

That's how Bezos could afford all those brand new snazzy Prime delivery vans. We paid for those with our Prime membership that keeps going up every year.

brush

(57,554 posts)
53. Oh, please. People are not stupid. Everyone with any sense know that Bezos made his wishes known...
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 02:15 PM
Oct 27

to the publiser.

aurora the great

(104 posts)
57. Let us speak to Bezos in a language he can hear (with due respect to Billy Corgan)
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 04:47 PM
Oct 27

Just cancelled my subscription to Amazon. This is no token gesture. We use Amazon for many small but repetitive purchases. It expedites the materials I need for my part time business. We used to watch Prime a lot. But when I look back to last series we were following they have ended or were cancelled so no loss there. Here's the kicker my husband works for one of the Amazon Fulfillment centers. We were supposed to get the services for free but we never did. So here goes its been good to know ya, Amazon. My letter to the editor of the Washington Post "A Republic if you can Keep It" follows tomorrow.

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
58. Scenario: bezos and lewis in room
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 05:19 PM
Oct 27

lewis: "Editorial department is going to endorse Harris."
bezos: "Like hell they are."

lewis's cockroach of a statement does not preclude this scene. It only says beezy never read the endorsement.

IzzaNuDay

(603 posts)
66. someone lost their fortitude
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 06:59 PM
Oct 27

A principled person has fortitude. Just reading this drivel of an explanation leads me to believe Lewis has no principle or fortitude.

Jack Valentino

(1,327 posts)
67. whatever. I'm sure the owner cast a "long shadow", whether or not
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 07:24 PM
Oct 27

he was involved in that decision.


Washington Post---- they used to be a journalistic standard, back around 1974....


Now it seems they are New-York-timesish--- except I guess the New York Times actually made an endorsement this year--- after doing everything they could editorially to destroy the party which they eventually endorsed....


At this point, my favorite newspapers are the one in Philadelphia, and the Guardian-- which isn't even an American paper.
Actually I subscribed to the Guardian once, when it was further left and I was young and full of left-wing piss

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