They cannot be trusted. I just hope our side has a plan to counteract their unconstitutional rulings.

The only way to "counteract" those rulings is to keep the Presidency and the Senate, and take back the House. Then we can start implementing SCOTUS ethics reforms that have bills already drafted, among other things.

Democrats elected. My concern is what if the Supreme Court throws out the legitimate will of the majority of voters, on a made up technicality? No one seems to have an answer as to what can we do then. We can't just assume they will do the right thing because they have already proven they don't deserve blind trust.

How can we expect the Constitution to protect us when they are basically setting it on fire without any consequences or way for us to legally do anything to stop them? Do we just throw up our hands and surrender like the Germans did when Hitler took over?

It scares the shit 😳 out of me that there seems to be no one in our leadership preparing for that possibility.

and it looks like a "technicality" here was that this had been done "on day 90".

I know non-citizens need more investigation than other issues, mainly because it involves more resources and hence the court case.

But if it was on day 90, at least SCOTUS didn't throw out the Voter Registration Act.

There is same-day registration in VA

Just provide proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or a SS card should do it, and I am sure there are other ways as well.

Now as someone born in VA getting a copy of your BC is easy, just go to MVA and fill out paper work, it takes 10 mins. I had to get copies of mine a few years ago, lets hope any voters who do not have a copy go get it.

They used two things to remove voters, the federal list of those here that are not citizens, and those who checked off that they were not citizens. I am sure some of those who checked it did it by accident, but looks like its an easy fix.

... which is reassuring, but not many people carry their birth certificate with them. I actually carry my US Passport with me, because it's the best form of ID that I have, but it doesn't show my address. I would need a 2nd photo ID on me in order to register to vote.

The answer is: yes it's possible but how many Americans will bother?

The Repukes don't even know how many of their own voters they've removed. They just assume that these "illegals" all vote D, so we'll get rid of them.

SC want to get involved.

You know who the ones who are garbage? It is the deplorable MEN on the SC. They have demonstrated their racism, by whittling down the voting and civil rights act, and the sexism by the Dobb's decision. They have demonstrated their lawlessness by their immunity ruling for criminal activities of a president.

THIS IS WHY WE MUST WIN THIS ELECTION.

happy that my speculation is wrong.

Did you read my post?

because it involved the application and interpretation of federal law governing federal election, I don't think that was the reason THIS SC heard the case. In my speculation, it was simply an excuse to allow the purging of votes, which Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson disagreed with.

They had two choices: grant the motion or deny the motion. In my view, despite what you somehow perceived from my post, granting the motion was indefensible. They should have denied it. But even if they had denied it, the case would still be pending and the court would still have an opportunity to decide whether to take it if and when a formal petition for certiorari was filed. Again, I think the only correct answer in that instance would be to deny the certiorari petition. But not because it isn't a proper question for the federal courts to address, but because the lower courts addressed it correctly.

voters will be to re-register ASAP.

What I don't understand, when someone registers to vote, at least in California, election officials determines if you are eligible to vote, and validates your information.

To vote in California you have to be a US citizen, resident of California, 18 years old, etc.

Don't all states have similar requirements?

What I am saying is I don't understand how a third party can challenge someone's eligibility to vote. Shouldn't that be done by state officials?

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You have to be a US citizen to register in Virginia. The problem arises in several ways. Sometimes a person doesn't check the box on the registration form that says they are a citizen because they simply failed to see it. Other times, they check the box, but other records maintained by the state contradict that claim. While that might reflect an attempt to knowingly register despite not being a citizen, it often is the result of the records being in correct or out of date. Youngkin's order directed daily purging, so in effect someone who submits their registration form and doesn't check the box is weeded out the next day. Of course, that person might have inadvertently failed to check the box despite actually being a citizen -- there are reports of that happening not infrequently.

No third party was challenging the specific registrations. The purging was being carried out pursuant to Virginia state law and an executive order from Youngkin. The parties to the case were a private entity that defends the right to vote on one side, urging the court to put the purging on hold, and state officials on the other side.

As far as I know, it is based on their own statements. They failed to respond to letters requesting that they provide documentation.

One of the scenarios I heard was that some people thought if they said they were non citizens, they wouldn't be called for jury duty. If that is the case then play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Don't know if there was any validity to that claim or just speculation.

I get that legal terminology can be confusing. And the effect of the stay is to allow the purge to continue. But its still a stay.

Here is the order:

The application for stay presented to The Chief Justice and by him referred to the Court is granted. The October 25, 2024order of the United States District Court for the EasternDistrict of Virginia, case Nos. 1:24-cv-1778 and 1:24-cv-1807, is stayed pending the disposition of the appeal in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, if such a writ is timely sought. Should certiorari be denied, this stay shall terminate automatically. In the event certiorari is granted, the stay shall terminate upon the sending down of the judgment of this Court.
Justice Sotomayor, Justice Kagan, and Justice Jackson, would deny the application.

ACB voted with them

Most analysts say it will likely have no affect upon the outcome because it involves so few voters.

Apparently the law isn't enough.

This is a technical glitch of the Commonwealth’s systems not talking to each other correctly that’s being exploited by Youngkin and Miyares.

They ignore the Constitution. They ignore laws passed by Congress and State Legislatures. Six people are making our laws void based on illogical and unlawful reasoning. It’s time to ignore the rulings of the unelected six.

If Trump wins and gets to appoint another justice.

I cant see the 3 liberal justices even considering letting his fat ass replace them. Unless someone passes.
Let's take away that scary possibility by electing Harris!!

Trump and Republicans are going to use the courts and propaganda to steal elections.

Truly 3rd world stuff.

to stand. They lied under oath about Roe, they gave Trump immunity. What more do they have to do to prove that they are only loyal to tsf and not the Constitution?

because if we sweep the president and congress we will add justices and their power to do whatever the f*** they want will go away. Plus, if the dems are in charge it is more likely that the financial corruption exhibited by a couple of the justices will be investigated and based on the outcome they could be impeached.

Is there any recourse for anyone removed, that IS a citizen? Who knows for sure?

I would be getting with a Democratic legal person before it's too late!! Anyone of them need to DO THIS!

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that VA has same-day registration.Anyone who was erroneously removed from the rolls can still vote provisionally.

But remain very worried that SCOTUS (with zero explanation) just gave states the right to violate Federal election law.

And also be worried about what new restrictions these erroneously removed voters will face when they try to re-register.

I feel it!

And apparently there is nothing that will be done to stop them because our leaders will decide to do nothing. They will insist on sticking to rules that the other side will have already violated, even if Harris and Democrats win by a landslide and the SC 6 ignores the vote and installs him on a made up technicality.

Why are people so willing to accept that?
I still think all Democrats, Independents, and disenfranchised old guard Republicans should vote for Democrats, but again what do we do, if the SC decides to over-rule the election results even as a result of a Democratic landslide? Even if we win the House and the Senate I doubt we will have enough to impeach the 6, and tsf will probably ignore the House and the Senate anyway.

I just feel like this is too eerily similar to what happened in Germany in 1930's and 40's. That too many are in denial. They think that it could never happen here even though there is evidence that it is happening before our very eyes. I don't get why people think it's okay to sit back and say oh well, if it happens it happens. What about all the lives tsf will destroy? I voted and I donated and I have spoken out, but I want to feel at least relatively assured that something will be done to at least try to stop the cult if the 6 throw out our votes after?

WE win by a large number. I guess i keep in my mind the Supreme courts order was NON CITIZENS, which is the right order, BUT how do we know if they are really Non-citizens? What are the thoughts on this from the Democrats that are citizens of Virginia? Hope we hear their thoghts soon.

There will be civil war if that happens right

It's somewhat amusing but still sad that there are so many people on DU anxious to have a "civil war."

if Trump either wins legitimately or has the SC come up with an excuse to invalidate a Harris win?

Do we just let them install a modern day Nazi Regime and do nothing to stop it, even if they start killing immigrants, and gays and everyone they happen to hate? That's not hyperbole because they are basically admitting that is what they will do if given a chance.

The answer cannot be we will vote them out in 2026 because Trump has already said he intends to end voting. I don't believe anyone wants a civil war, but isn't it just as immoral to let dictators persecute others and do nothing? What's your answer if the radical right starts turning their stated desire into vengeance and and violence? We just sit back and not try to stop it? What happened to "evil flourishes when good men do nothing" or "when the came for the Jews I did nothing, because I was not Jew?" Is it right for all of us to do nothing if the horrific nightmare starts to become real, if they don't come for us specifically, but we let them do what they want no matter how despicable to others? How does that seriously make us better than them either. I genuinely want for someone to answer me that?

and win big!!!! va. trying to make waves won't
stand a chance to the dems big beautiful blue tsunami!!!
va. performance- just a small ripple in a small pond

My concern is the SC6 arbitrarily throwing out a Harris win even if it's by a landslide on a made up technicality. They have proven they are not loyal to the people or the Constitution just their Donny Boy.

They don't fear impeachment because it's not likely even if we keep Senate leadership and take back the House, we have enough votes to keep them from blocking SC impeachments.

I don’t think what you are saying is possible, even for these shills.

to the 2020 elections? I know some here have said she wasn't on the court yet, but she was confirmed before election.

The subject law disallows the removal - within 90 days of an election - of eligible voters who have changed their address, and a small number of other situations involving legal voter registrations.

But, as I read things this morning, the law allows the removal of other registrants who are not eligible to vote, such as non-citizens, felons, kids, ghost/fake registrations, dead people, etc., at any time...even within that 90-day window.

But, what about mass purges that encompass both invalid/ineligible registrations as well as registrations that are legal, intact and covered by the 90-day rule? How can the SoS (or whichever elections entity) assure the public that all of the registrations being purged don't include any of these 90-day exceptions?

I think the article said that the parties suing had found legal registrations within he list of purged voters. I think the law needs a tweak.

removed legally registered voters.

Some might argue that a person could be upset enough at this to do something rash and/or illegal.
The best solution to this would be to have our president safely relocate the Justices to a secure location unknown to anyone and with no contact until after the election...for their own good and safety!

Biden should worry about their safety and should take appropriate action to protect them. The only safe way would be to hide them from the public and keep them totally incommunicado until after the election.

It might mean a delay in a ruling, but wouldn't that be better than having a few of them hurt or worse?

Because if they are non-citizens, their vote (if they cast one) will be caught and they will be prosecuted for voting! This is pure theatre! If they leave those 1600 on the rolls, what harm will it do? As long as none of these supposed "non-citizens" don't vote, just purge them after the election. They are trying to cheat BEFORE THE ELECTION. This is stupidity at its finest.

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Wouldn't that be considered entrapment?

Just had a case in Michigan where someone who was a non citizen voted and their vote still counts

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/30/chinese-university-of-michigan-college-student-voted-presidential-election-michigan-china-benson/75936701007/

One person, one non-citizen voted and we should be upset that we caught them?

There are loads of checks and balances in voter rolls nationwide. If you're on the voter roll and you vote, your vote is still vetted. Maybe not by Election Day, but soon after. Like 2020, Georgia recount their votes 3 times! AZ had their votes counted and verified 3 times! There has been a handful of incidents of persons voting that shouldn't and those family members turning in ballots of the deceased, but we're talking about a handful of votes. Nothing that would determine a presidential election. (Of course, there is always that one exception...) so my point is, why are they worried about the voter rolls now. After the ballots have been printed and early voting has started. Just vet your votes as they come in. That's why we have election workers. That's why they are non-partisan workers. TRUST THE PEOPLE COUNTING THE VOTES or you get all kinds of conspiracies floating around that serves no one. Change the subject.

What we need to do is stop this crap about early voting restrictions. Everyone should have 30 days to vote. Mail in, in person, you name it. Make it so easy there is no excuse for NOT VOTING. We can tabulate those totals much easier than in one 24 hour day.

The only way we can keep our republic is if we make it easier to vote instead of harder.

I've been an immigrant in another country. I never once tried to vote in another countries' election abroad. I am not that stupid. Immigrants only vote when they become citizens. Except for that one case you mentioned. sigh.

All they had to do was sign an affidavit stating they were a citizen. They were not vetted for citizenship, still voted and their vote still counts.

The only reason anyone knows about it is because the illegal voter called the election board themselves and asked for their ballot back. Otherwise the election staff wouldn't have known at all. It probably is quite rare, but if they aren't doing any verification, how do they be so certain?

But it is a provisional ballot.
Everyone who does same day registration needs to register as an independent or republican so they do not discard their ballot. I am very suspicious of the process. How is a provisional ballot a secret ballot?

The one bright spot in Idaho is same day registration and no provisional ballots. All ballots are counted.

Brutally harassed no less!!!
Are you okay?

Damn.

May Darwin serve us well.

A Dem should file a motion to vacate the chair. Johnson and Trump are plotting to overthrow the will of the people in their little secret. They are going to try and throw the election to their f*cking buddies on the Supreme Court.

And you know the Supremes will bow down to their Nazi masters every chance they get. Well at least 6 of them will. Hell, Thomas has conspired with Putin at Putin's golden Palace to bring down our democracy. And Alito would fly a swastika at his fancy house if his neighbors wouldn't object.

I wrote just yesterday that I did not think they would take the case so close to the election!!



@JoyceWhiteVance
In a disgraceful departure from the so-called Purcell principle which SCOTUS uses to reject changes too close to elections, they will permit Virginia to continue to remove voters from the rolls. The liberal justices all dissent.

Link to tweet

actual citizenship status, age? Who do we have checking the accuracy of the results?

It won't change the outcome of the election in Virgina, but is disgraceful of the SC.

Those purged voters will need to re-register to vote ASAP.

The best message we can send to the SC is do everything we can to insure Harris-Walz and Democrats WIN.

...unless somebody cannot actually prove they are a citizen I guess