and people rounded up knowing their past history?

All these sudden shifts to Trump make no sense, except that Elon and Putin were scheming something the last couple months. Trump had a big secret, and he didn't need any votes, because he already had them back in July. Something is very fishy. Trump has cheated at everything in his life, and now we're expected to take them at their word. The numbers just don't add up. For the last 3 weeks, all over the news was the lines of people voting, breaking records everywhere. Now all the sudden 15 million votes are missing and supposedly the Dems all decided to stay home. This needs to be investigated. Something is wrong.

Not too much, and in minority and male groups.
Along with the vote erasures…gives enough to win the EC
Needs investigating

Democrats around here are down to college educated whites and black woman.

They say its impossible that trump got fewer votes NOW than back THEN

As Democrats, we shouldn’t be like Republicans and claim things to be true where there is no proof. Show me real evidence and I’ll re-consider.

our party has work to do to win back a lot of voters that for whatever reason voted for the worst POS in America over a qualified brown woman.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/26/us/hamtramck-michigan-ghalib-trump.html



Amer Ghalib is a right wing sleazebag who has more in common with Trump than anyone sane. His vote had very little to do with Gaza I suspect. He just actually likes the Republican platform overall I’d bet.

Ditto with this sleazy, opportunistic industrialist:
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2024/11/06/most-fabulous-diwali-gift-for-hindus-bharat-shalabh-kumar-trumps-close-aide-to-the-week.html


There is more to politics than race and gender. Religious people across the board (or perhaps the most vacantly religious people-who like the rituals and backwardness sans any actually humane sentiments) like Trumpismo. They want an excuse to vote for this moron.
Ditto re people who dislike economic populism, meaningful environmental regulations.

The Republican Party as a whole appeals to humans in all demographics who are:
somewhat mean-spirited and have scant self awareness; are clueless about science or the environment and generally selfish and self centred. People who would hate any kind of sacrifice and instead spend their lives believing rubbish vacantly.

I am not sure you can woo such people without completely throwing away all progressive or liberal ideals out of the Democratic Party.

It was also an abject lesson. The people of Hamtramck were initially proud of their inclusive vote, not realizing they had nursed a viper.

I had a bad feeling on Tuesday when CNN interviewed an Asian-American in Macomb County (not too far from Hamtramck) who said he voted for Biden in 2020 but switched his vote to Trump because he was a small business owner and thought Trump would help him more. He'll find out, I guess, especially if people he knows are deported (I'm guess the owner was an immigrant himself because of his accent, but the reporter didn't ask).

So I know from experience that you should never assume that people’s politics are that straightforward.

I always thought that white liberals who assumed that demographic change alone will bring more liberal/progressive ideals into being were thinking very simplistically.

Human takes on politics are very complex, complicated and often infuriating. Especially in our present poisoned media environment.

We live in a very complex society and most people (including myself) often have far lower levels of information about say science, economics, environmental issues, civics etc etc than we should. Further, education is constantly under attack except where it is a few marketable skills without any deeper comprehension or worse curiosity about the world/the planet we inhabit. And what can you expect? Most people are trapped in that rat race.

People are taught to have so little curiosity about the natural world, science, history, animal cognition etc etc. What can you expect but this? Their or rather our heads are filled with reality shows and celebrity gossip (because this is the “bread and circuses” society).

Is it any surprise that a reality show star (who is a moron in every way) but knows how to manipulate ratings is reelected in spite of the laundry list of issues he has?

It is very frustrating.

I realized about four election cycles ago that as we become more diverse, that will include bringing in people from other cultures where patriarchy runs deep (not to mention misogyny and prejudice against gay people). Unfortunately, my worry turned out to be true.

As far as the education thing, you are so right and expressed it so well. We need to encourage liberal arts more.

Exactly. This is what one can expect in a society with nothing but edtech and coding skills.

And he ignored the VP pick, who as a fraudulent "venture capitalist", would buy up and milk "small businesses" like his, and spit out the remains.

But the cognitive dissonance is a "human thing" across all genders, races, ethnicities, and religions.

They just kept harping, "But he's a businessman. But he's a businessman." They never ask WHAT the business was, buying and dismantling salvageable businesses for personal profit.

you just reminded me to see who is replacing him in the Senate and it will be John Curtis, who will vacate his House seat for this one.

But even worse is the voter suppression and
interference by the Russians.

Our democracy lies in ruins now. The American
Experiment is over.

RIP USA

at least just yet.

The "foundation" has been cracked and IMHO, that exists in the states, counties, municipalities. THAT needs to be focused on and repaired and it is do-able because the past year or so, we have watched loons like the "Moms for (but really against) Liberty" take over at the "local" level, and summarily get booted out by their constituents.

I.e., an up-close and in-your-face experience with the extremist agenda finally triggered more local civic engagement by non-loons.

I just bet they did

I hope I'm still allowed to express an opinion.

trump will remind them and target them again.

Enough already with these conversations about subjects and issues whose only source and spawning ground is clever and well financed propaganda.

I witnessed it myself way back in the late 90's-early 00's.

There are several reasons, from their own mouths.
Unfortunately we cant have that discussion here.

I saw somewhere that 60+% of Hispanic women voted for Harris.