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BumRushDaShow

(142,213 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:22 AM Nov 11

Trump's border security plans face potential obstacle in Senate parliamentarian

Source: The Hill

11/11/24 6:00 AM ET


President-elect Trump’s GOP allies in Congress want to jam tough immigration and border security reforms through the Senate using a special fast track known as budget reconciliation, but face a major obstacle in Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough.

Shutting down the huge flow of migrants across the U.S.-Mexico border is one of Trump’s top priorities, but Republican legislation that would make it harder for migrants to claim asylum and roll back protections for migrant minors under the Flores settlement faces a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. This has prompted a discussion among conservatives in the Senate and House over moving as aggressive a border-security package as possible under budget reconciliation, which would allow it to pass with a simple majority through the Senate.

Getting that done would depend on whether the Senate parliamentarian rules that it complies with the chamber’s Byrd Rule, which requires that legislation produce a change in spending or revenues and have a budgetary impact that’s not merely incidental to the policy change.

A Senate GOP aide warned that that while funding for the border wall and more Border Patrol agents would easily be allowed in a budget reconciliation bill under the Senate’s rules, reforms to the nation’s asylum and parole laws, which Republicans say the Biden administration used to allow millions of migrants into the country, may not pass muster. “Some of it could be possible, but a lot of it could fall to the merely-incidental rule,” a Senate GOP aide said.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4983010-trump-border-security-reform/

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Lonestarblue

(11,807 posts)
3. The Byrd Rule can be overturned in a heartbeat.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:29 AM
Nov 11

There are no guardrails that will stop Trump or Republicans from doing whatever they want to do. None of them believe in the rule of law.

WestMichRad

(1,805 posts)
11. The Senate's filibuster rules can also be changed.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:00 PM
Nov 11

Which is what I expect will be done as the first order of business in the new Senate.

Fullduplexxx

(8,254 posts)
4. He'll do nothing and then just claim the slow of immigrants have stopped
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:30 AM
Nov 11

Or try to sell you BS on why the immigrants coming in now are okay

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
5. I think there's some truth to that.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:36 AM
Nov 11

The consensus is that the mass deportation plan is unworkable. I think it's possible that he'll figure this out pretty quickly, make a lot of noise about it, make some token attempts, then do something like what you said.

He couldn't get the wall done, even with civilians volunteering to assist with/pay for construction in some areas and people throwing money at him for it.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
7. He'll certainly try.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:40 AM
Nov 11

He's already starting with the budget -- "there's no price tag."

Just because he says he's going to do something doesn't mean that it's logistically possible. He'll take credit for it, regardless.

Autumn

(46,280 posts)
8. I think he will do the same thing with tariffs. Someone with part of a brain
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:58 AM
Nov 11

will finally get him to understand how tariffs actually work and he will proclaim he strong armed all the other countries into paying them and that threat will go poof. Never to be mentioned by the media again.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
9. Agreed.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:54 PM
Nov 11

The tariffs are a political bomb waiting to go off, and I'm sure just about everyone (else) in the GOP knows that.

It's sad that we're at the "let's hope someone only slightly less abhorrent has some sense and can talk the crazy dude out of it" part of our country's history, but here we are. Again. "Nuking a hurricane wouldn't be a good idea, Mr. President."

Autumn

(46,280 posts)
10. My concern is that the people around him will keep people who
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 12:58 PM
Nov 11

have a shred of intelligence away from him.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
12. Also a valid concern.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:01 PM
Nov 11

As bizarre as it seems, we lucked out (relatively) with the first term, because people around him were either incompetent or they were blunting his worst impulses. We can't really count on that again, and it was bad enough as it was.

Autumn

(46,280 posts)
13. Agree. I think that this is going to be him on steroids. If Mike Flynn is
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 01:06 PM
Nov 11

around there won't even be a rational General he will listen to.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
15. The MSM has reported on this extensively.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PM
Nov 11
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