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highplainsdem

(52,322 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:51 PM Nov 12

Trump Draft Executive Order Would Create Board to Purge Generals

Source: WSJ

WASHINGTON—The Trump transition team is considering a draft executive order that establishes a “warrior board” of retired senior military personnel with the power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend removals of any deemed unfit for leadership.

If Donald Trump approves the order, it could fast-track the removal of generals and admirals found to be “lacking in requisite leadership qualities,” according to a draft of the order reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. But it could also create a chilling effect on top military officers, given the president-elect’s past vow to fire “woke generals,” referring to officers seen as promoting diversity in the ranks at the expense of military readiness.

As commander in chief, Trump can fire any officer at will, but an outside board whose members he appoints would bypass the Pentagon’s regular promotion system, signaling across the military that he intends to purge a number of generals and admirals.

The draft order says it aims to establish a review that focuses “on leadership capability, strategic readiness, and commitment to military excellence.” The draft doesn’t specify what officers need to do or present to show if they meet those standards. The draft order originated with one of several outside policy groups collaborating with the transition team, and is one of numerous executive orders under review by Trump’s team, a transition official said.

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Read more: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals-7ebaa606



Damn Trump.
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Trump Draft Executive Order Would Create Board to Purge Generals (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 12 OP
Putin laughs with glee. C_U_L8R Nov 12 #1
Even Stalin chuckles in his grave JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 13 #54
"The draft doesn't specify what officers need to do or present" -- it doesn't have to. It's obvious. PSPS Nov 12 #2
I'm guessing loyalty oaths Diraven Nov 12 #3
He wants generals like Hitler had, so that would figure. Harker Nov 12 #9
And how long before they try to kill him? Like Hitler's generals did. SharonAnn Nov 12 #20
His ignorance of history is appalling. Harker Nov 12 #21
What happens July 20? n/t area51 Nov 12 #49
Probably nothing, but the July 20, 1944 bomb plot carried out Harker Nov 13 #58
And then skydive forever Nov 12 #45
There is no doubt in my mind those plans are already being discussed... IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 13 #53
Now just calm down there, SharonAnn. There's a lot of folks here who do not appreciate even thinking...... jaxexpat Nov 13 #55
Hitler made all Jewish people wear armbands....Will President VonShitzInPantz make all Democrats wear armbands? red dog 1 Friday #71
He's going to have a hard time making most of us do any such thing. Harker Friday #72
I figure they'll have to kiss his a$$ or ask "How high?" woodsprite Nov 12 #4
Flynn can help identify plenty of good generals to get rid of. n/t Harker Nov 12 #5
You read my mind. I was thinking Flynn also. ananda Nov 12 #12
I'm sure there's a copy of "Seven Days in May" Harker Nov 12 #15
I had to do a book report on that in high school YoshidaYui Nov 12 #22
Yes, and a good one. Harker Nov 12 #23
Dangerous. Half, because he then can instruct such Proud Boys to round up his enemies for atrocities. ffr Nov 12 #6
He'll promote the Proud Boys to Generals with an executive order. KS Toronado Nov 13 #68
Which General will have the guts? liberalgunwilltravel Nov 12 #7
If They Do OhioTim Nov 13 #65
He's weakening our military. mellow Nov 12 #8
Of course he is. pat_k Nov 12 #26
VoteVets responds: highplainsdem Nov 12 #10
pledging fealty to... keithbvadu2 Nov 12 #33
Imagine the outrage if Obama, Biden, Clinton or any other Democratic president did this. Yavin4 Nov 12 #11
A terrifying assault on our country is being perpetuated from within... EarthFirst Nov 12 #13
YOU are 100% correct bluestarone Nov 12 #14
They want us to feel terrified and numb. yellow dahlia Nov 12 #38
But no those of us who have been saying BlueKota Nov 12 #16
This is really disturbing, anyone else freaked out by this? vapor2 Nov 12 #17
I'm freaked out about ALL his plans liberalmediaaddict Nov 12 #31
Yes. This is outrageous and of course unconstitutional. yorkster Nov 13 #52
Getting ready for the night of the long knives it appears. cstanleytech Nov 12 #18
I was skydive forever Nov 12 #46
We're so cooked. DJ Porkchop Nov 12 #19
Can some supply a no paywall link? Raine1967 Nov 12 #24
It often occurs that TWSJ. articles show up at mahatmakanejeeves Nov 12 #28
non paywall link AverageOldGuy Nov 12 #42
This article needs to be spread across platforms but his link doesn't allow text copy/pasting, so here's one that does. ancianita Nov 13 #59
Oh, my GOD. It has only been a week and he's already dismantling our national security. Or I should say completing LaMouffette Nov 12 #25
Why are so many going passively into the night? yellow dahlia Nov 12 #39
Did he get this treasonous idea from Putin.............or some other fuck head.......... turbinetree Nov 12 #27
Lest we not forgot Theproletariat Nov 12 #29
Welcome to DU! AZJonnie Nov 12 #36
NO, Obama did not "fire 200 generals" AverageOldGuy Nov 12 #41
I never said generals Theproletariat Nov 12 #43
Irrelevant. Frankly I don't know what you're playing at here. Karasu Nov 12 #50
Be careful of believing what you hear. We are in the age of "king propaganda". jaxexpat Nov 13 #56
I don't know where you are getting your information. Emile Nov 13 #61
Any list of 200 people falls squarely in the Gish Gallop category. Emile Nov 13 #64
Think About What Milley Said JR11 Nov 13 #67
Trump clearly intends to have his loyal generals do something the rest would not do. bucolic_frolic Nov 12 #30
To finish what he started in late 2020 liberalmediaaddict Nov 12 #34
a "warrior board" of retired senior military personnel keithbvadu2 Nov 12 #32
So instead of keeping military personnel with experience and temperament they are putting in MAGA idiots ? kimbutgar Nov 12 #35
A wanna-be dictator making sure AleksS Nov 12 #37
Link without paywall AverageOldGuy Nov 12 #40
Sounds like he's afraid of a military coup attempt. LudwigPastorius Nov 12 #44
Well, this isn't Stalin-esque at all ... VMA131Marine Nov 12 #47
Purge the military MissouriDem47 Nov 12 #48
When Putin was threatening tactical nukes in Ukraine... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 13 #51
It is Bidens command for a couple of months yet. He could take it out for a spin before he hands it over to Trump. jaxexpat Nov 13 #57
Maybe you can add this non-paywall that allows copy-pasting to your OP? ancianita Nov 13 #60
He wants loyal-to-Trump generals who will follow his unlawful orders * Oopsie Daisy Nov 13 #62
Is this legal? HarryM Nov 13 #63
Any retired military officer who joins that band of traitors should be stripped of their rank and benefits. As they too. usaf-vet Nov 13 #66
Begging for his own removal orangecrush Nov 13 #69
Well, this I do believe Dan Nov 13 #70

Harker

(14,925 posts)
9. He wants generals like Hitler had, so that would figure.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:03 PM
Nov 12

Last edited Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:22 PM - Edit history (1)

How long before the new armbands and Trumpsky salute?

Harker

(14,925 posts)
21. His ignorance of history is appalling.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:19 PM
Nov 12

John Kelly had to tell him about the assassination attempts repeatedly.

July 20 seems too far off.

Harker

(14,925 posts)
58. Probably nothing, but the July 20, 1944 bomb plot carried out
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:51 AM
Nov 13

against Hitler exploded a briefcase bomb in the same room with him.

jaxexpat

(7,782 posts)
55. Now just calm down there, SharonAnn. There's a lot of folks here who do not appreciate even thinking......
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:32 AM
Nov 13

about any kind of coloring outside the lines of traditional procedure. They're likely to send you a message telling you to curb your "unhinged attitude". You'll need statistics, evidence and actual stuff "in triplicate" if you're gonna talk like that.

? Yes......................... but they really do exist.

red dog 1

(29,287 posts)
71. Hitler made all Jewish people wear armbands....Will President VonShitzInPantz make all Democrats wear armbands?
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:44 PM
Friday

Harker

(14,925 posts)
72. He's going to have a hard time making most of us do any such thing.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 06:50 PM
Friday

He'll over reach along those lines pretty quickly, though.

I'm not much for goosestepping, either!

woodsprite

(12,199 posts)
4. I figure they'll have to kiss his a$$ or ask "How high?"
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:00 PM
Nov 12

When he tells them to “Jump!”, he’ll import their replacements from Russia.

ffr

(23,127 posts)
6. Dangerous. Half, because he then can instruct such Proud Boys to round up his enemies for atrocities.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:02 PM
Nov 12

Dark and ugly is just around the corner.

7. Which General will have the guts?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:02 PM
Nov 12

Which Generals and their commands will have the guts and fealty to the Constitution to smoke the treasonous bastards.

mellow

(97 posts)
8. He's weakening our military.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:03 PM
Nov 12

The best military leaders are not the same set of people as those who will kiss his ass.

keithbvadu2

(40,083 posts)
33. pledging fealty to...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:27 PM
Nov 12

Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-fuehrer-oath

(before August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will at all times loyally and honestly
serve my people and country
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

The Fuehrer Oath
(effective August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

Yavin4

(36,362 posts)
11. Imagine the outrage if Obama, Biden, Clinton or any other Democratic president did this.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:07 PM
Nov 12

There would be calls for impeachment right off the rip.

EarthFirst

(3,149 posts)
13. A terrifying assault on our country is being perpetuated from within...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:18 PM
Nov 12

I feel entirely helpless and numb watching this unfold.

bluestarone

(18,220 posts)
14. YOU are 100% correct
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:22 PM
Nov 12

Nobody wants to even think about what they can and WILL do to our country. It will be TOO LATE!

BlueKota

(3,643 posts)
16. But no those of us who have been saying
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:49 PM
Nov 12

he will turn the U.S. into a modern Nazi Germany are just hyperbolizing.

liberalmediaaddict

(936 posts)
31. I'm freaked out about ALL his plans
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:23 PM
Nov 12

It's like a house of horrors.
His voters love the way he strikes fear into the rest of us who hate him.

ancianita

(38,514 posts)
59. This article needs to be spread across platforms but his link doesn't allow text copy/pasting, so here's one that does.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:06 AM
Nov 13

It's from the Internet Archive using the Wayback Machine (I think).

https://archive.ph/muWOx

LaMouffette

(2,263 posts)
25. Oh, my GOD. It has only been a week and he's already dismantling our national security. Or I should say completing
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:47 PM
Nov 12

the dismantling of our national security. It's like Putin gave him a punch list:


Fill cabinet with Putin-approved Trump loyalists, check!
Purge the generals, check!
Demand recess appointments, check!
Give the executive the power to declare any organization a terrorist organization, check!

What the hell can be done? This is some serious fucking shit!

 

Theproletariat

(42 posts)
29. Lest we not forgot
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:01 PM
Nov 12

Obama fired almost 200 military officers in in several years of his presidency.

Not saying this isn’t concerning about the orange man, but I feel like getting outraged about this could be a trap.

AZJonnie

(75 posts)
36. Welcome to DU!
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:29 PM
Nov 12

I just ran your assertion by chatGPT to gauge how accurate it is. Here is the result, in case you're interested.

Me: Is it true that "Obama fired almost 200 military officers in in several years of his presidency"?

ChatGPT said: During President Obama’s two terms, there were indeed significant changes within the military's leadership, but the claim that he "fired almost 200 military officers" is misleading and often taken out of context.

Several factors contributed to the departure of senior officers during Obama's presidency:

Routine Retirements and Resignations: Many officers retired or resigned, as is typical in any administration. Senior military roles naturally rotate due to promotions, new appointments, and retirements.

Budget Cuts and Downsizing: Due to sequestration (automatic federal budget cuts) and post-Iraq and Afghanistan drawdowns, the military was reducing its overall size. This downsizing affected personnel at all levels, including senior officers.

Accountability and Misconduct: In some instances, officers were relieved of duty or removed due to personal or professional misconduct. This is not unusual and happens under every administration as part of maintaining military discipline and standards.

Policy Differences: While there were some disagreements between senior military officials and Obama’s administration on policies, including the pace of troop withdrawals, these differences did not generally result in direct firings. However, some officers chose to retire if they felt they could not fully support the administration's direction.

These changes in military leadership were influenced by a combination of routine rotations, budget constraints, disciplinary actions, and occasional policy disagreements, rather than a mass “firing” of officers.

Karasu

(93 posts)
50. Irrelevant. Frankly I don't know what you're playing at here.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:55 PM
Nov 12

Obama didn't create an entire board for the sole purpose of purging military officials he didn't like.

JR11

(29 posts)
67. Think About What Milley Said
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 08:34 AM
Nov 13

Hard choices are to be made, but as sure as night follows day, fear and indecision is exactly where these fascists want us to be.

liberalmediaaddict

(936 posts)
34. To finish what he started in late 2020
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:27 PM
Nov 12

Although I'm not sure why. The Supreme Court said he can do anything he wants as President without getting charged with a crime.

kimbutgar

(23,254 posts)
35. So instead of keeping military personnel with experience and temperament they are putting in MAGA idiots ?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 12

By 2026 we’ll be a part of the USSR and a communist nation.

Please give him the wrong nuclear codes President Biden when you leave!

AleksS

(1,699 posts)
37. A wanna-be dictator making sure
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:32 PM
Nov 12

that his hand-picked generals are in charge of the armed forces and that any generals not firstly-loyal to him are removed from the chain of command..........I don't see how that could possibly go wrong.

WTF.

LudwigPastorius

(10,782 posts)
44. Sounds like he's afraid of a military coup attempt.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 10:30 PM
Nov 12

That must mean he's planning to do something that would provoke a military coup attempt.

MissouriDem47

(42 posts)
48. Purge the military
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 10:59 PM
Nov 12

is the first thing on dictators to do list. Stalin's purge of generals officers cost Russia dearly at the start of WWII.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,113 posts)
51. When Putin was threatening tactical nukes in Ukraine...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:06 AM
Nov 13

... one of our retired Generals or Admirals stated, "if they use tactical nukes, the Russian Navy would be sunk in about 4 hours".

Perhaps that is why.

jaxexpat

(7,782 posts)
57. It is Bidens command for a couple of months yet. He could take it out for a spin before he hands it over to Trump.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:46 AM
Nov 13

Or, better yet he could refuse to give the "pinks*" to Trump at all. Sort of a pre-repossession.

*Hotrod racing reference to automobile titles, pink slips.

ancianita

(38,514 posts)
60. Maybe you can add this non-paywall that allows copy-pasting to your OP?
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:09 AM
Nov 13
https://archive.ph/muWOx

Also, hp, I'm passing along the Internet Archive page that another DU'er so generously linked to me, so you can use it for future non-paywall links. It's in the link above, but this one can also serve.

https://archive.ph

Oopsie Daisy

(4,498 posts)
62. He wants loyal-to-Trump generals who will follow his unlawful orders *
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:01 AM
Nov 13

* and who will fire on US citizens. He fears the possibility of a military coup when he starts rounding-up and executing "the enemy within".

HarryM

(144 posts)
63. Is this legal?
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:09 AM
Nov 13

If it’s nothing the law or constitution, it’s not legal, and needs to be taken to court. He cannot be permitted to get away with stuff like this.

usaf-vet

(6,892 posts)
66. Any retired military officer who joins that band of traitors should be stripped of their rank and benefits. As they too.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 08:18 AM
Nov 13

.... will join the ranks of US Military Soldiers who took an oath to Support and Defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Those who would join that band of traitors would ignore their oath, dishonoring themselves and all who have served.


Dan

(4,095 posts)
70. Well, this I do believe
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:26 PM
Nov 13

The Military Corporation will take care of its own.

Trump should have studied more while in remedial high school or College.

Mess with the military and they will defend their own….heehee.

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