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BumRushDaShow

(142,212 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:27 AM Sunday

'This is Life or Death': Former HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius Says Trump's RFK Jr. Nomination May 'End Up Killing People'

Source: MEDIAite

Nov 16th, 2024, 7:34 pm


Former Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius said on MSNBC Saturday that if Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s does take over as head of HHS, it could “end up killing people.”

Earlier this week, President-elect Donald Trump nominated Kennedy to lead HHS, sparking controversy amongst lawmakers and media pundits. For decades, Kennedy has held anti-vaccine beliefs, including about the Covid-19 vaccine.

During an interview on Saturday with MSNBC anchor Jonathan Capehart, Sebelius claimed that Kennedy’s anti-vaccine beliefs are “totally disqualifying” for him to lead the agency while adding that his nomination is “life or death.”

I think that we’re talking about magnitudes of danger beyond erroneously making legal decisions. This is life or death. The HHS affects people from birth to their grave and is intimately connected with every state in the country. So this could be very dangerous. I think it’s totally disqualifying for anyone who seeks to lead the major health agency in this country and one of the leaders in the world to just unequivocally say there is no safe and effective vaccine.


Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/this-is-life-or-death-former-hhs-sec-kathleen-sebelius-says-trumps-rfk-jr-nomination-may-end-up-killing-people/
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'This is Life or Death': Former HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius Says Trump's RFK Jr. Nomination May 'End Up Killing People' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
Trump was responsible for the deaths of hundred of thousands of Americans during the Covid-19 pandemic. sop Sunday #1
GQP don't care.... Lovie777 Sunday #2
Those who voted for Trump chose him to destroy the government, the deep state. Lonestarblue Sunday #3
Thune has stated that the filibuster will not be removed from procedural rules. shotten99 Sunday #4
Not "may," will. Goodbye to the NIH. NNadir Sunday #5
Yes, that was being generous. LisaM Sunday #24
And what will happen to the FDA? Mike 03 Sunday #6
Looking to Jan 21th... What is an FDA? LiberalArkie Sunday #17
Food and Drug Administration HUAJIAO Sunday #20
Not in 2025/6. Evolve Dammit Sunday #29
What is it? HUAJIAO Sunday #35
Don't know. They want to burn it all down. We shall see, but should be more clear in next two years. Evolve Dammit Sunday #36
New Saying - "When you want to try to burn it all down... The Madcap Sunday #38
yep Evolve Dammit Sunday #40
The point is to cause deaths, injury, suffering. Irish_Dem Sunday #7
Agreed Punx Sunday #22
Yep. Evolve Dammit Sunday #30
Trump is incompetent on multiple levels bmichaelh Sunday #8
R party has chosen to be all in on the side of mass deaths. Clouds Passing Sunday #9
Yes, it is obvious to anybody who is paying attention the RFK is throwing a monkey wrench into the safeguards against Martin68 Sunday #10
Trump told RFKjr "to go have some fun" as head of HHS. Irish_Dem Sunday #31
the impox virus is now in CA...nasty disease 4-10% death rate. With a non science dude in position...oh gawd PortTack Sunday #11
Those of who survived the first pandemic may not survive the second one. Irish_Dem Sunday #32
Duh, no kidding PatSeg Sunday #12
May? MAY? Prairie Gates Sunday #13
No, they absolutely will end up killing people. ananda Sunday #14
They really don't care. Ideologues only care about their ideology. louis-t Sunday #15
This is what the people who voted for him wanted. Autumn Sunday #16
chaos poozwah Sunday #18
GQP: Cult of Death C0RI0LANUS Sunday #19
It could be called The Madcap Sunday #39
Thank you. "Passive genocide" meaning "passive self-national suicide" is what I am resolving in my thought process. C0RI0LANUS Sunday #41
Yes, but we should try to understand their feelings about why they want people to die. Solly Mack Sunday #21
I just don't get why someone who has no medical training and degree is eligible to be in charge of the HHS kimbutgar Sunday #23
you think! larwdem Sunday #25
You mean killing MORE people sakabatou Sunday #26
No may about it. 3catwoman3 Sunday #27
well. 45's response and lies to the pandemic cost tens of thousands of lives, so yeeeaaahhh. Evolve Dammit Sunday #28
The question isn't "if", but "how many." n/t Harker Sunday #33
My children were followed for 15 years Danmel Sunday #34
"Life or death"? Do you mean like the so and so's Firestorm49 Sunday #37

sop

(11,176 posts)
1. Trump was responsible for the deaths of hundred of thousands of Americans during the Covid-19 pandemic.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:33 AM
Sunday

Now he's delegating that job to RFK Jr.

Lovie777

(14,993 posts)
2. GQP don't care....
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:37 AM
Sunday

It won’t be them nor their family and friends so they think.

Just like they don’t care about women and infant morality from Abortion bans.

Lonestarblue

(11,807 posts)
3. Those who voted for Trump chose him to destroy the government, the deep state.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:52 AM
Sunday

They gave him full control of Congress so that he would have no pushback there. Given the blatant partisanship of the Supreme Court, he may well have little or no pushback there. Whoever becomes Secretary of Defense will have one job—get rid of all military leaders loyal to the Constitution and democratic governance and replace them with people who will follow Trump’s every order without question, no matter how crazed or illegal.

The media is still treating Trump as a normal president and keeping their heads in the sand about what he obviously plans to do.

shotten99

(671 posts)
4. Thune has stated that the filibuster will not be removed from procedural rules.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:03 AM
Sunday

It’s a bit frightening to think that this is the only safeguard left in the federal government.

Mike 03

(16,770 posts)
6. And what will happen to the FDA?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:29 AM
Sunday

They have a great website. They also oversee and warn about recalls, everything from dog food and nutraceuticals to impurities in pharmaceuticals.

The Madcap

(374 posts)
38. New Saying - "When you want to try to burn it all down...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:32 PM
Sunday

you'd better make sure there's no gasoline on your clothes."

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
7. The point is to cause deaths, injury, suffering.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:05 AM
Sunday

Part of terrorizing and weakening the country.

Trump killed 1 million people during covid.
Probably trying to break his old record.

bmichaelh

(599 posts)
8. Trump is incompetent on multiple levels
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:24 AM
Sunday

I am a lymphoma survivor; I was first diagnosed in 1990; I am in my third remission.

It returned in 2019.
I went through 4 different type of treatments over 2 years. All failed.
The 5th treatment was successful.

For me to reach, remission, a minimum of 3 things had to happen.

The ACA was approved in 2010 giving me lifetime limits protections.
The drug I used to achieved remission received fast-track approval by FDA in 2020.
My healthcare provider successfully appealed denial of same drug by my insurer.

Trump and his appointees put me at risk by at least 2 levels:
Affordable Care Act
Food and Drug Administration

RFK Jr has no business near the FDA.

Martin68

(24,597 posts)
10. Yes, it is obvious to anybody who is paying attention the RFK is throwing a monkey wrench into the safeguards against
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:15 AM
Sunday

threats to national health and epidemic response systems.

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
31. Trump told RFKjr "to go have some fun" as head of HHS.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:44 PM
Sunday

The point is to throw as many monkey wrenches as possible into national health systems.

PortTack

(34,642 posts)
11. the impox virus is now in CA...nasty disease 4-10% death rate. With a non science dude in position...oh gawd
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:17 AM
Sunday

Here we go again.

PatSeg

(49,721 posts)
12. Duh, no kidding
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:31 AM
Sunday

How many deaths from Covid could be attributed to Trump, his administration, and their policies? It will come of no surprise that a new Trump administration will "end up killing people".

louis-t

(23,708 posts)
15. They really don't care. Ideologues only care about their ideology.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:10 AM
Sunday

If all of their stupid ideas were to be implemented, they would call it a utopia. The rest of the world would call it Hellscape.

poozwah

(276 posts)
18. chaos
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:57 AM
Sunday

more disease equals more chaos which is the aim of these people. as people become ill, they will blame it on a villain as yet unnamed, but one can guess it won’t be white males.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,299 posts)
19. GQP: Cult of Death
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:07 PM
Sunday

The GQP seems to somehow benefit from useless American deaths from either non-vaxxing, insane gun laws, de-regulation, lack of medical insurance, or military misadventures.

For example, the Trump/Vance response to US school shootings: "Get over it" or "it's a fact of life." Another DU-er posted the incredible number of preventable COVID deaths under #45.

Now a non-Vaxxer may lead HHS.

This is not to knock any profession in the US whatsoever and I mean no offense to anyone. Many of my friends are progressive attorneys, so I ask this rhetorically:

Are the majority of lawyers who handle the estates of deceased people in probate court Republicans? Are the majority of funeral parlor owners in the US Republicans? Are the majority of health insurance company CEOs Republicans? Are the majority of firearms company CEOs Republicans?

Seems to me that a select sector of the US economy simply benefits from useless American deaths which will continue unabated.

Again, I mean no offense to any attorneys or undertakers on DU.





C0RI0LANUS

(1,299 posts)
41. Thank you. "Passive genocide" meaning "passive self-national suicide" is what I am resolving in my thought process.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:11 PM
Sunday

The Broederbond in Suid-Afrika realized to save the Boer people they had to relinquish power to Mr. Nelson Mandela. Dr. Bernard (D/BOSS) and President P. W. Botha negotiated the end of brutal apartheid and saved the Boers, Anglos, Xhosas, and Zulus from an extinctive civil war.

How are the Republicans in the USA saving white people from "passive genocide" by allowing 42,000 gun deaths a year or refusing vaccines?

This boggles the mind. White people are not invulnerable to bullets or disease like Superman.

Thank you again for the term which I shall explore.



Solly Mack

(92,750 posts)
21. Yes, but we should try to understand their feelings about why they want people to die.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:53 PM
Sunday

It will help us grow as people until their votes and their policies kill us.

kimbutgar

(23,254 posts)
23. I just don't get why someone who has no medical training and degree is eligible to be in charge of the HHS
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:01 PM
Sunday

3catwoman3

(25,430 posts)
27. No may about it.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:25 PM
Sunday

I know this is largely preaching to the choir. Vaccination is one of the, if not the most effective public health measure known to the human race.

Good current article from October 27, 2024 in Nature -

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03412-3#:~:text=The%20Lancet%20study%20found%20that,problems%20that%20many%20diseases%20cause.

Danmel

(5,233 posts)
34. My children were followed for 15 years
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:59 PM
Sunday

In an NIH research program for genetic research. It was incredibly helpful and everyone there is so compassionate and caring. People come from all over the world for care and for hope. I'm so depressed.

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