I live in "farm" country. Its more like a giant factory that grows clones across 90% of the land around here. The few "family farms" left that are actually owned and run on property owned by those farming the land have net worths in 6 to 7 figures. If you are an "individual" farmer with less than 500 acres you have tough road to hoe on your own to put it mildly. Your only recourse is to sell which would give you a nice lump sum you could possibly retire with, or to lease your land to a bigger neighbor or Cargill or Pioneer or some factory farm group which would give you a semi decent income (the latter is what the majority of smaller land owners around here do) and still give you the security of ownership of some dirt.

Now I'm not as familiar with farming that requires physical labor to harvest the crop as opposed to million dollar machines but I would bet a majority of them are fairly large multi million dollar enterprises. I could be wrong of course.

Regardless, the majority of "farming" in this country anymore is a fairly big to gigantic business. I honestly don't see many if any of the small struggling farmers around here I did in the 70's and 80's. All I see is 7k sq ft homes with 200k dollars of pickups, SUV's and nice cars in the driveways and giant mansion like 100k sq ft pole barns with 10 million dollars worth of farm equipment inside.

Those little old farm houses out here that are left are rentals.

I'd like to see an income breakdown of which "farmers" voted for who is all I'm saying

Many of them farms.

My wife's family are farmers in Maryland. They voted for Trump. To a person.

My family are farmers in Nebraska. They voted for Trump. To a person.

To a person.

Trump will make money on all of his policies.
Then Trump will also make money selling the exemptions.

Everyone gets screwed but Trump.

I am sure they did, so now live with your choice.

for times like this.

SITUATIONALLY. Like their ethics and integrity.

However I hope they succeed. Getting rid of farm labor. That’s the ticket to prosperity.

or human trafficking. The Maga planners will set up a guest worker program where the most desperate come without their families, work for a pittance, live in camps. and have no rights.

Cheap slave labor In undocumented immigrants.

Shame on America for going back to the orange monster.

"Shame on America for going back to the orange monster."

the real question is, what happens next? And the options go from terrible to horrifying. The stated option is to deport them all, leaving no workers to pick our food, do our manual labour, etc. The economy grinds to a halt, the national dept soars (just how much is all this going to cost?), and chaos results.

Option 2; they use the immigrants they have collected as a form of slave labour, renting them out to farms and factories, maybe even branching out into union busting possibilities; ironic, using a government program to actually take jobs away from American citizens. Which inevitably leads to

Option 3: Run these camps much as the Nazi’s did. Work people to death, starve them, eliminate the old and infirm, anyone who isn’t productive.

I know; it sounds like a dystopian fantasy, but since option 1, the stated intent of this “round them up” policy isn’t going to work, what happens after all the undocumented immigrants are placed in camps?

Let’s hope this whole thing is just more “build that wall” rhetoric that actually goes nowhere.

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Won't have to pay them either.

due to the fact that several of them will die from smallpox, polio etc. since they won’t be vaccinated

by the incoming guy will want special treatment. Of course they'll be asked to give something in return. That is how kleptocracies are born.

Racism works by its own logic. That logic does not compromise with reality.

Wisconsin farmers are keening and wailing about losing their paid farmhands, but they voted for it!

They also know they're not going to get CCC farmer welfare again this go around with Trump. First of all, the CCC slush fund is no more, and second, he doesn't NEED them for anything anymore. Nothing.

This will allow temporary stays to fill the jobs they used to have, but under less favorable conditions.
No chance of citizenship. poorer work conditions, and less pay.
It will probably be workers only, no families, and always the threat of being deported again.
We need the workers, but the Republicans want them to be just a small step away from being slaves.
This is how white men plan to control black and brown people in post Democratic America.

Folk economic theories are full of wildly incorrect zero sum thinking.

How it actually works:
Immigrants get deported
Leads to businesses shutting down
Leads to born-and-bred Americans losing their marketing, sales, and manager jobs
Leads to those workers wasting their skills taking low paying jobs, displacing new workers
Leads to those newly displaced workers fighting for "the jobs Americans won't do"

It's magical thinking that deporting immigrants will lead to the same employment levels and somehow higher wages for Americans. People think an immigrant comes here and takes a job from an American. No, they come here and make a (possibly different) job for an American. When they are deported the job they held isn't then given to an American (zero sum). The job they held is lost, as are the jobs that depended on that job (negative sum).

but none for THEE

in order to bring in immigrants from autocratic nations like
Russia.

Notwithstanding a very large private prison population to'use
as slave labor.

Maybe they shouldn't have supported the Orange Menace. Just saying I have no sympathy.

They deceive. Rubes believe.

did the farmer vote for the orange asshole? did he give enough money? is he groveling enough? how much money can we shake him down for before he will kiss our feet?

Where were these Farm Groups before the election???

They have no princples. Live by your word.
Not another penny for subsidies.

"They want representation for their hatred but only to the extent it doesn't inconvenience them... Typical conservatives" ... brilliantly stated by other poster.

They might get special treatment if they donated big bucks but even then I wouldn't count on any favors from President Psychopath.

As a farmer who would never vote for Pedo Trump, I can honestly say these people in charge, those ignorant Trump MAGAts, don't know what the hell they are talking about.

There are perfectly legal migrant farm workers and food processing immigrants. H2-A visas I think.

You can hire foreign immigrants by the hundreds and hundreds to work your fields or process your animals for mere pennies.(they call it "process food" but it's corporate owned slaughter houses like Tyson, Koch industries and Smithfield, which have taken over all the slaughter houses so small farmers can Not compete with them.)

They are all migrants who are here in a special program that houses them at the farm or slaughter houses....some return across the border the same day, if they are close to Mexico. They are bussed in by Tyson or the farmers then bussed back across the border after work.

But some stay the full season to pick your fruits and vegetables. Then they go onto other farms to pick. It's a planned rotational seasons to pick throughout the US. And it's a perfectly legal system. Not ethical but legal.

But you can hire a farm labor contractor who gets you hundreds of desperate people to pick your vegetables. And the picker's pay is usually way below minimum wage. But you have to hire a minimum number. Not sure what that number is but a friend tried it and said they were required to hire 300 seasonal migrants.

But I think the MAGAts are going to round those people up too, because they are too stupid to know what a legal visa is. If they force them into concentration camps, then the US government can pick up the tab to send them out to slaughter houses, farms and warehouses for free slave labor. It frees up Tyson, Koch industries and Amazon from having to transport, house or feed them. It's what China does with prisoners and other farm workers.

I guess deporting their workers is the only way they will understand beyond the headlines. Consequences.

You voted knowing his policies.
You gave full throated support to this guy.
YOu handed over fat stacks of cash to this guy knowing his policies.

He needs to go after you people who knowingly hire undocumented workers. You shoudl be the first in line for jail and fines.

I'm guessing of course, but I don't think they care all that much.
Thinking as "economic man", what this means is that their immediate costs and expenses (like record-keeping) will go up, maybe a lot. They may have shortage of workers to deal with. No business likes that.

They will work it out (they'll find some way of solving those problems & getting the work done) and they'll pass along the inevitable higher costs to the next party in the chain, ultimately to the consumer.

We have to eat - so we will pay. It's not like we can skip buying a flat screen tv, or keep that janky old car running a few years longer.
In some respects, this is actually good -this industry shouldn't be scamming these workers (and directly, we are too).

The other factor is that this is the beginning of the obvious grifting and corruption regime that tariffs will bring with it. Think of how the income tax system evolved.
This is bad but fill in your own reasons.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Of course, we will all suffer from an increase in food prices.

Resistance is resistance. I hope they raise a monumental rukus.

I was with a dairy farmer from NY who has over 1000 head of cattle - and counts on 'migrant workers' to keep his farm going. Says he can't hire locals - they won't apply for the job.
Since IQ45 (not IQ47 - it SURELY has not gone up!) was running the first time, I asked him what he was going to do if 'tRump' does indeed build the wall. His response: "I just hope they're on THIS side of it when it goes up."

I don't know how he voted, but they 'knew it' and were aware of what it meant to them.

This mornings KC Star op-ed page had a piece on what could happen to the state of Kansas should the president elect's promise of deportations take effect. As an agribusiness oriented state which processes a large portion of the nation's beef products, the consequences don't look pretty. There may be a paywall.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article295997344.html

the undocumented in blue states, not red state Kansas.

The fascist will be going after the undocumented in blue states, and not the red states. He's already threatening blue states with cutting off fed money if they don't cooperate.

There is no farm voting bloc. That is a myth. All food related occupations comprise only 10.4 percent of U.S. employment, or 22 million people. Of those, 12.7 million work in food services, 3.3 million in food and beverage stores, 2.1 million in food, beverage and tobacco manufacturing, one million in forestry and fishing.

What are we left with? How many are actually on farms? 2.6 million, or 1.2% of the total umber of people in food related occupations. Of those how many are actually owners? Most of the people working on the farms here in the Midwest are not owners, overwhelmingly so. The owners are the farmers, not the farm workers. By the way, here it is mostly small farms and about 40% of the growers vote Democratic.

Ergo, the number of farmers voting for Trump is an exceedingly tiny percentage of the voting population.

Trump and the Republicans will take good care of the big owners, don’t worry about that. Yes, the owners are complaining, and the Republicans are listening. I can promise you that.

The deportation process will include a layover at a deportation farm. Farmers will not only get free labor, but they will receive payment for feeding and housing their guest workers. Layover time depends on the season and could last a year or more...

Hit them with a double whammy! I'm sure Trump will have his hand out for a 'campaign contribution'.

of the Corporate States of America will be more than happy to provide a workforce in cooperation with Corrections Corporation of America at a mutually agreed upon price.

Deep down, Republicans LOVE and NEED their easily exploited pool of cheap, disposable labor... None of these white Trumpers are ever lining up to harvest crops for a living 😅