The question is, how bad do things have to get before people understand that action will have to be taken if we want things to change.

Maybe we should ask John Parker?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Parker_(captain)

(Say what you want. As far as I am concerned, we are at that point now.)

If we can’t even get our people to come out and vote, how do we get them to fight?

And it may have to be millions of people on the streets protesting and during Trump‘s presidency and then let them bring out the military and let them be hard on the people of America so it wakes people up

That would almost be too late, but it might get enough people to wake the hell up to what is going on.

IT just announced that IT was going to try and change the electoral processes. Sure, one might say he has no authority to do that. But he does have Congress and The Supreme Court in his pocket. He does have several governors and their legislative bodies as well. I do not see the wisdom in downplaying the threat IT and IT's cronies present to our country.

That link takes me to a generic wiki page listing a whole bunch of John Parkers.

I am referring to Capt. John Parker, in command of the Massachusetts Milita at Lexington. April 19th, 1775

Remember. These are the fools who decided a president could legally "remove" someone from existence IF it were an "official act."
Now, imagine the court making a ruling against the orange piece of shit that he really hates or causes problems for his cronies. Don't you think they understand just how dangerous their positions and lives are beholding to this crazy ass and that they would NEVER rule aginst his wishes to insure their and their family safety? Do you think for a second he wouldn't come up with an "official act" to "remove" a Justice that ruled against him? He can ALWAYS replace that one with another, more radical one!
NO, there will be no "major" decisions against anything the asshole in charge nor what any wealthy Republican Business wants if not only to insure their continued life, liberty and happiness...theirs, but not ours.

As to a comment down farther about what can we fight with...public strikes and slow downs are the first line. And there are a lot of places where ideas can be gleaned before they are removed by those in power. You might be surprised at how many sites give good info on just how to "voice" your opinion if you have little to no other choice in life. However, those who are in the better-off middle to higher plains of income are never going to sacrifice THEIR positions because they're ok, right now. Their bills are paid, they have good jobs (so far), better than adequate healthcare and insurance, their kids go to soccer and ballet classes so if it doesn't really affect them, why should they care?

But if the tide starts to turn either against their "own little worlds" or it looks as though the PTB are going to lose, THEN they will help. Until then, "since it doesn't affect me (us)", the rest can suffer.

Search the net...there are a lot of realistic suggestions on how to handle all kinds of things. You might find one you can live with, for a while.

are not satisfied with having it ALL. They want no one else to have anything. They don't want the rest of us to even have representation in the US House or Congress.

Gee, which way do you think this court is inclined to go?

because the current system is completely rotten and needs to be cleaned out completely.

The obscene financial donations from people like Musk are a case in point regarding WHY it needs to happen, and I expect they will do a deep dive into this last election to find all the loopholes that were exploited, so they can try to close them in updated legislative markups. Unfortunately since we will not be Chairs of any chamber's Committees, we are going to have to do "shadow" Committee meetings.

all speaking a similar coherent message

If they’re doing all this stuff before they even get into power, can you imagine what they will do when they actually have their fearless leader installed? It’s mind-boggling.

The billionaire criminal class wants more money and the GOP will give it to them.

I got a bridge hasn't been built but I got bridge ................we already know what Roberts and the gang thinks...........friggin yeah..........

Fuck them all.