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FightFight

(202 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 06:19 PM Dec 7

Hunter Biden Was Unfairly Prosecuted. His father did the right thing.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: theatlantic

Critics have argued that President Joe Biden's pardon of his son Hunter was political nepotism--bad for the country, selfish, the height of privilege. But the actual story is the very opposite of nepotism: Hunter Biden was treated worse than an ordinary citizen because of his family connections. It's good for the country when the president acts against injustice; President Biden rightly condemned the injustice of his son's prosecution. His pardon was necessary to prevent Donald Trump's Justice Department from targeting Hunter for years to come.

Read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/12/hunter-biden-pardon-defense/680899/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo



LETS TALK CRIMINALITY SHALL WE

A--- FBI investigating Ivanka Trump's dealings and financing of Trump International Hotel and Tower in Vancouver: report---, THEN SURPRISE THAT TRUMP TOWER CLOSED FOR GOOD https://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/fbi-investigating-ivanka-trumps-dealings-and-financing-of-trump-international-hotel-and-tower-in-vancouver-report

B- Alleged fraudster in Panama, working with Ivanka, helped make Trump's first international hotel venture a success. The broker was in business with a money-launderer and two criminals from the former Soviet Union-- Russia Russia Russia. Then he fled. TRUMP HOTEL PANAMA KICKED THE TRUMP'S OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF TRUMP FRAUD IN 2018--https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/16/panama-hotel-votes-to-drop-trump--but-his-company-wont-go.html

C--Ivanka Trump's ex-business partner ensnared in federal fraud probe https://www.timesofisrael.com/ivanka-trumps-ex-business-partner-ensnared-in-federal-fraud-probe/

D---Ivanka's Diamond business was embroiled in alleged fraud https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-diamonds-caught-alleged-money-laundering-scheme-757168

E--Chilean billionaire rented home to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump then got permission for mine--Ivanka Trump's Landlord Is a Chilean Billionaire Suing the U.S. Government--President Donald Trump's daughter and her husband, White House adviser Jared Kushner, live in a Kalorama house owned by a Chilean business titan. His company is suing the U.S. over a Minnesota mine https://www.wsj.com/articles/ivanka-trumps-landlord-is-a-chilean-billionaire-suing-the-u-s-government-1489000307

F-- Surprise: Ivanka Trump's Signature Women's Initiative Was a Massive Failure https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/04/ivanka-trump-gao-report

G--Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump use private email servers --NOT A WORD ABOUT THIS FROM THE NYT AFTER SCREAING AT HILLARY THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN SEASON OF 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html-

H--Ivanka and Jared both failed to get security clearances-Jared lied on his application MULTIPLE times--IN THE DOUBLE DIGIT OR TRIPLE DIGIT REALM ACCORDING TO REPORTS--he revised and lied on the forms---lying once is a felony https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html

I- Ivanka--who purportedly closed her business in 2018 to avoid further conflicts of interest--was somehow still reporting income from her company in 2019. The American people deserve an "explanation as to how a business can both cease all operations and still be making her as much as a million dollars a year," https://www.thedailybeast.com/theres-already-a-corrupt-presidential-kid-her-name-is-ivanka-trump/

j- Ivanka Trump accompanied her father on his presidential interview with 60 Minutes. Ivanka's upscale jewelry brand used her father's political appearance to promote a $10,800 bracelet she had worn during the broadcast. https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/15/news/companies/ivanka-trump-bracelet-promotion/index.html

K - After Donald Trump left his seat among other world leaders during the G20 summit in order to attend another meeting, Ivanka Trump took his place. Given that Ivanka is his daughter, a business owner, and an unelected figure in the White House, many questioned the propriety of her presence at the high-level diplomatic meeting https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-ivanka/trump-defends-ivankas-seat-at-g20-draws-rebuke-from-chelsea-clinton-idUSKBN19V1KH

L - Ivanka Trump used a personal email account for hundreds of government-related emails -- "many of them in violation of federal records rules," https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html

M - New York fraud investigators expanded their two cases into Trump and the Trump Organization, looking into tax write-offs on roughly $26 million in consulting fees. Of that money, the president's daughter, Ivanka Trump, was paid $747,622 in consulting fees in 2017 while she was actually an executive officer of Trump's companies. The offices of the Manhahttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/nyregion/trump-fraud-investigations-taxes.htmlttan district attorney and the New York state attorney general issued subpoenas to the Trump Organization in both investigations.

N - Ivanka Trump was Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud--New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz https://www.propublica.org/article/whoops-jared-kushner-made-even-more-mistakes-in-his-federal-filings

O- Ivanka's Coronavirus Advice Is a Giant Middle Finger to Parents Struggling During Coronavirus https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/03/ivanka-trump-coronavirus/
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70sEraVet

(4,235 posts)
1. So, Hunter lied on a form to purchase a gun.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 07:31 PM
Dec 7

When I enlisted in the military in the early 1970's, apparently there was a question on the form I filled out, about drug use. I must have answered 'No'.
A couple of weeks later, while in boot camp, the results came back from my urine sample. The results were not good. They were processing my discharge papers.
A lawyer on base helped me out. It turns out that when I took the drugs, it was BEFORE I was sworn in (my dad gave me an 'upper' that he got from a truck driving buddy so we could drink all night on the last night I was a civilian). So technically it was 'fraudulent enlistment' -- I lied on the enlistment form. But I had good recommendation from my Company Commander in boot camp (a decent old Navy Chief), and was able to stay in, finishing my four-year enlistment with an honorable discharge.
My point is, I 'broke the law' by knowingly checking the wrong box on a federal form, essentially lying about my drug use. Nobody threatened to throw me in prison -- I signed a paper saying I wouldnt do drugs again, and stayed in the military.
I guess a lot depends on who your dad is!

MyOwnPeace

(17,280 posts)
4. Great story - and you're SO right!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 07:54 PM
Dec 7

"A lot depends on who your dad is!"

Yeah, just ask any of the tRump kids..................

ancianita

(38,871 posts)
2. The Atlantic finally, solidly stands behind Joe Biden.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 07:46 PM
Dec 7
Joe did the righteous thing.

calimary

(84,606 posts)
10. That's how it's supposed to be.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:04 PM
Dec 7

LOVE this!

I’m always keenly interested in family traits. Probably because I’m adopted and don’t have much of a clue what mine might be. Seems like my son looks a little bit like me (only A LOT cuter), but you’d never guess our daughter was related to me.

Btw: I think Joe Biden’s legacy is gonna start growing on people. That orange creature will crumble by comparison. May take A LONG LONG time, but I bet the record, accomplishments, and general tone of America which he engendered will speak loud ‘n’ clear. It will be ABUNDANTLY demonstrated what a difference he made, in 4 years as President - as well as his 8 years of honorable service as Obama’s V. P.

I expect Joe Biden’s stature will rise in the history books, over time. ESPECIALLY in comparison to the weasel who came four years before him, and followed him for another (I hope ONLY) 4 years after that.

I keep hoping that sufficient numbers of American voters will wake up out of their trump stupor and realize across the board that we must NEVER EVER AGAIN fall for a “candidate” like this abominable, cold/hearted, power-hungry “Lyin’ King”!!!

ancianita

(38,871 posts)
12. Love your post!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:51 PM
Dec 7

Everything you say is heartfelt and true. The truth will be in the record, not just the narrative of historians.

We'll go through a dark time when tech powers team up with autocrats, but the conscience of millions and memories of both voters and non-voters will reawaken to when life didn't feel oppressive, and whether it's too late, we can't say yet, but by then Joe Biden will be honored as one of our best leaders.

madamesilverspurs

(16,080 posts)
3. From my perspective,
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 07:53 PM
Dec 7

the GOP weaponized Hunter and aimed him at his father. I can't fault Joe for neutralizing that threat.


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cadoman

(968 posts)
5. Joe corrected a grievous and politically motivated injustice -- and would have done the same for anyone else
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:07 PM
Dec 7

Regardless of race, religion, gender, political affiliation, or anything else.

He is a good man and has been an incredible President.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,801 posts)
6. Go back and read the rules for the Late Breaking News forum. Nt
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:13 PM
Dec 7

paleotn

(19,531 posts)
7. More people than I can count have walked with a wrist slap for vastly more.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:20 PM
Dec 7

This whole thing was political and nothing more. Biden said enough of this shit. I support him in his decision. It was the right move.

DallasNE

(7,589 posts)
8. Gun Charge
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:20 PM
Dec 7

HB wrongly stated he had no prior on drugs and purchased a gun. The purchase was not legal but the are no uses of the gun that were illegal. HB was found guilty on gun charges.

Kyle Rittenhouse was underage and talked a friend into buying him a gun. KR then talked his mother into taking him across State lines with his gun and ammo to protect cars during a BLM protest. When some of the protesters broke off and went past KR’s location he fired into the group when he felt threatened. 1 person was killed and 2 were injured by KR. KR eventually walked, a free man. Unequal justice, that’s for sure.

MichMan

(13,553 posts)
11. One was found guilty by a jury and one wasn't, was another difference
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:16 PM
Dec 7

Rittenhouse's mother did not drive him there.

Wonder Why

(4,718 posts)
9. Others getting away with committing crimes does not justify letting a defendant
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 09:04 PM
Dec 7

also get exonerated. He had an opportunity for a plea bargain but there was a difference of opinion between his attorney and the justice department as to the meaning of one of the terms.

Omaha Steve

(103,776 posts)
13. AFTER a review by forum hosts LOCKING
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 10:14 PM
Dec 7

Opinion piece.

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