because they have no birthplace and are not a citizen of anywhere?

this obsession he has with ending birthright citizenship.

So they will still be legal citizens, and can point to the Constitution, but they'll be deported. According to Trump.

He is TSF.

and it will be up to the SCOTUS to "know" and ACCEPT what it says in the Constitution, or otherwise throw it out. And if they cavalierly throw it out, then they throw themselves out with it.

The problem here is the M$M keeps accepting nonsense from the GOP as if it is "fact" and even "possible", while trying to take cover with weasel phrases like what was in this article "long enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution" or more generally, they'll just dryly regurgitate the "said without evidence" standard retort, and will move on without breathlessly correcting the record like they do to Democrats, while still promoting the GOP lies.

that this was entirely about legitimizing Black slaves, who were not often considered citizens by southern states.

I wonder how this might play with the huge Cuban population in Florida?

To me, it seems about as unambiguous as anything could be: born here = citizen.

although the enslaved (and their descendants) were not only NOT considered "citizens", but were not even considered "humans" and were instead designated as "property" (i.e., the term "chattel slavery" ).

See "Dred Scott v. Sandford" -

Birthright citizenship is bedrock Constitution. It's as bedrock as the Bill of Rights. To end it, you would have to amend the Constitution. It's not an executive order thingy.

There would have to be a groundswell of support to amend the Constitution to delete birthright citizenship from it. And that is simply not there. So in other words, there is no way birthright citizenship is going away.

Hell, we can't even amend the Constitution to add the ERA, and 75% of Americans support the ERA.

No pretzel twisting ruling can make it into what it isn't. I do not believe that blue states would obey a ruling that would remove birthright citizenship.

That's truly awful.

I'm of the opinion the overwhelming majority of Americans are thick as pigshit and will do/think/buy whatever TikTok tells them to.
To be fair, it is not much better in England, but the education system is at least better primed to educate the population. I know US teachers try hard, the deck is stacked.


But to get to your real point, like how far back do we go? Is this retroactive? Because, all my great-grands came out without much paperwork and literally no right to be in America. I could really use an Irish passport right about now (UK visa fees are extortionate). So, my grandparents were all anchor babies, are their citizenships stripped retroactively? How about my parents, they'd have thusly been born to non-citizens by this logic.
How far back do we take this? And then how far forward?
I digress and am being facetious, yes. But these people...

Would they run a poll seeing if the freedom of religion or speech is popular? They are the same thing as birthright citizenship, an inalienable right of any person born in the US.

Opinions on immigration have moved significantly to the right over the last few years. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it's under 50% now.

...and see if he can find enough Democrats to help him with 2/3 in both houses of congress. Or 34 states ratifying this and calling for a constitutional convention (Harris won 19 states plus DC so he would need blue states to sign on to this). Good luck with that. Another right wing fever dream that won't go away....

It's the same tool Hitler used when he blamed the Jews and Roma in Germany before WWII and he used it to gather support that allowed for inhumane atrocities to be carried out.

with his packed court and packed legislature letting him do it

Some of them are what his ilk likes to call "chain migrators." Was Barron's mommy even a citizen when he was born?

(supposedly she wasn't when his older brother was born IIRC)

Are DonJR and Ivanka citizens under his new definition? Do both parents have to be citizens at the time of one's birth, or just one?

And will the new rules apply to Elon and Vivek?

Trump's father was born in New York of two German immigrants - birthright citizen. Trump's mother was born in Scotland of Scottish parents. She was naturalized int he US four years before Donald was born, but if the birthright citizen aspect of the 14th is not valid is the naturalized aspect?

Trump is a birthright citizen directly through his mother and once removed (transitive property of citizenship?) through his father?

Not going to delve deeper to find his children's questionable citizenship.

From Trump's perspective I wonder who a legitimate citizen is and based on what.

I fear for us all.

with wife #4.

He just announced he wants her as his very 'Special' counsel.

They are all birthright citizens.

Is that children who are US citizens can remain in the country either with legal resident/citizen guardians or other in our foster care system. That is a bit different than characterizing them as being deported with their parents. They will retain all the rights and responsibilities of US citizens.

They just have to reinterpret any clause in some fucked up way and from then on, that's what the Constitution means.

It was written originally to apply to people who had been slaves so they couldn't be driven out of the country.
Maybe they could use an extreme originalist interpretation and declare it only applies to the original people it was written for, not subsequent generations. The interpretation up to now has been wrong.

their tendency to disregard the U.S. Constitution for partisan and/or ideological reasons.

If they disregard the constitution on birthright citizenship (meaning come up with some preposterous "interpretation" of the 14th amendment that invalidates birthright citizenship ), then that paves the way for the fascists to deport any U.S. citizen they want. They could even revoke the citizenship of all registered Democrats.

I think it would be wise to make plans to emigrate to another country.

It has become abundantly clear that Trump is going to utterly destroy America.

As far as I can tell Ivana Trump wasn't legally in the US before she married that idiot; she didn't gain US citizenship until 1988.

His current agent handler is famous for her immigration issues.

So, since Trump wants to bounce the family members of illegals that means Ivana's three children, plus Melania's one, plus Melania herself, PLUS DONALD all need to be kicked out of the country.

I believe it's going to be the best day ever when ICE conducts an immigration raid at all Trump's properties.