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BumRushDaShow

(144,196 posts)
Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:12 PM Dec 8

Israel captures Syrian territory after Assad regime collapse

Source: Axios

3 hours ago


The Israeli military captured territory on the Syrian side of the border in the Golan Heights on Sunday after the Assad regime collapsed, the IDF said in a statement.

Why it matters: This is the first time Israel has captured territory in Syria since the war in 1973.

  • Israel notified the U.S. in advance about its operation to take control of the buffer zone on the border with Syria and several other key locations on the Syrian side of the border, an Israeli official told me.
  • Israel told the Biden administration this is a temporary move that will last a few days to a few weeks, until the security situation along the border stabilizes, Israeli and U.S. officials said.


  • Flashback: The 1974 separation of forces agreement between Israel and Syria created a buffer zone on the border in the Golan Heights.

  • The United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) has been deployed on both sides of the buffer zone since then.


  • Driving the news: Israeli and U.S. officials said that rebel groups attacked at least four UNDOF positions on the Syrian side of the buffer zone in recent days.

  • The IDF helped the UN Observer Force to repel the attacks.
  • In recent days, Israel has conveyed messages to several rebel groups in Syria, including HTS, warning them that if they move close to the border in a way that violates the Israeli-Syrian truce agreement, the IDF will take action, two Israeli officials said.


  • Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/12/08/syria-israel-golan-heights-assad
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    Israel captures Syrian territory after Assad regime collapse (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 8 OP
    Here's a pic of the Golan Heights and the buffer zone and some background nmmi Dec 8 #1
    What is the significance of the two toned Israel part of the map? House of Roberts Dec 8 #5
    The gray-green on the left is the pre-1967 Israel. The blue area is the Golan Heights that Israel captured nmmi Dec 8 #11
    Thank you. House of Roberts Dec 8 #12
    I thought it was water LeftInTX Dec 8 #13
    You're welcome. And that's my understanding too about the Golan Heights' strategic advantage nmmi Dec 8 #15
    Temporary? uncledad Dec 8 #2
    So this was a good thing? Igel Dec 8 #3
    "The IDF helped the UN Observer Force to repel the attacks." JoseBalow Dec 8 #4
    No concern for attacks on UN observers? uncledad Dec 8 #7
    How much would you like to wager? Richard D Dec 8 #9
    10 bucks! uncledad Dec 8 #14
    OK . . . Richard D Dec 8 #16
    Nothing says "neighborly" angrychair Dec 8 #6
    Are you against Biden . . . Richard D Dec 8 #10
    Israel is "defending itself" iemanja Dec 8 #18
    How quickly they forget Richard D Dec 8 #19
    I've forgotten nothing iemanja Dec 8 #20
    Israel does a land grab? Bok_Tukalo Dec 8 #8
    Of course they did iemanja Dec 8 #17

    nmmi

    (203 posts)
    1. Here's a pic of the Golan Heights and the buffer zone and some background
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:22 PM
    Dec 8

    The buffer zone is the thin gray-white striped strip that contains Quneitra as one of its cities.


    Golan Heights 1981 annexation, and the UN and international community response to the annexation. And the U.S. response
    https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3352899

    House of Roberts

    (5,747 posts)
    5. What is the significance of the two toned Israel part of the map?
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:45 PM
    Dec 8

    The blue section represents what compared to the gray-green on the left?

    nmmi

    (203 posts)
    11. The gray-green on the left is the pre-1967 Israel. The blue area is the Golan Heights that Israel captured
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:32 PM
    Dec 8

    in 1967 in the Six Day War, with some border adjustments later, and annexed by Israel in 1981.

    House of Roberts

    (5,747 posts)
    12. Thank you.
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:39 PM
    Dec 8

    I wasn't sure that was the case, but I knew there had to be a reason they were colored different.
    I recall reading some time ago that the Golan Heights' strategic advantage is the elevation allows increased artillery range into Israel which is why the Israelis won't give it back.

    nmmi

    (203 posts)
    15. You're welcome. And that's my understanding too about the Golan Heights' strategic advantage
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 09:11 PM
    Dec 8

    Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2024, 10:32 PM - Edit history (1)

    I recall reading some time ago that the Golan Heights' strategic advantage is the elevation allows increased artillery range into Israel which is why the Israelis won't give it back.

    uncledad

    (66 posts)
    2. Temporary?
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:30 PM
    Dec 8

    "Israel told the Biden administration this is a temporary move that will last a few days to a few weeks, until the security situation along the border stabilizes"

    Temporary, right whatever you say! I'd wager they will never give that land back.

    Igel

    (36,229 posts)
    3. So this was a good thing?
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:35 PM
    Dec 8

    That "rebel groups attacked at least four UNDOF positions on the Syrian side of the buffer zone in recent days"?

    No concern for attacks on UN observers?

    Note that one thing that makes the situation difficult is that there's no statement that I'm aware saying that the new bosses will uphold all the agreements signed by the old bosses. In other words, will the newly supposedly ex-Islamist government actually abide by and keep the relative peace in the Golan?

    uncledad

    (66 posts)
    7. No concern for attacks on UN observers?
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:54 PM
    Dec 8

    Sure concerned about attacks from the IDF, UN and other aid workers haven't fared so well in Gaza

    angrychair

    (9,889 posts)
    6. Nothing says "neighborly"
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 04:52 PM
    Dec 8

    Like kicking in their back door and taking their shit as soon as they move in.
    This "violence first" move from them is getting old.
    How can you expect them to honor previous agreements if Israel is unwilling to do the same?

    Richard D

    (9,440 posts)
    10. Are you against Biden . . .
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 06:31 PM
    Dec 8

    Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2024, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

    . . .. bombing the shit out of ISIS sites in Syria too? Or upset just if Israel takes a logical step to defend itself from more terrorists being able to cross the border?

    iemanja

    (54,890 posts)
    18. Israel is "defending itself"
    Sun Dec 8, 2024, 11:09 PM
    Dec 8

    As an empire with no end to its expansionist ambitions. I suppose Russia is defending itself too, by that logic.

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