"Israel’s “systematic dismantling of the health system” combined with a siege of the population in the north of the coastal strip over the past 80 days “puts the lives of the 75,000 Palestinians remaining in the area at risk”"

Israel has become a terrorist state, the very thing they purport to be fighting. Biden had a chance to shut this down unfortunately he like so many other so called liberal politicians and media types in this country can't see or are afraid to to see what is really happening. With Trump coming into office it's too late now for the people of Gaza.

And speaking of ethnic cleansing and its cousin genocide, there were more births than deaths in Gaza this past 12 months.

If you approve of the killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children then just say so, own it!

The overall birthrate in Gaza has been declining for years.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/HRV/palestine/birth-rate

Also, we don't know the actual total number of deaths as all bodies have not been recovered, and there is no firm statistic yet on deaths due to malnutrition, disease, and dehydration, among other factors.
Even if Gazans were fornication obsessed sex machines, it doesn't justify the collective punishment.

Would you like the million starving children to rise up against Hamas that even the IDF hasn't managed to locate and eradicate ( so they say). Or the bedraggled and weakened parents and grandparents running from bombs and scavenging for animal feed or a drink of water, to try to keep their kids alive?

No, the people of Gaza have no agency to stop this slaughter on them.

I won't even address the pitiful new talking point about new births. Your side seems to thinks it's genius, a brilliant new addition -I've seen it often repeated recently.

In fact it's a sad reflection of desperation that people are willing to sacrifice their critical thinking and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible.

... and grasp at straws to defend the indefensible.

I'm seeing this behavior here and find it disgusting.

It started with the HUMAN SHIELDS (TM) excuse to rationalize the indiscriminate bombing. I wasted countless hours of my life trying to activate some critical thinking. It went on from there.

Zionism is a cult now, probably always was. Immune to reason, fairness, laws and morality. Modernity. Israel and supporters need de-programming. De-radicalization - just as Nutty is calling for for Gaza. Perhaps then there will be peace.

I'll get dumped on but so what. Eventually everyone will realize it's true.

And thank you for illustrating exactly what is so disturbing about replacing critical thinking with memes and selectively disregarding basic information in favor of incendiary rhetoric.

It was rather convincing.

Well, at least you show awareness of what is to be expected when this happens.

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Don't you think you ought to stop saying I am? It was funny the first three times, but you can't hide it anymore: deep down, you are just as big a fan of free speech as I am, and you would never threaten to put anyone on your ignore list, except as a silly joke, right?

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What I would like is the thousands of Hamas apologists to shut the fuck up with ridiculous over the top red herrings and start paying attention to Hamas devastating Gaza and starving its children. Their silence on the subject is deafening, and their endless invocations of starving children to deflect from the subject whenever it comes up is despicable.

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for the deaths and starvation of Gazan civilians? Despite multiple instances of these leaders stating on the record that this was exactly what they intended to cause and pledging to do the same thing again and again?

Are you suggesting that their apologist minions should not shut the fuck up and pay attention, for once, to what their idols are saying and doing in Gaza?

I don't think gaslighting means what you think it means.

I hate that I’m losing compassion for the nation that had its citizens killed and/or held as hostages.
The response of Israel is not proportional to its losses.
It IS ethnic cleansing or genocide. I don’t know which.

But nowhere is it written that it has to be.

I mean, somebody beats up your kid, proportionality says you beat him. He stabs your kid, he gets stabbed. What's this depriving them of essential liberty for years business? That's not proportional. But if you have a bigger weapon when the guy's coming to stab your kid and shoot him, you know, that's self-defense. Disproportionate? Yeah, but nobody says you have to just take the abuse, wait to see how bad it is.

Proportionate would have been invading Gaza, raping hundreds of women then killing them, abusing hundreds of men and then killing them--in heinous ways. Taking videos of what you did, parading captives and bodies in the streets of Jerusalem, and grabbing hundreds of hostages and executing some of them.

None of this sounds good to me. But Hamas is a risk and has vowed to repeat this kind of thing. I'm not sure what proportionate is when you get death threats after some of your family's been killed. What, making death threats in return? Maybe the international police should have gone in to arrest those making the threats? And if they didn't surrender, what do you do?

to the Oct. 7th attack. What should have been done was to send in as many ground troops as it took to capture and kill the Hamas fighters. That is not what they did. Because they do not value Palestinian civilian lives they conducted and still persist in a relentless bombing campaign on an unarmed civilian population. I realize that Hamas is hiding amongst the civilian population but that does not justify killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Anyone who looks at this objectively can see that Israel's intention is not just to wipe out Hamas they want to push the Palestinians from their ancestral lands. Once Gaza is complete the west bank will be next. I was in the Army we were taught to obey the laws of war and the uniformed code of military justice. What the IDF is doing is nowhere near either of those. Every human rights organization in the world has called what Israel is doing unjustified and most call it genocide. If you think what Israel is doing is justified than just say so. Own it.

in Yemen that happened right when the WHO people were there was some sort of "coincidence".

If I were a religious person, I'd be extra careful not to bomb a hospital, you know, just in case.

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Certainly not in the OP.

And the dogs again. Smacks of Trump bringing up "they are eating the dogs". Sourced just as reliably, repeated just as frequently, with the similar intent to scandalize rather than inform.

Shocking, isn't it?

And return the hostages.

It's what you're really saying.

You should just come out and say it outright.

It is a shared goal Bibi, the IDF, people that support Zionism they support Israel as an Apartheid state. It is racism pure and simple.

It's the gaslighting, perversion of logic and reason and the general bullshittery of hasbara- explanation that drive me nuts.

As someone else said, OWN IT.

Then let's see what ya got and how you defend it.

They can do this immediately. Nobody is stopping them.

They can release all the remaining hostages immediately. Nobody is stopping them.

They can disarm and surrender later. Nobody will stop them.

Unfortunately, it is the Hamas terrorists who are determined to to keep the sadism and inhumanity going.

Most of Hama's leadership has been killed if Israel was serious about ending the slaughter they could easily go in and get the rest of them without bombing hospitals and starving children. Israel will be settling Gaza in the next few months, they want as many dead women and children as possible, this is ethnic cleansing followed by a land grab. Did you notice how quickly Israel agreed to a cease fire with Lebanon? They agreed to a cease fire because Lebanon actually has a military capable of fighting back. Israel doesn't do war with armed militaries they murder unarmed civilians with some of the most advanced weapons of war on the planet.

That is some Grade A BS right there.

Hospitals? Schools? Humanitarian areas? Tunnels under apartment buildings?

Where else can IDF "go and get them"? If you are in possession of a storyline to that Hollywood fiction, I am pretty sure they would appreciate the scenario that will allow them to just go and get them.

with him, and learn every little thing from all of them.

But something tells me you wouldn't be interested in that.