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BumRushDaShow

(144,522 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:34 AM Sunday

'The first to sue': Opposing Trump's desire to end birthright citizenship is personal for this attorney general

Source: NBC News

Dec. 29, 2024, 6:00 AM EST


WASHINGTON — For Connecticut Attorney General William Tong, President-elect Donald Trump’s pledge to end birthright citizenship is more than just a provocative anti-immigrant policy likely to be blocked by courts. It’s personal. Tong, 51, a Democrat who has served as the state’s top legal official since 2019, is the son of immigrants who came to the United States from China and Taiwan.

He is the first member of his family to have been born on U.S. soil and is the first Asian American to be elected to statewide office in Connecticut. “I grew up working side by side with my parents in our family’s Chinese restaurant, and in one generation I’ve gone from that Chinese restaurant kitchen to be the attorney general of the state of Connecticut,” he said in an interview. “That only happens one place in this world, and that’s in America.”

On the campaign trail, Trump promised to take action to end birthright citizenship on day one of his second term in office, a move that would immediately prompt legal challenges. “I would be the first to sue,” Tong promised.

He is one of 23 Democratic state attorneys general who are likely to be regular opponents of Trump on various issues, ranging from immigration and LGBTQ rights to environmental policy and abortion, just as many were in the first Trump administration.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/-first-sue-opposing-trumps-desire-end-birthright-citizenship-personal-rcna184891

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'The first to sue': Opposing Trump's desire to end birthright citizenship is personal for this attorney general (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
"Opposing Trump's desire to end birthright citizenship" J_William_Ryan Sunday #1
The courts won't stop the worst of it. rubbersole Sunday #6
I'll be SO glad... GiqueCee Sunday #2
Don't let him do that to you. wnylib Sunday #14
Yes, hate is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die. Magoo48 Sunday #20
Okay... GiqueCee Sunday #27
I plan on resisting as strongly as one old man can. Magoo48 Monday #30
Of course we take a stand against tyranny wnylib Tuesday #37
Consider this... GiqueCee Tuesday #40
Or, just as easy to say is, "I hate what Trump is doing." wnylib Tuesday #42
I do hate him, BUT, it appears mostly here on DU reading his actions. Much of the time I'm otherwise thinking of my... electric_blue68 Monday #33
Yep. Hard not to hate the guy, but it sounds like wnylib Tuesday #34
Aw, TY. It definitely helps to increase fun, joy, cool info, and creativity a lot of the time.... electric_blue68 Tuesday #35
I, too... GiqueCee Tuesday #41
I totally agree that Project 2025 IS a plan for incredible cruelty, sickness, death, and destruction for many groups... electric_blue68 Tuesday #43
My mom visited me JustAnotherGen Sunday #16
Condolences, but I love her quip! electric_blue68 Tuesday #36
Lady Di JustAnotherGen Tuesday #38
😄👍 electric_blue68 Tuesday #39
It's not just lawsuits: We need to be prepared to shut things down. Ports, schools, airports... Get ready, people.. jvill Sunday #3
Yes! Time for Americans to slightlv Sunday #4
Agree. Let Ukraine, South Korea, France, the women of the Middle East, wnylib Sunday #17
Your opinion please. LT Barclay Sunday #18
I'm of a belief a movement does need to have a leader slightlv Sunday #26
So where are we going to get one? There are many possibilities, but I think it would be better if they were outside of LT Barclay Sunday #28
Now you've really identified the problem! slightlv Monday #32
YES! Absolutely. wnylib Sunday #15
If it goes thru Old Crank Sunday #5
All of his children have one parent who is a citizen. Ms. Toad Sunday #12
I know but some one suggested using Old Crank Sunday #21
Not relevant Cirsium Sunday #23
I haven't heard of that proposal from the MAGA crowd. n/t Ms. Toad Sunday #24
Birthright citizenship Cirsium Sunday #22
That's the point I was making. Ms. Toad Sunday #25
I can't wait until he finds out boonecreek Sunday #7
Would my child be under this, considering my wife is here on a green card? AZLD4Candidate Sunday #8
Don't forget leftieNanner Sunday #11
No. Ms. Toad Sunday #13
K&R Solly Mack Sunday #9
Connecticut will be a bulwark mountain grammy Sunday #10
That impacts a hell of a lot more people than MAGA might think IronLionZion Sunday #19
I have a problem with certain birth right things I've read about. OverBurn Sunday #29
I'd like to see drmeow Monday #31

J_William_Ryan

(2,281 posts)
1. "Opposing Trump's desire to end birthright citizenship"
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:47 AM
Sunday

The courts will be vital to opposing Trump’s fascist agenda – including Trump’s racist, bigoted immigration policy.

rubbersole

(8,731 posts)
6. The courts won't stop the worst of it.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:35 PM
Sunday

Especially the Supreme Court. They'll probably have an occasional social issue ruling to placate the masses, but the real power/wealth transfer issues will all go the oligarchs. This is the 40 year plan coming to its original intent. Let's call January 21st Opus Dei Day.

GiqueCee

(1,546 posts)
2. I'll be SO glad...
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:47 AM
Sunday

... when Trump is gone, preferably to the warm place below, where he belongs. Hating him, and every evil he represents, as much as I do is exhausting. Sadly, there are plenty of sick, twisted people eager to take his place, so my simmering rage that such people are allowed to hold office probably won't have time to cool.

wnylib

(24,881 posts)
14. Don't let him do that to you.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:44 PM
Sunday

Continuous feelings of hatred will destroy you. Look what it does to MAGAs.

Oppose him, yes. Do it in the name of love for the humanity that he destroys. Oppose him in the name of family and friends that you love. Do it for the values that you love.

Let love of people, values, and country lead your opposition to him. It's healthier and more creatively productive when it leads to courses of action.

Those are not my views alone. It's what Timothy Snyder says about opposing authoritarianism in his book, On Tyranny.



Magoo48

(5,560 posts)
20. Yes, hate is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 02:32 PM
Sunday

Hate and resentment are crippling in the long run. It is more important for our resistance to prevent the suffering of our fellow Americans than to exact vengeance upon the orange fascist and his clowns of the apocalypse government.

GiqueCee

(1,546 posts)
27. Okay...
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:30 PM
Sunday

... How 'bout my "Extreme Dislike" for the irredeemably evil psychopath whose diseased malice and corrosive rhetoric has forever poisoned the minds of some of my family members, friends, and neighbors, given license to the vilest people among us to unleash their inchoate resentments on those who are least able to defend themselves against such cowards, whose lies about the pandemic cost a half a million Americans their lives, and whose treason has cost the nation what little trust its allies may still have had in it, even as he turns on them yet again, all in service to Putin's malignant desire for the destruction of America from within, and the total domination the world?

And I never said anything about vengeance, but now that you mention it...

I do what little I can, with my limited resources, to alleviate the suffering of others, but resistance inevitably demands that we take a stand against those who would inflict harm on us for not bending the knee to a tin-pot tyrant. And anyone that thinks that won't happen on a horrific scale in the coming 4 years is not paying attention.

Have a nice day.

Magoo48

(5,560 posts)
30. I plan on resisting as strongly as one old man can.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 09:01 AM
Monday

His crimes are well documented and undeniable.
Regardless, hate and resentment damage me more than him/them.

wnylib

(24,881 posts)
37. Of course we take a stand against tyranny
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 11:20 AM
Tuesday

and the harm being done to individuals, groups, and society as a whole.

I did not mention revenge, nor did I suggest that we should do nothing.

We are angry over what's happening. We hate it and we feel hatred or contempt for the person(s) doing it. I'm only saying that if we let ourselves get consumed in hate, it hurts us even more. It can burn us out, hurt our health and ruin what's left that's good in our lives.

We can take a stand against what's happening from a position doing it out of love for friends, family, strangers, and ourselves who are being harmed instead of out of hatred for the people who are causing the harm. We want to stop the damage because of what it does to us and to people we care about and values that matter to us.

I think that anger can motivate us to action, but hatred depletes our energy.

I sort of felt this without having words for it until I heard AOC say why she's in Congress and why she fights for certain bills and policies and opposes others. She said that she does it because she loves the people, cultures, and values of the people that she represents.

GiqueCee

(1,546 posts)
40. Consider this...
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 06:02 PM
Tuesday

... "HATE" is just a word that most accurately describes a very intense feeling of dislike and distrust of abominable actions and/or people. I could say that Trump and his evil minions are not very nice people for their desire to inflict pain on others simply to satisfy their twisted craving for dominion over the lives of others, but that takes too long to say. So consider "HATE" just monosyllabic shorthand for the sake of efficiency.

wnylib

(24,881 posts)
42. Or, just as easy to say is, "I hate what Trump is doing."
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 06:32 PM
Tuesday

You can say and feel anything you want to. It's your choice and your life.

electric_blue68

(18,899 posts)
33. I do hate him, BUT, it appears mostly here on DU reading his actions. Much of the time I'm otherwise thinking of my...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:26 PM
Monday

interests. Like Nature, Art, Music, Science, Art making, Craft doings, Architecture!
So my brain is much more happy, and perculating with all of those instead! And my hands involved with Creative makings! Thank Goodness.

Still, I will try to take Professor Synder's advice at least part of the time.

wnylib

(24,881 posts)
34. Yep. Hard not to hate the guy, but it sounds like
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:50 AM
Tuesday

you've got interests and activities to keep you grounded and sane.

electric_blue68

(18,899 posts)
35. Aw, TY. It definitely helps to increase fun, joy, cool info, and creativity a lot of the time....
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 01:57 AM
Tuesday

Unfortunately, I suspect I'll have fight off higher anxiety, and fear after he gets in and the Repuglican Congress starts threatening entitlements, and other groups of people I care about which is most vunerable groups.

GiqueCee

(1,546 posts)
41. I, too...
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 06:21 PM
Tuesday

... have a multitude of interests, none of which are diminished by my passionate opposition to Trump and the plans outlined in Project 2025. This is not just a difference of opinion on certain matters, this is an existential threat to our way of life, and, even more importantly, to life itself on this planet. These people are not "loyal opposition", they are psychotic monsters carved out of the same turd as Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, just to name a few. They couch their rhetoric in bland terms, but their underlying intent is unmistakable. Failing to recognize the bottomless malice inherent in their proposed policies invites unimaginable disaster. We cannot afford a Neville Chamberlain approach to this crisis. It will literally be the death of us all.
I am 2 years and change shy of 80, and I have seen some shit. But I am still pretty strong, not overcome by fear, and I am still a deadly marksman. I do not for one second believe that Project 2025 is some benign thought experiment; it is evil down to its core, and so are those that conceived it. Don't doubt that for a nanosecond. There is NO good in these people.

electric_blue68

(18,899 posts)
43. I totally agree that Project 2025 IS a plan for incredible cruelty, sickness, death, and destruction for many groups...
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 06:35 PM
Tuesday

and hastening more terrible climate change here, and all over the world. What happens elsewhere, can eventually affect us, too.

Their sense of superiority over other groups of people gives them their shameless "ability" to act like this.

We in blue NYC may have a buffer for a little while, but not necessarily more than that.

I sure hope you won’t need those serious marksman skills! Stay safe!

JustAnotherGen

(33,870 posts)
16. My mom visited me
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:53 PM
Sunday

In May. Out of the blue she says "I hope I die before him so I can push him to hell."

She died suddenly June 5th.

She's looking out for us.

jvill

(421 posts)
3. It's not just lawsuits: We need to be prepared to shut things down. Ports, schools, airports... Get ready, people..
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:50 AM
Sunday

slightlv

(4,482 posts)
4. Yes! Time for Americans to
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:11 PM
Sunday

Start showing the courage of others around the world demonstrate day after day... S Korea, France, the women of the middle east. T will sic his brown shirts on us, no doubt... but the more he does that, the more sympathy and allegiance we'll receive, IMO.

wnylib

(24,881 posts)
17. Agree. Let Ukraine, South Korea, France, the women of the Middle East,
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:54 PM
Sunday

American civil rights leaders of multiple generations in US history, and the anti fascist WWII generation be our sources of inspiration.

Get ready to make some good trouble.

LT Barclay

(2,783 posts)
18. Your opinion please.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:57 PM
Sunday

I read an article by Chris Hedges, whose views I respect on most things that said movements die without leadership and he cited the short-lived occupy movement. But in our current situation, a strong voice is going to face a barrage of criticism from media at best and possibly or probably face assassination.
Can a movement grow without a leader? And when are we going to get this off the ground?

slightlv

(4,482 posts)
26. I'm of a belief a movement does need to have a leader
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:52 PM
Sunday

and the more charismatic and well spoken, the better. But you're right, in today's world here in the U.S., a leader on the left would face death threats and probable attempts. But we need to rally around someone who can take charge in the organizing, delegating, etc. of a movement. I loved the democratic process of Occupy, but it also showed how too many cooks in the kitchen can spoil the soup.

LT Barclay

(2,783 posts)
28. So where are we going to get one? There are many possibilities, but I think it would be better if they were outside of
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 08:05 PM
Sunday

government.
Katie Porter?
Alan Grayson?
Al Franken?
Leonardo DiCaprio?

Start a movement and post a job opening on Indeed?

slightlv

(4,482 posts)
32. Now you've really identified the problem!
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:55 PM
Monday

Personally, I'd like to see Franken... but I feel like the best bet would be someone outside politics. That makes it tend to a grassroots uprising. But the right politician could pull it off. DiCaprio has done some excellent humanitarian work, as have a few other philanthropists. But I wonder if the celebrity would work against someone like this?

Ms. Toad

(35,682 posts)
12. All of his children have one parent who is a citizen.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:28 PM
Sunday

Any child of a citizen has citizenship, regardless of where they are born.

Old Crank

(5,009 posts)
21. I know but some one suggested using
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 02:48 PM
Sunday

the female side of lineage to carry citizenship.
Sort of like jews follow the maternal line. (I've heard, and could be wrong.)

Cirsium

(1,168 posts)
23. Not relevant
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:09 PM
Sunday

The 14th amendment doesn't say anything at all about a person's lineage. In fact, that is the whole point of the citizenship clause.

Cirsium

(1,168 posts)
22. Birthright citizenship
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:07 PM
Sunday

Birthright citizenship has nothing to do with one's parents. 300+ million of us have citizenship because we were born here. The 14th amendment doesn't say "if you were born here but your parents weren't..." It says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Overturning the 14th amendment would strip citizenship protection from most of the population.

Ms. Toad

(35,682 posts)
25. That's the point I was making.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:37 PM
Sunday

When Trump talks about revoking birthright citizenship, he isn't talking about lineage (the means by which his children are citizens, since he is a citizen), he is talking about location of birth (within the US).

boonecreek

(255 posts)
7. I can't wait until he finds out
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:38 PM
Sunday

that doing away with birthright citizenship would
mean repealing the 14th amendment. Then again,
with this SCOTUS full of unqualified Federalist Society
hacks you never know.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,392 posts)
8. Would my child be under this, considering my wife is here on a green card?
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:55 PM
Sunday

How about that fucker Barron Trump (he's an adult now and worked actively on MAGA Moron's campaign so that turd in the punch bowl is now fair game)?

Ms. Toad

(35,682 posts)
13. No.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:36 PM
Sunday

What Trump is talking about repealing are children of two non-citizens who are granted citizenship based on the location of the child's birth (in the United states).

IronLionZion

(47,166 posts)
19. That impacts a hell of a lot more people than MAGA might think
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 02:22 PM
Sunday

MAGA have always hated my birth and citizenship in the US. They love telling me to self deport. They don't care about documents. It's about race.

OverBurn

(1,114 posts)
29. I have a problem with certain birth right things I've read about.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:19 PM
Sunday

Supposedly during the last tRump presidency. Russian citizens were staying at tRump hotels to purposely have a baby and get instant citizenship. Some type of Russian/Putin long term plot? I don't know, but I don't like it.

I really don't know how to fix this loophole and still be the USA we have always been.

drmeow

(5,340 posts)
31. I'd like to see
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:33 AM
Monday

some real data on that. My guess is that the proportion of "come into the country when pregnant or to get pregnant and have a US citizen baby" is extremely small relative to the proportion of tax paying, productive, legal and illegal immigrants who have been in this country for a while and gave birth.

3,747,540 babies were born in the US in 2019. Figuring 14% of the US population are non-citizens (rounding up) and assuming the same proportion of non-citizens give birth each year as citizens (which is probably a faulty assumption) that means (rounding up) about 525,000 of those babies are potentially birth right citizens. How many Russian women would have to have come to the US and given birth in a Trump hotel could meaningfully make a difference?

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