Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn't work out so well
Source: AP
Updated 11:44 AM EST, December 29, 2024
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) Republicans made claims about illegal voting by noncitizens a centerpiece of their 2024 campaign messaging and plan to push legislation in the new Congress requiring voters to provide proof of U.S. citizenship. Yet theres one place with a GOP supermajority where linking voting to citizenship appears to be a nonstarter: Kansas.
Thats because the state has been there, done that, and all but a few Republicans would prefer not to go there again. Kansas imposed a proof-of-citizenship requirement over a decade ago that grew into one of the biggest political fiascos in the state in recent memory.
The law, passed by the state Legislature in 2011 and implemented two years later, ended up blocking the voter registrations of more than 31,000 U.S. citizens who were otherwise eligible to vote. That was 12% of everyone seeking to register in Kansas for the first time. Federal courts ultimately declared the law an unconstitutional burden on voting rights, and it hasnt been enforced since 2018.
Kansas provides a cautionary tale about how pursuing an election concern that in fact is extremely rare risks disenfranchising a far greater number of people who are legally entitled to vote. The states top elections official, Secretary of State Scott Schwab, championed the idea as a legislator and now says states and the federal government shouldnt touch it. Kansas did that 10 years ago, said Schwab, a Republican. It didnt work out so well.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/kansas-noncitizen-voting-proof-of-citizenship-50d56a0b8d1f0fde15480aab3db67f4f
sinkingfeeling
(53,324 posts)underpants
(187,525 posts)I wouldnt think that being in a military base would mean the county/state didnt have a certificate of birth.
When I was trying to get a license in Maryland, after a looong wait, the lady said I needed a birth certificate with a raised stamp. Luckily my Mom had one or Id have been waiting on one from Ohio.
BumRushDaShow
(144,525 posts)we went through this mess in 2012/2013 and one of the big issues was that there were many older residents who moved here to PA coming from rural southern states where they had been born at home (with some only marking the birth in a bible or a church record or not at all). So there were no state-issued "official" birth records (birth certificates) for those individuals.
There was a big case here in PA - Applewhite, et al. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al. that eventually killed the Voter ID law here because of the issue of getting birth certificates, among other things, including what was acceptable as "proof". And this wasn't even related to "citizenship" but the same issue of a lack of birth certificate would apply.
underpants
(187,525 posts)My father in law who recently passed probably didnt have one. He was the 13th or 14th of 17 kids. In the holler for real.
The guy pictured in the story would certainly have a birth certificate
COL Mustard
(7,010 posts)I have a birth certificate. It isn't a problem. I had to write to the state (New Mexico) to get a copy of it a few years ago, and they sent it right away.
underpants
(187,525 posts)DBoon
(23,190 posts)The Republicans will consider it a success.
They don't think Democrats are really Americans after all.
Clouds Passing
(2,865 posts)MuseRider
(34,413 posts)He is a clingon that never goes away.
mwb970
(11,722 posts)Wow. How amazing.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,614 posts)That's what happens when you're brainwashed to be cruel and selfish by right-wing media and many by their own parents.
KY.........
pfitz59
(11,015 posts)Cost. Adoption. Home birth. Abandonment. No idea of birth date or birth location (a friend of mine has no idea of when and where she was born, other than 'somewhere in Korea'. She was found near death in an abandoned bunker. A US family adopted her.) Records destruction (fire, flood, earthquake etc).
Martin68
(24,764 posts)minorities or lower-income families. Sorting them out for the purpose of preventing non-citizens from voting would be an enormously expensive and time-consuming project. It would also be a complete waste of resources because non-citizens cannot afford to risk exposing their status by voting.