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BumRushDaShow

(144,525 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 02:39 PM Sunday

Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn't work out so well

Source: AP

Updated 11:44 AM EST, December 29, 2024


TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Republicans made claims about illegal voting by noncitizens a centerpiece of their 2024 campaign messaging and plan to push legislation in the new Congress requiring voters to provide proof of U.S. citizenship. Yet there’s one place with a GOP supermajority where linking voting to citizenship appears to be a nonstarter: Kansas.

That’s because the state has been there, done that, and all but a few Republicans would prefer not to go there again. Kansas imposed a proof-of-citizenship requirement over a decade ago that grew into one of the biggest political fiascos in the state in recent memory.

The law, passed by the state Legislature in 2011 and implemented two years later, ended up blocking the voter registrations of more than 31,000 U.S. citizens who were otherwise eligible to vote. That was 12% of everyone seeking to register in Kansas for the first time. Federal courts ultimately declared the law an unconstitutional burden on voting rights, and it hasn’t been enforced since 2018.

Kansas provides a cautionary tale about how pursuing an election concern that in fact is extremely rare risks disenfranchising a far greater number of people who are legally entitled to vote. The state’s top elections official, Secretary of State Scott Schwab, championed the idea as a legislator and now says states and the federal government shouldn’t touch it. “Kansas did that 10 years ago,” said Schwab, a Republican. “It didn’t work out so well.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/kansas-noncitizen-voting-proof-of-citizenship-50d56a0b8d1f0fde15480aab3db67f4f

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Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn't work out so well (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
I doubt if MAGA cares if more people are disenfranchised. sinkingfeeling Sunday #1
Not that I approve of the law but how hard is it to contact Vital Records? underpants Sunday #2
Here in PA BumRushDaShow Sunday #4
Okay I didn't consider that. underpants Sunday #5
I was born on a military base. COL Mustard Sunday #9
Thank you. That's what I thought. underpants Sunday #10
If it disenfranchised more Democrats than Republicans DBoon Sunday #3
KS needs to dump Kobach Clouds Passing Sunday #6
No shit. MuseRider Sunday #7
You mean a far right-wing policy produced the opposite of the intended result?? mwb970 Sunday #8
Republicans seem doomed to learn everything the hard way. KY_EnviroGuy Sunday #11
Many obstacles to obtaining birth certificates. pfitz59 Monday #12
Rural red states in particular have a lot of citizens without documentation. Those citizens also tend to be Martin68 Monday #13

underpants

(187,525 posts)
2. Not that I approve of the law but how hard is it to contact Vital Records?
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:08 PM
Sunday

I wouldn’t think that being in a military base would mean the county/state didn’t have a certificate of birth.

When I was trying to get a license in Maryland, after a looong wait, the lady said I needed a birth certificate with a raised stamp. Luckily my Mom had one or I’d have been waiting on one from Ohio.

BumRushDaShow

(144,525 posts)
4. Here in PA
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:29 PM
Sunday

we went through this mess in 2012/2013 and one of the big issues was that there were many older residents who moved here to PA coming from rural southern states where they had been born at home (with some only marking the birth in a bible or a church record or not at all). So there were no state-issued "official" birth records (birth certificates) for those individuals.

There was a big case here in PA - Applewhite, et al. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al. that eventually killed the Voter ID law here because of the issue of getting birth certificates, among other things, including what was acceptable as "proof". And this wasn't even related to "citizenship" but the same issue of a lack of birth certificate would apply.

underpants

(187,525 posts)
5. Okay I didn't consider that.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:54 PM
Sunday

My father in law who recently passed probably didn’t have one. He was the 13th or 14th of 17 kids. In the holler for real.

The guy pictured in the story would certainly have a birth certificate

COL Mustard

(7,010 posts)
9. I was born on a military base.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 05:34 PM
Sunday

I have a birth certificate. It isn't a problem. I had to write to the state (New Mexico) to get a copy of it a few years ago, and they sent it right away.

DBoon

(23,190 posts)
3. If it disenfranchised more Democrats than Republicans
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:17 PM
Sunday

The Republicans will consider it a success.

They don't think Democrats are really Americans after all.

mwb970

(11,722 posts)
8. You mean a far right-wing policy produced the opposite of the intended result??
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 05:24 PM
Sunday

Wow. How amazing.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,614 posts)
11. Republicans seem doomed to learn everything the hard way.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 11:44 PM
Sunday

That's what happens when you're brainwashed to be cruel and selfish by right-wing media and many by their own parents.


KY.........

pfitz59

(11,015 posts)
12. Many obstacles to obtaining birth certificates.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 09:44 AM
Monday

Cost. Adoption. Home birth. Abandonment. No idea of birth date or birth location (a friend of mine has no idea of when and where she was born, other than 'somewhere in Korea'. She was found near death in an abandoned bunker. A US family adopted her.) Records destruction (fire, flood, earthquake etc).

Martin68

(24,764 posts)
13. Rural red states in particular have a lot of citizens without documentation. Those citizens also tend to be
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 11:31 AM
Monday

minorities or lower-income families. Sorting them out for the purpose of preventing non-citizens from voting would be an enormously expensive and time-consuming project. It would also be a complete waste of resources because non-citizens cannot afford to risk exposing their status by voting.

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