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JohnSJ

(96,833 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:35 AM Monday

Trump Fails to Win New Trial in E. Jean Carroll Sex-Abuse Case

Source: Bloomberg News

"A federal appeals court denied Donald Trump’s request for a new trial in New York writer E. Jean Carroll’s sexual abuse lawsuit, dealing a blow to the president-elect as he seeks to put his legal woes behind him before taking office.

The US Court of Appeals for Second Circuit in Manhattan on Monday rejected Trump’s argument that jurors last year shouldn’t have heard the so-called Access Hollywood tape or testimony from another woman who accused him of sexual assault.

That evidenced helped to “establish a repeated, idiosyncratic pattern of conduct consistent with what Ms. Carroll alleged,” the court said, adding, “Mr. Trump engaged in an ordinary conversation with a woman he barely knew, then abruptly lunged at her in a semi-public place and proceeded to kiss and forcefully touch her without her consent.”




Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-30/trump-fails-to-win-new-trial-in-e-jean-carroll-sex-abuse-case

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Trump Fails to Win New Trial in E. Jean Carroll Sex-Abuse Case (Original Post) JohnSJ Monday OP
This would have been over Old Crank Monday #1
"... proceeded to kiss and forcefully touch her without her consent." William Seger Monday #2
So now comes the appeal of the denial moniss Monday #3
Bullshit! maxrandb Monday #4
Has he paid a dime yet? Doubt it. Evolve Dammit Monday #5
Whatever hes paid its only been to escrow slightlv Monday #6
A stay pending appeal is standard operating procedure. onenote Monday #7
"No one is above the law." Evolve Dammit Monday #8
'E Jean Carroll is one important step closer to getting the more than $150 million that Trump owes her for sexual assaul riversedge Monday #9
Lisa Rubin has a good thread on this opinion LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #10

Old Crank

(5,009 posts)
1. This would have been over
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:37 AM
Monday

but Trump fought every court case and appealed everything for 4 years,

Sorry, not sorry.

William Seger

(11,118 posts)
2. "... proceeded to kiss and forcefully touch her without her consent."
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:47 AM
Monday

In addition to a long history of lying and cheating his way through every aspect of his life, our next president should have spent some time in jail and been listed on the sex-offender registry.

Our country, and the office of President, will never be the same after this shameful disgrace. I'll never forgive the people who did this.

maxrandb

(16,019 posts)
4. Bullshit!
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 12:47 PM
Monday

Somehow this will make it to the "President is King" court and they will let him slide.

When his guy finally shuffles off the mortal coil, we will have to post a 24/7/365 watch to make sure it sticks.

riversedge

(73,465 posts)
9. 'E Jean Carroll is one important step closer to getting the more than $150 million that Trump owes her for sexual assaul
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:40 PM
Monday



🚨 Trump SUFFERS BIG LOSS on Carroll Appeal
Dec 30, 2024 Legal AF Podcast
E Jean Carroll is one important step closer to getting the more than $150 million that Trump owes her for sexual assault defamation and punitive damages, as a Federal appeals court denies his appeal and request for a new trial. Michael Popok explains how this ruling will help E Jean win her second appeal against Trump, and how Trump’s top lawyers are about to get new top jobs in his administration just suffered a big loss already.

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,746 posts)
10. Lisa Rubin has a good thread on this opinion
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 02:29 PM
Tuesday

Reading the opinion and this thread was amusing brought back memories of the evidence class that I took in law school



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1874116905830932850.html
The appellate decision affirming E. Jean Carroll’s first jury verdict against Donald Trump is a 77-page foray into rules of evidence. You might be tempted to put it aside. Don’t look away. 1/
Its holdings about the use of testimony from other sexual assault victims and other evidence that shows a defendant’s modus operandi not only will complicate Trump’s continued efforts to fight Carroll’s two jury verdicts but will reverberate throughout federal courts. 2/
Perhaps the most significant part, at least to this observer, is the court refusing to find error in the trial court’s admission of the Access Hollywood tape. 3/
In general, federal evidentiary rules prohibit the admission of a defendant’s “prior bad acts” to show their propensity to commit the crime or conduct at issue. But there are exceptions, including where the evidence tends to show a pattern or modus operandi. 4/
And that’s exactly what, according to the three-judge appellate panel, the tape, coupled with the other accusers’ testimony showed: “a repeated, idiosyncratic pattern of conduct consistent with what Ms. Carroll alleged.” 5/
The panel continued, “In each of the three encounters, Mr. Trump engaged in an ordinary conversation with a woman he barely knew, then abruptly lunged at
her in a semi-public place and proceeded to kiss and forcefully touch her without her consent.” 6/
And those acts, they ruled, “are sufficiently similar to show a pattern or ‘recurring modus operandi.’” 7/
One of my friends told me over the weekend that she has never been so despondent about women’s power, at least the kind of power they obtain and exercise independently, not derivatively from a male parent, partner, or mentor. 8/
And while I wholly appreciate where she is coming from, remember this: 2024 was also the year in which a federal appeals court decided that the word of three women, juxtaposed against the smirking admissions of one man, could justify a game-changing jury verdict. 9/
Even if that man is the former or future president. 10/
p.s. We have been trained to think accountability comes solely through criminal law. Let 2025 be the year that we stop treating civil judgments like prosecutions’ poor relation. What matters, as Gisele Pelicot reminds us, is that the shame changes sides.
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