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highplainsdem

(53,575 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:30 PM Jan 9

'It's Total Chaos Internally at Meta Right Now': Employees Protest Zuckerberg's Anti LGBTQ Changes

Source: 404 Media

Meta employees are furious with the company’s newly announced content moderation changes that will allow users to say that LGBTQ+ people have “mental illness,” according to internal conversations obtained by 404 Media and interviews with five current employees. The changes were part of a larger shift Mark Zuckerberg announced Monday to do far less content moderation on Meta platforms.

“I am LGBT and Mentally Ill,” one post by an employee on an internal Meta platform called Workplace reads. “Just to let you know that I’ll be taking time out to look after my mental health.”

On Monday, Mark Zuckerberg announced that the company would be getting “back to our roots around free expression” to allow “more speech and fewer mistakes.” The company said “we’re getting rid of a number of restrictions on topics like immigration, gender identity, and gender that are the subject of frequent political discourse and debate.” A review of Meta’s official content moderation policies show, specifically, that some of the only substantive changes to the policy were made to specifically allow for “allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation.” It has long been known that being LGBTQ+ is not a sign of “mental illness,” and the false idea that sexuality or gender identification is a mental illness has long been used to stigmatize and discriminate against LGBTQ+ people.

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Another thread on Meta’s internal Workplace site that has several hundred comments and more than a thousand reactions reads “[feedback] Sexual Orientation and Gender as a mental illness … I’d appreciate some more detail on: How the decision was made to update the policy, particularly given this does not reflect any mainstream scientific consensus; How the policy reflects our values and perspectives as a company, and whether these are different to the values we’ve expressed in the past; Who (if any) LGBT groups [internal or external] were consulted as part of this change.”

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Read more: https://www.404media.co/its-total-chaos-internally-at-meta-right-now-employees-protest-zuckerbergs-anti-lgbtq-changes/

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'It's Total Chaos Internally at Meta Right Now': Employees Protest Zuckerberg's Anti LGBTQ Changes (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 9 OP
Sounds like zucktheschmuck has his dirty hands full... SheltieLover Jan 9 #1
They should either unionize or quit en masse. Crowman2009 Jan 9 #2
Entry level engineers make $179k at Meta. Basso8vb Jan 9 #4
Unless they have a H1B RainCaster Jan 9 #6
I retired a decade ago. My industry went through this hire the H1B employees, particularly Joinfortmill Jan 9 #8
Yeah, but they can just run through the entire incoming H1B workforce OldBaldy1701E Jan 9 #10
In tech, the H1B is a temporary thing, AI is the ultimate goal RainCaster Jan 9 #11
That's not much to live on if you want to own a house or rent a decent appartment in the Bay area. Crowman2009 Jan 9 #13
It's okay. Not great. Demobrat Jan 9 #16
And quit creating a technology dystopia for the rest of us. LisaM Jan 9 #17
I dropped Facebook years ago... forgotmylogin Jan 9 #3
I just quit IG BonnieJW Jan 9 #20
I quit it, too, and feel the same. BadgerMom Jan 9 #40
Zuck is trying the orange look like fearless leader LiberalArkie Jan 9 #5
looks more like a light tan since it matches his neck. thebigidea Jan 9 #18
Is he on some hormones? wolfie001 Jan 9 #27
I just read that zuckerberg was dead Trueblue1968 Jan 9 #31
He's with Paul now. defacto7 Jan 9 #34
Playing the facebook app backwards to hear the secrets. Trueblue1968 Jan 10 #46
Yep, along with all the album artwork weirdness. defacto7 Jan 10 #47
Going the way of X. These billionaires are an obscenity of greed. Hope the go down in flames. Joinfortmill Jan 9 #7
To please trump. PSPS Jan 9 #9
so can we then say white heterosexual christians have mental illness? that's only fair nt msongs Jan 9 #12
And accurate dickthegrouch Jan 9 #14
Neither statements are accurate actually. Elessar Zappa Jan 9 #15
An imaginary omnipotent friend in the sky. I'm not saying it's mental illness. Lucky Luciano Jan 9 #24
Not saying it's mental illness, but it takes a hard head & hard heart to call a 4,000 year human process mental illness. ancianita Jan 9 #39
Accuse Sucker of being mentally ill rpannier Jan 9 #25
Zuck has no courage, zero honor Skittles Jan 9 #19
Facebook is a scourge hueymahl Jan 9 #21
If Zuck gets...never mind. Hassler Jan 9 #22
Good. Bring it down from the inside, brothers and sisters! Lulu KC Jan 9 #23
They should get together and Tar & Feather him wolfie001 Jan 9 #26
Quit Stupidgram yesterday. The Unmitigated Gall Jan 9 #28
And they'll do nothing but complain rpannier Jan 9 #29
Nobody likes G.O.P. fascism BoRaGard Jan 9 #30
Interesting to think that Zuck's portrayal in "The Social Network" Aristus Jan 9 #32
But look at the bright side ... defacto7 Jan 9 #37
Since the Alien Being Known As Zuckerberg moniss Jan 9 #33
To answer your question about what, if any, "LGBTQ groups were consulted as part of this change" red dog 1 Jan 9 #35
K&R red dog 1 Jan 9 #36
That is horrible ck4829 Jan 20 #50
i have been hearing that nonsense for decades. AllaN01Bear Jan 9 #38
Yet, Trump raping children is normal and acceptable to Zuck and his right wingers. keithbvadu2 Jan 9 #41
I imagine shit went down something like this: AZJonnie Jan 10 #42
Today, two of my FB friends were put on restrictions because of posts. C Moon Jan 10 #43
Was Trump's rump that tasty Zuck? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 10 #44
So... lonely bird Jan 10 #45
He really is a man-child ck4829 Jan 20 #49
Kick ck4829 Jan 20 #48
General strike meta! Walk out together for eachother! Bluethroughu Jan 20 #51
Immigrants and LGBTQ are the sickos.... Lovie777 Jan 20 #52

Crowman2009

(2,935 posts)
2. They should either unionize or quit en masse.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:33 PM
Jan 9

Tech workers need to quit this delusion that they are All going to be millionaires. Either get it together, or live a life of high tech indentured servitude.

RainCaster

(11,951 posts)
6. Unless they have a H1B
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:56 PM
Jan 9

Those people make roughly half that, and that's why Peter Theil wants to expand the H1B visa count. So that all the high tech firms can hire more cheap workers to displace those citizens who would earn a full $180k starting salary. Many of those engineers will discover that their salary tops out quickly and that they will be replaced by incoming H1B grads.

I'm so glad that I'm retiring from technology this month. It's been a long time in a once exciting industry. The "tech bros" and their desire to rule the world at the expense of others has me embarrassed to be part of this world.

Joinfortmill

(17,060 posts)
8. I retired a decade ago. My industry went through this hire the H1B employees, particularly
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:03 PM
Jan 9

the tech types from India. It didn't last long. No one can match the American worker.

OldBaldy1701E

(7,038 posts)
10. Yeah, but they can just run through the entire incoming H1B workforce
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:16 PM
Jan 9

for about the same price as trying to keep one American worker. And, they don't have to compensate the H1Bs for anything beyond the bare necessity if they don't want to.

RainCaster

(11,951 posts)
11. In tech, the H1B is a temporary thing, AI is the ultimate goal
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:25 PM
Jan 9

The idea that we will have an AI designed by inexperienced engineers with no education in philosophy (right/wrong) is going to produce more failures than anything else. I only hope to see that those "tech bros" will be bankrupted by their creations and the damage they cause.

Crowman2009

(2,935 posts)
13. That's not much to live on if you want to own a house or rent a decent appartment in the Bay area.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:57 PM
Jan 9

Demobrat

(9,991 posts)
16. It's okay. Not great.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:34 PM
Jan 9

it will cover a modest one bedroom apartment and car payment with not much left over. Not bad right out of college.
The problem is that when you are a (very) few years older and making more money you will be replaced by a younger person or H1B.

LisaM

(28,928 posts)
17. And quit creating a technology dystopia for the rest of us.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:35 PM
Jan 9

I met a friend last night for happy hour. We tried to navigate the menu with the QR code. But it didn't clearly separate the happy hour menu from the regular menu and we accidentally opened two simultaneous tabs and basically had to course correct everything. It's a small thing but every daily task seems to come with these annoying roadblocks and it makes life less fun.

forgotmylogin

(7,713 posts)
3. I dropped Facebook years ago...
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:38 PM
Jan 9

Last night I deleted my Threads account, which is fine - it was a stepping stone between The Bird Place and BlueSky.

BonnieJW

(2,705 posts)
20. I just quit IG
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:59 PM
Jan 9

I really liked it, but not enough to put up with schmuckerburg. What a putz he is. I hope karma is truly a bitch for him.

BadgerMom

(3,041 posts)
40. I quit it, too, and feel the same.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 11:29 PM
Jan 9

I quit Facebook after the 2016 election. I was fine. I wasn’t that attached it turned out. I quit Threads and didn’t miss it because I moved to Bluesky. But I will miss Insta. There are family members who post there whom I won’t catch up with any other way. Still, if I have any integrity, I can’t let that jerk Zuck have my info, my connections, my photos. So, he can pound sand.

thebigidea

(13,448 posts)
18. looks more like a light tan since it matches his neck.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:56 PM
Jan 9

Maybe he's wearing his fucking headsets too long.

Trueblue1968

(18,379 posts)
46. Playing the facebook app backwards to hear the secrets.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 03:09 PM
Jan 10

Isn't that the conspiracy ?? To play the Beatles record backwards ??

defacto7

(13,765 posts)
47. Yep, along with all the album artwork weirdness.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 07:54 PM
Jan 10

I remember thinking it was stupid even back in grade school. But it's still a good comeback when talking ct.

PSPS

(14,278 posts)
9. To please trump.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:06 PM
Jan 9

The last thing trump wants is any moderation at all since it inhibits his and his MAGA proxies/bots ability to open the fire hose of misinformation, disinformation and, especially, hatred for the target du jour.

Lucky Luciano

(11,554 posts)
24. An imaginary omnipotent friend in the sky. I'm not saying it's mental illness.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jan 9

Maybe I am. Or it was just indoctrination at a very early age for the most part.

ancianita

(39,414 posts)
39. Not saying it's mental illness, but it takes a hard head & hard heart to call a 4,000 year human process mental illness.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:58 PM
Jan 9

Maybe Joe Biden can explain his indoctrination to those who have never read about the imaginary omnipotent friend in the sky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_accredited_by_the_Association_of_Theological_Schools_in_the_United_States_and_Canada

rpannier

(24,623 posts)
25. Accuse Sucker of being mentally ill
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jan 9

and make up accusations about his behavior and wee how quickly his moderation policy matches eloon's

wolfie001

(4,002 posts)
26. They should get together and Tar & Feather him
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:06 PM
Jan 9

Don't kill him. Just pull off a Boston Tea Party on that little shrimpy dood. I'm quite sure his security detail would look the other way for 15 minutes or so.

Aristus

(68,937 posts)
32. Interesting to think that Zuck's portrayal in "The Social Network"
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:49 PM
Jan 9

as an obnoxious dick was still a step up from reality.

moniss

(6,414 posts)
33. Since the Alien Being Known As Zuckerberg
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:17 PM
Jan 9

has declared that posting false things is not a problem since people can post opposite views then I suggest people put it to the test by flooding the space with claims , photos etc. of Zuckerberg doing all manner of despicable things. I'm sure the matter won't just be left to a few defenders making "clarifying" statements.

red dog 1

(29,811 posts)
35. To answer your question about what, if any, "LGBTQ groups were consulted as part of this change"
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:08 PM
Jan 9

I'm sure the answer is NONE.

red dog 1

(29,811 posts)
36. K&R
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:11 PM
Jan 9

Zuckerberg is an A$$HOLE who hates gay people, Democrats, and animals.
(He still refuses to remove animal torture videos from FB)

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
41. Yet, Trump raping children is normal and acceptable to Zuck and his right wingers.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 11:43 PM
Jan 9

Yet, Trump raping children is normal and acceptable to Zuck and his right wingers.

If someone says it is bad, their post would be deleted.

AZJonnie

(247 posts)
42. I imagine shit went down something like this:
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:59 AM
Jan 10

MAGALoon Dipshit: "All the doctors and medical textbooks for 1000's of years said being a l**yb*y f***** was a mental sickness, then the WOKE came along and took over everything and made 'em all change all them books and papers and such to say it wudn't no more, but of course it is, the old stuff was right all along!"
Old Facebook: "Um, yeah, no, that's a lie, and it's hurtful to say, so we're taking it down"
MAGALoon Dipshit: "Like HELL! That's legit POLITICAL DISCOURSE RIGHT THERE! See how I said "Woke"? That means it's POLITICAL, and you're censorin' me against the 1st Amendment!!!!11!!"
Facebook '47: "Well, golly we never thought of it that way, Sir, but you're right, you did say "Woke" and that's politics which means its free speech. We're putting your post back up right away, Sir, and changing our policy!"

Fuck you Zuck! I admittedly use FB rarely (mainly cause me and my partner's moms both use it), but only the web interface on the PC, with an ad-blocker, which means I see 0 ads. All my usage does is cost Meta money. If they ever ban ad-blockers on PC like Youtube did some months back , I will def. stop using FB.

C Moon

(12,676 posts)
43. Today, two of my FB friends were put on restrictions because of posts.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 04:28 AM
Jan 10

Both posts were completely harmless. Very strange.
I think things are a little crazy over there since his decision.

lonely bird

(2,054 posts)
45. So...
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 07:37 AM
Jan 10

I only open Facebook about once a month. I have only ever posted regarding my high school class and a couple other things friend related. That is it.

Now, perhaps someone can verify or correct me on this…I am under the impression that Zuckerberg was not some genius coder when he wrote the code to create Facebook. I assume that others improved the code as time progressed. That would include any algorithms that Facebook uses.

So, basically, Zuckerberg is wealthy because of luck and the work of others. We see now that he isn’t some genius but a guy who has control of a corporation that has immense impact on society while having little actual ability to run said corporation.

He is a man-child.

Bluethroughu

(6,579 posts)
51. General strike meta! Walk out together for eachother!
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:34 PM
Jan 20

Show this thug what your value really is!

Together!

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