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BumRushDaShow

(146,692 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 06:39 PM Jan 19

'Split-second decision': Supreme Court returns to the question of police killings

Source: NBC News

Jan. 19, 2025, 7:00 AM EST


HOUSTON — It took just seconds for a routine traffic stop on a Texas highway to escalate into a fatal shooting that left 24-year-old Ashtian Barnes bleeding to death in the driver’s seat. What happened during those seconds and the minutes prior during the April 2016 incident is now central to a Supreme Court case being argued on Wednesday that could make it easier — or harder — to hold police officers accountable for the use of excessive force.

For Barnes’ mother, Janice Hughes, 55, who filed the civil rights lawsuit at the center of the case, the oral argument at the high court is the latest stop on a more than eight-year quest for justice on behalf of her only son, who was a Black man. “I want out of this that my son was a victim. He was never a suspect … and I need that to be clear. He was a victim from the very beginning,” she said in an emotional interview at her lawyer’s home in Houston with her two daughters and granddaughter by her side.

Almost five years since the death of George Floyd, another Black man killed by a police officer, Hughes believes no progress has been made despite the mass protests and calls for social justice that followed. “I feel like at some point, somebody has to really take this seriously, because it continues to happen and all we get to do is rally, and ‘Black Lives Matter,’ and nothing changes,” Hughes said. “Nobody’s policing the police.” Hughes’ civil rights lawsuit was dismissed by lower courts on the grounds that no excessive force was used.

But the courts made that assessment based only on the precise moment that force was used, based on a precedent adopted in parts of the country but not to date embraced by the Supreme Court. Hughes’ lawyers are now asking the Supreme Court to reject what has been dubbed the “moment of the threat doctrine,” which could lead to a nationwide ruling that makes clear courts should consider events leading up to the use of force when assessing an officer’s conduct.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/split-second-decision-supreme-court-returns-question-police-killings-rcna183005

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'Split-second decision': Supreme Court returns to the question of police killings (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 19 OP
Clear indications that their training is subpar. NotHardly Jan 19 #1
Also... BumRushDaShow Jan 19 #2
Somewhere between 20% and 25% of black men Pototan Jan 20 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author mountain grammy Jan 20 #6
Source? Miguelito Loveless Jan 20 #7
Associated Press Pototan Jan 20 #9
I may have white privelege but The Mouth Jan 20 #4
No one is safe, true Miguelito Loveless Jan 20 #8
So Many Things Went Wrong DallasNE Jan 20 #5

NotHardly

(1,567 posts)
1. Clear indications that their training is subpar.
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jan 19

Review boards need to be established to determine the type of training they are being given: 1) community policing or 2) military...everyone is the enemy stuff.

Secondly, no one should be a police officer "with no less than a 1 year academy with a hell of a lot more than weapons training ... like even pretend that their function is to "serve and protect".

Thirdly, remove the "liability immunity" ... they need some skin in the game and they might behave more responsibly5

Lastly, in any incident involving arrests, violence by either party, any instance in which a citizens complaint is made is to be reviewed by Adm. within 5 work days of the incident.

BumRushDaShow

(146,692 posts)
2. Also...
Sun Jan 19, 2025, 09:00 PM
Jan 19

Over the past couple years, more cities (like here in Philly) have been adding "mental health counselors" and specially-trained police officers so that instead of hauling off and shooting someone who is, as the terminology goes, "having a mental heath episode", they will have counselors and/or someone who is trained and available to go to the scene to assist other officers, and can hopefully diffuse the situation.

E.g., - CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM (CIT) OFFICERS

There have been far too many instances where a family member will call the police when one of their relatives is having a psychotic episode, and then when the police arrive, the caller will usually try to alert the cops with something like - "He's mental!! He's mental!!!"... Yet the police, who have little or no training on how to deal with that, will fire some weapon (taser or gun) and will often kill the individual immediately if the person lunges at them. In some cases, the individual in crises might have other disabilities like a hearing impairment, etc., so they will not respond to commands, further infuriating an officer.

So there is so much that needs to be done in the area of "policing" to make it more effective and less lethal.

Response to Pototan (Reply #3)

Pototan

(2,269 posts)
9. Associated Press
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 03:01 PM
Jan 20

Trump was able to make slight inroads with Black voters nationally, who made up about 1 in 10 voters across the country.

Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.

Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12

The Mouth

(3,321 posts)
4. I may have white privelege but
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 12:21 AM
Jan 20

I've known my entire life that anything other than immediate and literal compliance from any police officer can easily mean my death and that they will *not* be held accountable.

Juries do not, have not, and never will care if someone is having a 'mental health episode', and a condition that prevents compliance, or is just hard of hearing or confused by an incompetent police officer.

The second you begin an interaction with a police officer to do anything other than comply with instructions might well get your ass killed.

I don't see this ever changing; white, black, male, female, natural born citizen or undocumented, few juries are going to care and any cop is going to make your life painful and/or short if you don't STFU and act as you're told. This is kind of like gravity or taxes- a few ultra wealthy might get a break, but I sure ain't going to.

POC are vastly more likely to get hassled, but no one is safe, and they never will be.



DallasNE

(7,656 posts)
5. So Many Things Went Wrong
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:22 AM
Jan 20

Most telling was to start to drive away with a gun pointed at your head. The officer should have known the car was a rental from the license plate. Were the toll drive offs from this rent or an earlier rent? Kind of important. Why did the stop to fatal shot happen so fast (within seconds). The cop appeared to quickly go from unpaid tolls to looking for drugs (weed) instantly. The cop ran the plates before the stop. How else would he know that there were unpaid tolls? How do the officer determine which plates to run. What they should be asking is “was this a driving while black” case? Still, the driver driving off is a big error in judgement.

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