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BumRushDaShow

(145,630 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:48 AM 13 hrs ago

Trump reclassifies thousands of federal employees, making them easier to fire

Source: The Guardian

Mon 20 Jan 2025 20.49 EST
Last modified on Tue 21 Jan 2025 05.27 EST


Donald Trump on Monday issued an executive order reclassifying thousands of federal employees as political hires, making them easier to fire if deemed insufficiently loyal to the new president and his aims.

One of a promised flurry of measures signed on Trump’s first day back in power, the order effectively reinstates “Schedule F”, which sought to allow for the reclassification of tens of thousands of federal workers. Schedule F changed civil service rules to allow for a broad swath of career federal employees to be fired without civil service protection, reclassifying their jobs as political appointments.

In the executive order posted Monday night on the White House website titled “Initial rescissions of harmful executive orders and actions,” Trump revoked an executive order issued by Joe Biden two days after assuming office in 2021.

That order revoked a different late-term Trump order that redesignated many federal civilian employees, which exempted them from civil service protections.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/20/trump-executive-order-schedule-f

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Trump reclassifies thousands of federal employees, making them easier to fire (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 13 hrs ago OP
We tried to tell the USA what magas were going to do....... Lovie777 13 hrs ago #1
These folks will be scared to speak up--even in private settings for fear of getting fired IMHO-this riversedge 13 hrs ago #2
They have had years to plan the destruction kerouac2 12 hrs ago #3
Goodbye democracy. Hello fascism. FailureToCommunicate 12 hrs ago #4
Authoritarians exert pressure from top down. They hope to replace all employees with compliant cult members Bernardo de La Paz 12 hrs ago #5
Hope some MAGOT is the first fired,loses their home,car everything Bengus81 12 hrs ago #6
Im with you johnnyfins 11 hrs ago #7
I imagine most federal employees are not MAGA. LisaL 10 hrs ago #13
I've known several fed employees who were card carrying MAGA nazis Mysterian 1 hr ago #31
Project 2025 is here. You fuckers either didn't believe it or didn't care. Now you are going to pay the price. Ferrets are Cool 11 hrs ago #8
Now WE are going to pay the price Easterncedar 11 hrs ago #9
Would be interesting to know how many of these new 'political' class Voted for this clownshow. mackdaddy 10 hrs ago #10
Federal Employees as a group went Harris-Walz by double digits. Hugin 9 hrs ago #19
Party tickets intelpug 6 hrs ago #21
On that bus, there are only Bozos. Layzeebeaver 9 hrs ago #20
I wonder if this can be blocked by a court. JohnnyRingo 10 hrs ago #11
With this SCOTUS? " Hekate 3 hrs ago #29
I actually gave it more thought and it may be moot if it's unconstitutional. JohnnyRingo 2 hrs ago #30
What about their collective bargaining agreement? no_hypocrisy 10 hrs ago #12
Does PATCO ring a bell? LiberalArkie 10 hrs ago #16
PATCO violated the prohibition of federal employees to strike BumRushDaShow 9 hrs ago #18
There will be lawsuits upon lawsuits BumRushDaShow 9 hrs ago #17
Some people will rise up but... kansasobama 10 hrs ago #14
Project 2025 is MAGA for "Mein Kampf" Kid Berwyn 10 hrs ago #15
Didn't he do the same thing to the foreign service in his last time around? FakeNoose 6 hrs ago #22
Of course sakabatou 6 hrs ago #23
If Donnie wants to create an army of thousands of disgruntled federal employees seeking retribution Blue_Tires 6 hrs ago #24
One of the first things a dictator does is purge the Civil Service. It's a meritocracy designed to be non-political... Hekate 3 hrs ago #25
What a slam on any undecided voters that went for him D. Spaulding 3 hrs ago #26
Its an attempt, theres a little protection hedgetrimmer 3 hrs ago #27
A President can declassify union workers into at will employees? no_hypocrisy 3 hrs ago #28
Here come the lawsuits! pfitz59 1 hr ago #32
Don't federal employees have a union? choie 1 hr ago #33
There are several BumRushDaShow 57 min ago #34

Lovie777

(15,664 posts)
1. We tried to tell the USA what magas were going to do.......
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:58 AM
13 hrs ago

remember the job loses in the GW Bush era? The economy tanked, and President Obama brought the economy back to life.

But oh noes, the eggs are to high.

riversedge

(73,849 posts)
2. These folks will be scared to speak up--even in private settings for fear of getting fired IMHO-this
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:00 AM
13 hrs ago

is a dangerous situation--.

kerouac2

(777 posts)
3. They have had years to plan the destruction
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:27 AM
12 hrs ago

They will exploit everything. And it takes a long time to undo or litigate their actions.

And guess what, most of his voters don't even pay attention enough to really know anything he does or the ramifications.

They are blissful maga frogs who don't know the water is going to boil them alive.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,893 posts)
5. Authoritarians exert pressure from top down. They hope to replace all employees with compliant cult members
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:04 AM
12 hrs ago

and they hope to do it without having to fire en masse. Just pressure pressure pressure so that resistance quits on its own.

Bengus81

(7,628 posts)
6. Hope some MAGOT is the first fired,loses their home,car everything
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:06 AM
12 hrs ago

I no longer give a flying FUCK about those people. Live on a fucking park bench for all I care.

johnnyfins

(1,570 posts)
7. Im with you
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:15 AM
11 hrs ago

And I consider myself an empathetic person.

No one is blinder than he who WILL NOT see.

LisaL

(46,843 posts)
13. I imagine most federal employees are not MAGA.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:34 AM
10 hrs ago

My guess is they knew what was coming based on Trump's last term.

Mysterian

(5,234 posts)
31. I've known several fed employees who were card carrying MAGA nazis
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:15 PM
1 hr ago

A couple higher-ups including an attorney and a Forest Service GS-13.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,074 posts)
8. Project 2025 is here. You fuckers either didn't believe it or didn't care. Now you are going to pay the price.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:24 AM
11 hrs ago

mackdaddy

(1,627 posts)
10. Would be interesting to know how many of these new 'political' class Voted for this clownshow.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:13 AM
10 hrs ago

I would guess 25 to 50 percent. But everyone is on the bus.Have fun.

Hugin

(35,050 posts)
19. Federal Employees as a group went Harris-Walz by double digits.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:37 AM
9 hrs ago

Most of them fall in the demographic of college educated which also went for the Democratic ticket.

30% of Federal Employees are veterans as well.

intelpug

(113 posts)
21. Party tickets
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 01:52 PM
6 hrs ago

In the not so long ago past I also worked for "The government" at one time . This was not some sexy fed position that captures headlines or stirs vast controversy but a small obscure county job. The facility that I worked at had a large amount of public interaction daily so we were very much visible even if not at all interesting. I was the senior person in charge. One time during an election cycle I had an employee who started putting up campaign material around the place for a certain candidate in the local election He tried to give me crap for it when I took it all down but cooled his jet's when I told him I would take this to the next level up if he kept up his bullshit ( even though I had the seniority I did not have the power to fire, That was one level up from me ) Even though I had my own personal leanings in the area politics I knew damn well when one is a public employee well then,, One serves the public, That's it, You don't view people walking through the door as "Democrat's', "Republican", ect. You view them as the public your expected to serve with the same amount of courtesy and service all the way around. The elected people of course are expected to openly expound on their party affiliations but in my opinion regular civil servant's ( hourly people in private business) need to stay apolitical at work and remember they are there to do a job for "THE PUBLIC'' regardless of how they lean politically ( And yes, I do know campaign posters and the like are illegal on Government property, One of the reasons I jumped this guy)

JohnnyRingo

(19,520 posts)
11. I wonder if this can be blocked by a court.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:14 AM
10 hrs ago

Sounds pretty close to rewriting the basis of the constitution or the very structure of government.

If he can do this, he can start firing Capital school teachers, firemen, and all FBI agents. He could go through the halls of Foggy Bottom or the IRS to make sure there are sufficient portraits of him hanging on the walls.

JohnnyRingo

(19,520 posts)
30. I actually gave it more thought and it may be moot if it's unconstitutional.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:03 PM
2 hrs ago

He's immune for crimes committed while doing his job. If a court demands he end a program or reverse an action he signed, and he simple ignores the judge order, what could they do? Could they charge him with contempt of court? Refer back to that first sentence.

Trump is in effect, a dictator.

BumRushDaShow

(145,630 posts)
18. PATCO violated the prohibition of federal employees to strike
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:28 AM
9 hrs ago

which lead to Raygun's firing them.

But that wasn't a contract-related issue like this.

BumRushDaShow

(145,630 posts)
17. There will be lawsuits upon lawsuits
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 10:25 AM
9 hrs ago

which I expect is the point of all of this. To keep the peons tied up on court while they raid the Treasury.

kansasobama

(1,561 posts)
14. Some people will rise up but...
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:37 AM
10 hrs ago

There has to be a leader of the opposition who has to come up to lead and be brave. Who is this going to be? For once, can we just stop this bullshit that we cannot have coastal Dems. Nation is burning and it is not going to be a Dem from a Midwestern state that voted for MAGA. Not happening.

FakeNoose

(36,284 posts)
22. Didn't he do the same thing to the foreign service in his last time around?
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:05 PM
6 hrs ago

That's how he was able to fire so many state department employees. Chump and Rex Tillerson together almost completely decimated the State Department. Now Chump wants to do the same thing to the entire US government.

Blue_Tires

(57,536 posts)
24. If Donnie wants to create an army of thousands of disgruntled federal employees seeking retribution
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 02:11 PM
6 hrs ago

I say let him go ahead...

Hekate

(95,723 posts)
25. One of the first things a dictator does is purge the Civil Service. It's a meritocracy designed to be non-political...
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 04:25 PM
3 hrs ago

There’s a lot of political appointments available to an incoming administration — like Heckuva Job Brownie — but dictators, despots, and autocrats want it all, and they want those jobs to be for sale. You too can get your moronic nephew a job supervising dam repair and construction: all you have to do is grease the right palms.

D. Spaulding

(54 posts)
26. What a slam on any undecided voters that went for him
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 04:29 PM
3 hrs ago

Everyone one remember the firm denial from Trump and his sycophants?
"Project 2025? What's that?"
"that's ridiculous, the president never even heard of it"
Now he's hired many of the authors into his administration and not even sparing a second before beginning to follow the playbook.

pfitz59

(11,120 posts)
32. Here come the lawsuits!
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 06:18 PM
1 hr ago

I'm certain the Federal Courts will issue an injunction within the next few days. Then it becomes a push me pull you battle of judicial appointees.

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