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BumRushDaShow

(146,847 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 03:47 AM Jan 31

Kim Davis pleads with appeals court to let her off the hook for $100,000 owed to same-sex couple she denied a marriage

Source: Law & Crime

Jan 30th, 2025, 5:36 pm


Kim Davis, the former county clerk from Kentucky who infamously refused to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, is now asking a federal appellate court to nix a jury’s $100,000 civil judgment against her.

Previously the clerk for Rowan County in the Bluegrass State, Davis refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, citing her religious beliefs. This refusal flew in the face of the landmark 2015 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges as well as an executive order by the governor directing all county clerks to comply with the ruling.

In turn, two couples sued Davis: David Ermold and David Moore, and James Yates and Will Smith. Each couple had been repeatedly denied a marriage license by Davis — who would go on to serve six days in jail before losing reelection to a Democrat in 2018.

In March 2022, U.S. District Judge David Bunning, a George W. Bush appointee, granted the plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment — finding that Davis had knowingly violated the law.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/her-arguments-are-again-meritless-kim-davis-pleads-with-appeals-court-to-let-her-off-the-hook-for-100000-owed-to-same-sex-couple-she-denied-a-marriage-license/



Full headline: ‘Her arguments are again meritless’: Kim Davis pleads with appeals court to let her off the hook for $100,000 owed to same-sex couple she denied a marriage license
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Kim Davis pleads with appeals court to let her off the hook for $100,000 owed to same-sex couple she denied a marriage (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 31 OP
Another "good Christian" who, " knowingly violated the law." Botany Jan 31 #1
And we all know what Jesus said about homosexuality........ groundloop Jan 31 #8
You're right. And I learned from the show "Bob hearts Abishola" that no where in the bible does it say anything Maraya1969 Jan 31 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Maraya1969 Jan 31 #11
Bigoted assholes who think that Jesus will give 'em an extra comfy couch in heaven if they Botany Jan 31 #12
DENY! elleng Jan 31 #2
Deny and compound the interest. How long has this been hanging in the air? soldierant Jan 31 #34
My God they never fucking go away, do they? NBachers Jan 31 #3
It's endless. tanyev Jan 31 #13
There's a blast from the past. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Jan 31 #4
Good grief! boonecreek Jan 31 #5
Why is this taking so long? perdita9 Jan 31 #6
My thought, too. Just how long do these people have to wait for court ordered restitution? Deuxcents Jan 31 #26
Yea no shit! Hell bluestarone Jan 31 #27
do the crime, do the time Repugs used to tell me rurallib Jan 31 #7
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Jan 31 #9
Fuck her. Oopsie Daisy Jan 31 #14
No thanks, not my job, after you by all means state of stupid Jan 31 #22
🤪🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Jan 31 #23
How many years ago was this?? And she hasn't paid a cent yet? Maraya1969 Jan 31 #15
Screw you Kim!! I remember her well,maybe someone has a pic looking smug Bengus81 Jan 31 #16
Why is she still spewing hate and wasting oxygen??? niyad Jan 31 #17
September 2015: The Kim Davis Saga May Last Until At Least January, If Not Longer mahatmakanejeeves Jan 31 #18
LOL BumRushDaShow Jan 31 #19
I think she's been hoping some of her cheering squad would pay it for her. Solly Mack Jan 31 #20
I think she is just grifting. She hopes someone with money will hear her plea and give her the money. usaf-vet Jan 31 #21
i hope she loses, barbtries Jan 31 #24
Don't laugh too soon, guys. Clarence Thomas mentioned Obergefell in his concurrence with Dobbs... Hekate Jan 31 #25
My jaw dropped when I saw this post--there is the big R for Religion in it and do believe she riversedge Jan 31 #32
When Dobbs was passed, I cried for 3 days. But when I *read* Dobbs, I went ballistic... Hekate Jan 31 #33
I had forgotten that Clarence Thomas left the right to 'interracial marriage"!! Thanks for the reminder. riversedge Jan 31 #36
Kim Davis IdiotsforPalin Jan 31 #28
Lock her up. yardwork Jan 31 #29
Ten years, and the case is still in litigation. malthaussen Jan 31 #30
I will never forget what she looked like then. I will avoid ever seeing her again. My EYES....... twodogsbarking Jan 31 #31
Sell you house Kimmy.................how about forfeiting your pension............. turbinetree Jan 31 #35
She Is Lucky It Is Only $100,000 DallasNE Jan 31 #37

groundloop

(12,485 posts)
8. And we all know what Jesus said about homosexuality........
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:22 AM
Jan 31

(As far as I've ever been able to find not one single word.)

Maraya1969

(23,147 posts)
10. You're right. And I learned from the show "Bob hearts Abishola" that no where in the bible does it say anything
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 08:19 AM
Jan 31

against 2 women having sex. And there was one other fact that I cannot remember

I think the 2 men sex thing is all about procreation. Israel is filled with excavation's showing how one tribe concurred another and built upon the land. 2 men having sex would not help in increasing their man power so they were label "abomination" Same way shell fish were - I think some people died and that is how they dealt with losing the man power - label it an "abomination"

Response to groundloop (Reply #8)

Botany

(73,112 posts)
12. Bigoted assholes who think that Jesus will give 'em an extra comfy couch in heaven if they
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 08:23 AM
Jan 31

… are nasty to LGBT people on earth.

perdita9

(1,208 posts)
6. Why is this taking so long?
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 06:43 AM
Jan 31

This incident happened years ago, the verdict happened years ago. The court should have enforced the ruling long before now. The plaintiffs shouldn't have to wait so long for justice.

OldBaldy1701E

(7,100 posts)
9. BINGO!
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 08:11 AM
Jan 31

We need to start saying that anyone who would dispute a lawful court order is like those illegal immigrants we keep hearing about. Both are breaking the laws of this great country!

(If they can paint with such a broad brush, so can we! If they even make a face at a government agency or official, we need to start screaming about how 'unpatriotic' it is and how they must be 'the enemy' of such a great nation.)

mahatmakanejeeves

(62,697 posts)
18. September 2015: The Kim Davis Saga May Last Until At Least January, If Not Longer
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 11:47 AM
Jan 31
The Kim Davis Saga May Last Until At Least January, If Not Longer

by Zack Ford Sep 11, 2015 8:00am

Embattled Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis will return to work on Monday, and her lawyers refuse to clarify whether she will allow her deputies to continue issuing marriage licenses as they have since last Friday. If she doesn’t, it could restart a new cycle of contempt and send her back to jail for again violating a federal court order.

{snip}

Mat Staver, head of the Liberty Counsel, the anti-LGBT legal organization that represents Davis, has made numerous claims in the press about the validity of licenses issued by her deputies and the accommodations she could be provided. For example, in a new interview with the Heritage Foundation’s Daily Signal, Staver claims that Gov. Steve Beshear (D) could simply print new marriage license forms that “take her name and title off, which costs nothing to the commonwealth.” Every aspect of this is untrue.

{snip}

But the legislature doesn’t actually have to change anything to accommodate Davis. Kentucky law specifically states that anything a ministerial officer can do “may be performed by his lawful deputy.” This, combined with the law’s numerous references to deputy county clerks issuing marriage licenses and filing marriage certificates, suggests that nothing actually requires Davis to interact with a marriage license.

This question similarly came up during the contempt hearing as {U.S. District Judge David Bunning} was considering requiring the deputies to issue licenses. Can deputies issue valid marriage licenses without Davis’ presence or approval? William Ellis Sharp, an ACLU attorney representing the same-sex couples who filed the complaint against Davis, explained to the court that it made little sense that she could actually prevent deputies from performing their duty. ... “We don’t think her authority extends that far,” Sharp explained, “insofar as the office, apart from Kim Davis, exists to perform certain public functions. Kim Davis does not have to personally touch every marriage license. She employs people for the purpose of carrying out the duties of that office. To the extent Kim Davis has an erroneous instruction of her ability to block them from doing that, that, nonetheless, does not mean that they cannot perform those functions.”

Fri Sep 11, 2015: The Kim Davis Saga May Last Until At Least January, If Not Longer

Solly Mack

(93,803 posts)
20. I think she's been hoping some of her cheering squad would pay it for her.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 12:02 PM
Jan 31

I would not be surprised to learn that some of them even promised her they would help her out if she just stuck to her guns.

usaf-vet

(7,234 posts)
21. I think she is just grifting. She hopes someone with money will hear her plea and give her the money.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 12:15 PM
Jan 31

I remember that the last time she lost a court case, that is precisely what happened. Some rich entities just wrote her a check.

I could be wrong!

In any case, I don't believe she has really suffered because of her actions. She might have benefited from the pain she inflicted on others.

Hekate

(96,033 posts)
25. Don't laugh too soon, guys. Clarence Thomas mentioned Obergefell in his concurrence with Dobbs...
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 01:20 PM
Jan 31

IIRC, his reason for doing so was that a line-up of SCOTUS decisions (starting with Griswold, I think) had hinged on a presumptive Constitutional right to privacy, and he name-checked them. He only left out Loving vs Virginia.

https://www.courthousenews.com/thomas-didnt-mention-interracial-marriage-and-thats-worth-talking-about/


riversedge

(74,162 posts)
32. My jaw dropped when I saw this post--there is the big R for Religion in it and do believe she
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 04:54 PM
Jan 31

will eventually win--and it will go to the SC.

Hekate

(96,033 posts)
33. When Dobbs was passed, I cried for 3 days. But when I *read* Dobbs, I went ballistic...
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 06:06 PM
Jan 31

Everything is on the line. The commonalities are adults making personal decisions about who they love and about their sexual behavior, including contraception.

Alito referenced a 12th Century Christian monk and a 16th Century witch-hunting British jurist, and — in a not at all final smack down of non-fanatics — threw Roe back to the 50 states, letting “States’ Rights” rear its ugly head once again. Thomas, in his concurrence, must have looked in a mirror before deciding to leave Loving vs Virginia out.

So what's to stop another court from going after other unenumerated rights by employing the same legal framework that was used to overturn Roe v. Wade?
Justice Samuel Alito for one tries to allay that concern in the lead Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization opinion, taking care to distinguish abortion from other rights, only to have Justice Clarence Thomas pull the rug out.

“In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,” Thomas wrote in concurrence. “Because any substantive due process decision is ‘demonstrably erroneous,’ we have a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.”
For court watchers, almost as notable as the hit list of cases the conservative justice explicitly names was the one he left out. Loving v. Virginia — which in 1967 established a right to interracial marriage — was cited by every other opinion in the Dobbs case when discussing substantive due process.


https://www.courthousenews.com/thomas-didnt-mention-interracial-marriage-and-thats-worth-talking-about/

riversedge

(74,162 posts)
36. I had forgotten that Clarence Thomas left the right to 'interracial marriage"!! Thanks for the reminder.
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:28 PM
Jan 31



............
So what's to stop another court from going after other unenumerated rights by employing the same legal framework that was used to overturn Roe v. Wade?
Justice Samuel Alito for one tries to allay that concern in the lead Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization opinion, taking care to distinguish abortion from other rights, only to have Justice Clarence Thomas pull the rug out.

“In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,” Thomas wrote in concurrence. “Because any substantive due process decision is ‘demonstrably erroneous,’ we have a duty to ‘correct the error’ established in those precedents.”
For court watchers, almost as notable as the hit list of cases the conservative justice explicitly names was the one he left out. Loving v. Virginia — which in 1967 established a right to interracial marriage — was cited by every other opinion in the Dobbs case when discussing substantive due process

DallasNE

(7,667 posts)
37. She Is Lucky It Is Only $100,000
Fri Jan 31, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jan 31

When she ran for the office she knew that she would be required to take an oath that she knew she could not keep. She choose to break the oath and so there should be consequences and a jury said $100,000.

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