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mahatmakanejeeves

(63,496 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:31 PM Feb 14

Vance Tells Europeans to Stop Shunning Parties Deemed Extreme

Source: New York Times

Vance Tells Europeans to Stop Shunning Parties Deemed Extreme
His comments, a week before Germany’s elections, seemed to specifically target efforts to sideline the hard-right Alternative for Germany.

By Jim Tankersley, Steven Erlanger and David E. Sanger
Reporting from Munich

Feb. 14, 2025
Updated 4:04 p.m. ET

Vice President JD Vance told European leaders on Friday that their biggest security threat was not military aggression from Russia or China, or election meddling from Moscow. Rather, he said, it was what he called “the enemy within” — their own suppression of abortion protests and other forms of free speech and the sidelining of parties considered extremist.

The address stunned and silenced hundreds of attendees at the Munich Security Conference, a forum where top-level politicians, diplomats and analysts had gathered expecting to hear the Trump administration’s plans for ending the war in Ukraine and Europe’s defense against a rising Russian threat in the future.

Instead, the vice president offered what may be a preview of a new kind of trans-Atlantic relationship under Mr. Trump — one not built on postwar bonds of stability between allied governments, but rather on ties with once-fringe political parties that share a common approach to migration, identity and internet speech.

Mr. Vance singled out his German hosts, who will elect a new chancellor next weekend, and told them to drop their objections to working with a party that has often reveled in banned Nazi slogans and has been shunned from government as a result.

{snip}

Emma Bubola contributed reporting from Rome.

Jim Tankersley is the Berlin bureau chief for The Times, leading coverage of Germany, Austria and Switzerland. More about Jim Tankersley
https://www.nytimes.com/by/jim-tankersley

Steven Erlanger is the chief diplomatic correspondent in Europe and is based in Berlin. He has reported from over 120 countries, including Thailand, France, Israel, Germany and the former Soviet Union. More about Steven Erlanger
https://www.nytimes.com/by/steven-erlanger

David E. Sanger covers the Trump administration and a range of national security issues. He has been a Times journalist for more than four decades and has written four books on foreign policy and national security challenges. More about David E. Sanger
https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-e-sanger

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/14/world/europe/vance-europe-immigration-ukraine.html

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Vance Tells Europeans to Stop Shunning Parties Deemed Extreme (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Feb 14 OP
JD met the leader of AdF for 30mins - refused to meet the German Chancellor. speak easy Feb 14 #1
Wow. Hard to be more blatant than that. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 14 #7
Goose steppers of a feather, flock together. LudwigPastorius Feb 14 #44
Imagine My Lack Of Surprise MayReasonRule Feb 15 #52
If he really did that, he is indeed a piece of scheiss. raccoon Feb 15 #60
That pretty fucking rich coming from Vance Redleg Feb 14 #2
WHY do repugs have so much hatred? vapor2 Feb 14 #35
Vance: Let's have an all-fascist Europe Wicked Blue Feb 14 #3
Vance is right about the enemy within, but he doesn't realize he is one of those people. patphil Feb 14 #4
shades of Rudolf Hess lapfog_1 Feb 14 #5
Both holding the equivalent post of... Harker Feb 14 #8
exactly.... and both fervent party members ( cult members ) lapfog_1 Feb 14 #10
Unfortunately, Vance isn't likely to die in Spandau. Harker Feb 14 #11
Well, Spandau was scraped off and a mall now exists where it once stood lapfog_1 Feb 14 #17
Missed that! Harker Feb 14 #22
He died in prison age 93 after being held for 46 years. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 14 #9
A suicide. n/t Harker Feb 14 #15
yup, he was the lone prisoner for years lapfog_1 Feb 14 #16
Europeans know very well what happens when destructive authoritarian parties are not stopped DBoon Feb 14 #6
Why would anyone in Europe listen to that little fucktwit? Baitball Blogger Feb 14 #12
He's in way over his head... Harker Feb 14 #19
I hope there are awkward photos like the ones they had with Ivanka Trump. Baitball Blogger Feb 14 #23
That'd be nice! Harker Feb 14 #25
Next he'll tell hens to stop shunning foxes and embrace Avian flu IronLionZion Feb 14 #13
So says the piece of shit nazi extremist. Basso8vb Feb 14 #14
A Nazi advocate . . . well isn't that special? Vinca Feb 14 #18
Hillbilly Hitler, Adolph Vance - Faux appalachiablue Feb 14 #33
Axios: Vance takes MAGA to Munich with speech scolding European leaders OKIsItJustMe Feb 14 #20
vance and hegseth just fucking embarrassing vapor2 Feb 14 #36
Make swastikas great again PSPS Feb 14 #21
I hope Europe blacklists him! Nt Hope22 Feb 14 #24
Sure would be a shame if the invitations for these summits and conferences were 'lost in the mail....' EarthFirst Feb 14 #26
Trump's little bearded pissant and useful idiot Diamond_Dog Feb 14 #27
Hillbilly Hitler will never upstage the Fascist Felon. Dulcinea Feb 15 #53
Vance is an idiot who supports Nazis LetMyPeopleVote Feb 14 #28
"You have some very fine Nazis on both sides." JoseBalow Feb 14 #29
I would think that Germany out of all countries in Europe would know what fascism is tornado34jh Feb 14 #30
Disgusting. Just make the world hate us even more you Nazi SOB. Evolve Dammit Feb 14 #31
... pazzyanne Feb 14 #32
These extreme parties fan the flames of extreme nationalism-- the same ism that led to 2 world wars andym Feb 14 #34
Unbelievable arrogance for him to go over there and try to tell them what to do. raccoon Feb 14 #37
Why on earth would any European listen to him? milestogo Feb 14 #38
Awwww...poor lil' Nazi JD Bettie Feb 14 #39
Sounds like Shady V is messing in Germany's elections. NT mwooldri Feb 14 #40
The United States no longer deserves to be part of the world community mdbl Feb 14 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 15 #56
He is really going to destroy the international travel. kimbutgar Feb 14 #42
Yeah, traveling in Europe was so much less fun when tcf was in power. lark Feb 15 #50
We were planning a trip to London in September and now I don't know if I will be going. kimbutgar Feb 15 #55
Being from FL, we didn't get such niceness when we were on a river cruise in 2017. lark Feb 16 #61
Fuck you Vance and fuck right wing extremists! Initech Feb 14 #43
"If Americans want to change their government, they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia" eppur_se_muova Feb 15 #45
"Vance tells Europeans". JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 15 #46
...Thereby admitting what they (and we) already know: the GOP are fucking nutjobs and shouldn't even be platformed. Karasu Feb 15 #47
Shady Vance is a total disgrace HarryM Feb 15 #48
Yeah, you better support the fascists, even if they are murderous, or else tcf will ........... lark Feb 15 #49
Well, I take back pretty much all my complaints about Mike Pence. Wingus Dingus Feb 15 #51
DO what I did, Europe 4catsmom Feb 15 #54
"Deemed Extreme?" Oneironaut Feb 15 #57
They just spelled "ARE" wrong. electric_blue68 Feb 15 #58
AT that point... 2naSalit Feb 15 #59

LudwigPastorius

(11,838 posts)
44. Goose steppers of a feather, flock together.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 11:40 PM
Feb 14

Although, I'm not sure what Trump gets out of courting German neo-nazis...unless he's planning on taking over the world and is building up his overseas base.

Redleg

(6,380 posts)
2. That pretty fucking rich coming from Vance
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:36 PM
Feb 14

Vance and trump and most of the GOP does nothing but demonize Dems and libs. Marxist, communist, socialist, radical, don't love our country, etc.

patphil

(7,512 posts)
4. Vance is right about the enemy within, but he doesn't realize he is one of those people.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:42 PM
Feb 14

VP Vance supports the rape of the Executive Branch by Trump and Musk.
When it's done, we'll have a government that is no longer able to function, and an economy in danger of collapse.
Not only will this drive the US into a deep recession, and possible a depression, but it will weaken us to the point where we may be vulnerable to attack by external enemies.
All the while, I get the feeling that this is all part of the biggest theft in the history of the modern world.
These bastards want to bankrupt the nation, while filling their accounts to the tune of a trillion dollars or more.
The "tell" on this will be if there is an attempt to convert US Treasury accounts into Cyber Currrency.

lapfog_1

(30,684 posts)
5. shades of Rudolf Hess
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:45 PM
Feb 14

who thought he could fly to England and convince them that fighting Germany was not in England's best interest

lapfog_1

(30,684 posts)
17. Well, Spandau was scraped off and a mall now exists where it once stood
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:59 PM
Feb 14

but I give Vance 50/50 about either prison or President.

lapfog_1

(30,684 posts)
16. yup, he was the lone prisoner for years
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:57 PM
Feb 14

Spandau Prison was a former military prison located in the Spandau borough of West Berlin (present-day Berlin, Germany). Built in 1876, it became a proto-concentration camp under Nazi Germany. After the Second World War, it held seven top Nazi leaders convicted in the Nuremberg trials. After the death of its last prisoner, Rudolf Hess, in August 1987, the prison was demolished and replaced by a shopping centre for the British forces stationed in Germany to prevent it from becoming a neo-Nazi shrine.

DBoon

(23,568 posts)
6. Europeans know very well what happens when destructive authoritarian parties are not stopped
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:46 PM
Feb 14

They suffered the military aggression and mass murder of the German Nazis, the tyranny of the Italian Fascists, Spanish Falangists and other fascist movement, followed by the domination of much of the continent by Stalin's Soviet Union, supported by domestic communist parties.

Millions of Europeans killed, millions more deprived of basic liberties and an entire continent reduced to ruin are why these parties are still shunned.

IronLionZion

(47,980 posts)
13. Next he'll tell hens to stop shunning foxes and embrace Avian flu
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 05:55 PM
Feb 14

Because the real enemies for hens are woke and DEI.

OKIsItJustMe

(21,196 posts)
20. Axios: Vance takes MAGA to Munich with speech scolding European leaders
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 06:10 PM
Feb 14
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/vance-munich-speech-free-speech-afd
Vance takes MAGA to Munich with speech scolding European leaders

Barak Ravid

Munich - Vice President JD Vance shocked many European leaders who came to his speech at the Munich Security Conference expecting to hear about Ukraine, when he instead focused on what he called "the threat from within" Europe.

Why it matters: Vance dove headfirst into the politics of America's European allies, lambasting what he described a "retreat" from shared democratic values when it comes to issues like abortion, social media censorship and immigration.
  • "If American democracy survived 10 years of scolding from Gretta Thunberg, Europe can survive several months of Elon Musk," Vance joked. Almost nobody in the room laughed.
Driving the news: Many European officials hoped to hear from Vance about the Trump administration's strategy for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. Vance said only one sentence on that issue, before lecturing his audience over mass immigration and free speech.

EarthFirst

(3,521 posts)
26. Sure would be a shame if the invitations for these summits and conferences were 'lost in the mail....'
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 06:21 PM
Feb 14

…for the foreseeable future.

Diamond_Dog

(36,204 posts)
27. Trump's little bearded pissant and useful idiot
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 06:25 PM
Feb 14

has one hell of a nerve going over there and promoting right wing extremism, especially in Germany a week before their elections. What a disgrace and what an embarrassment.

I sure hope most Europeans understand that many, many Americans don’t subscribe to that garbage.

Dulcinea

(7,973 posts)
53. Hillbilly Hitler will never upstage the Fascist Felon.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:34 AM
Feb 15

That's what Felon 47 really cares about. He knows a fool when he sees one. Every con man knows his mark.

Vance is such a worthless little wanker. When this all comes to an end, and it will eventually, he'll be the first one jettisoned.

tornado34jh

(1,394 posts)
30. I would think that Germany out of all countries in Europe would know what fascism is
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 08:05 PM
Feb 14

I bet you Vance before he became VP never visited Europe. I used to think the US was pretty well educated, but not anymore. Before I continue, I want to disclaim I am not someone who was nor ever would have been part of this organizations and thus, know in the ins and outs of it, but I have heard of it and know how exclusive it is. With that being said, the fact that people in our own government, these supposed, well-educated people, are making stupid statements like this is so ridiculous, they make China and Russia look like they are part of MENSA.

I would like to think that as a government official in a high-ranking position, you would understand the complexities of the world and at least know a little bit of history of the places you are going to. I'm not expecting them to be a history doctorate per se, but they should understand that things don't work the same in other countries compared to them. To expect Europe to just stop shunning extremist parties is incredibly arrogant, especially in a country like Germany, who until relatively recently, was not really a unified country as it is now. Throughout history it had been through numerous kings, empires, the Soviet Union, etc. It would be like if Poland/Ukraine should just accept pro-Russia parties who likely would be against their interests.

andym

(5,894 posts)
34. These extreme parties fan the flames of extreme nationalism-- the same ism that led to 2 world wars
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 08:38 PM
Feb 14

If Europe goes back to such nationalism, we could enter a very unstable period both economically and militarily. Vance is promoting policies that are not in the USA's interest.

raccoon

(31,671 posts)
37. Unbelievable arrogance for him to go over there and try to tell them what to do.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 09:15 PM
Feb 14

I hope that they told him to go pound sand

Bettie

(17,908 posts)
39. Awwww...poor lil' Nazi JD
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 09:20 PM
Feb 14

is upset that his kind of people are generally shunned?

He should just fuck off and keep fucking off forever.

mdbl

(5,895 posts)
41. The United States no longer deserves to be part of the world community
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:03 PM
Feb 14

and if they know what is good for them, they will isolate us.

Response to mdbl (Reply #41)

kimbutgar

(24,464 posts)
42. He is really going to destroy the international travel.
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:44 PM
Feb 14

I went on several cruises before the pandemic and visited several European destinations. I can just see down the road some of these countries denying entry of US citizens. Countries will no longer trust Americans. And European tourists will not want to visit here because of the neo Hitler 🍑💩🤡.

lark

(24,650 posts)
50. Yeah, traveling in Europe was so much less fun when tcf was in power.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 09:52 AM
Feb 15

It would be so much worse this time, and with reason. A lot of Europeans think all Americans support the orange fascist and everyone there gets tarred by that brush - not fun! Now we are retired and going there would be a stretch monetarily, but it won't even be considered until the fascists are no longer in charge - if that ever happens.

If we manage to clean out our countrys poliitics of this stain, I will go to Europe to celebrate! We've never been to Italy, Great Britain, Portugal or Spain so there's still a lot to see!!

kimbutgar

(24,464 posts)
55. We were planning a trip to London in September and now I don't know if I will be going.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:28 PM
Feb 15

We went to Italy in 2016,2017 and 2018. We never said we were from the USA but California. And apologized when people asked us how our country could elect that awful man. We took a train from Venice to Zurich in 2017 and sat with two young women one from England (who was gong to college in Venice ) and another from Ukraine, they asked us what happened to your country to elect such a bad man. We told them how much we disliked him and it was a very interesting conversation. When we arrived in Zurich and we were getting our stuff, people came up to us and wished us luck. We realized that a lot of people on this train car were listening to our conversation ! We went back to Europe but on cruises in 2018 and 2019. The pandemic ended our international travel. And now we don’t know if we’ll ever go anytime soon again because of being embarrassed by the reign of terror of the 🍑💩🤡.

lark

(24,650 posts)
61. Being from FL, we didn't get such niceness when we were on a river cruise in 2017.
Sun Feb 16, 2025, 09:03 AM
Feb 16

We sat for dinner with this Australian couple and they were totally hateful about it. They were loud and nasty and some folks from the next table, German I think, chimed in too saying if Americans disliked him he wouldn't have been elected. We said we hated him far more than they did because we had to live with it, but they weren't listening. They all had their minds made up about Americans and nothing was going to shake that belief.

We got an unbelievable deal and got to go again in 2019, and this time we met 2 lovely couples, one from Wales and one from New Zealand and we spent all our time together and had an absolute blast.

Still, with as much as America and Europe have gotten to be darker places with the rise of the oligrarchs and fascism, I don't want to spend so much money and experience the descent and the righteous anger from Europe with tcf and it's spread to everyday folks. We are fully retired and social security is our main income besides several very small pensions. I am very concerned about what the techbros will do to our payments so have no plans at the moment for traveling. Plus I have 2 bad knees that have to get fixed so I can walk long distances again. This is not a good year!

eppur_se_muova

(38,510 posts)
45. "If Americans want to change their government, they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia"
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:15 AM
Feb 15

Quote from Curtis Yarvin, frequently cited by Vance as a big influence on his "thinking". So now he's serving as the thin end of the wedge for infiltrating extremist politics into the mainstream discussion.

https://www.salon.com/2024/10/01/rachel-maddow-sounds-alarm-on-jd-vances-pro-dictatorship-influences/

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,004 posts)
46. "Vance tells Europeans".
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 05:44 AM
Feb 15

Those three words predict the sort of reception he gets (and deserves).

Next up: Musk tells Europeans ...

Karasu

(698 posts)
47. ...Thereby admitting what they (and we) already know: the GOP are fucking nutjobs and shouldn't even be platformed.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 05:49 AM
Feb 15

This is what decades of conservatives normalizing fascism will do. Nothing is ever right-wing enough for these fucking clowns.

This administration's insistence on furthering the "Republicanization" of European politics is beyond fucking disturbing. The EU can (and should) tell them to fuck off with that noise.

HarryM

(333 posts)
48. Shady Vance is a total disgrace
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 09:03 AM
Feb 15

To all humankind.
My dad and uncles, as well as millions fought a war to rid the world of this vermin. We didn’t get them all, so we will have to stomp them out again. They are like cockroaches. Just when you think they have been eradicated, more appear.

lark

(24,650 posts)
49. Yeah, you better support the fascists, even if they are murderous, or else tcf will ...........
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 09:46 AM
Feb 15

Insert murderous horrendous thing for the dots because these fascists are going all out to take over the world.

4catsmom

(597 posts)
54. DO what I did, Europe
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:08 PM
Feb 15

I went from calling Trump Hitler to being his running mate and kissing his ass. It's all a matter of perspective

Oneironaut

(5,915 posts)
57. "Deemed Extreme?"
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 03:01 PM
Feb 15

Nazis being extreme isn’t an opinion. They’re doing the “both sides” shit with this article again.

2naSalit

(95,882 posts)
59. AT that point...
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 03:23 PM
Feb 15

He should have been escorted to his plane and told to never return in any capacity.

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