U.S.-Russia Talks are 'obsolete' after Chernobyl Drone Strike -- Kallas
Source: Moscow Times
MUNICH The European Unions top diplomat said that any talks between the United States and Russia were now obsolete following a drone strike at Ukraines Chernobyl nuclear power plant that Kyiv blamed on Moscow.
It clearly shows that [the Russians] don't want peace, EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas told journalists on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference. All these other talks have been totally obsolete because of the bombing of the nuclear station, bombing of civilians, bombing of civilian infrastructure.
What is up to us right now is to decide and discuss how we support Ukraine right now in this endeavor because our values haven't changed, the goals of Russia haven't changed either, so we need to stick to our ground and really see what is at stake here.
Earlier this week at the NATO defense ministers' meeting in Brussels, Kallas had accused U.S. President Donald Trump of appeasement following his conversation with Russias Vladimir Putin and stressed that any peace deal must be negotiated with European and Ukrainian involvement.
Read more: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/14/us-russia-talks-obsolete-after-chernobyl-drone-strike-kallas-a88015

True Dough
(22,150 posts)admire the leadership of Kaja Kallas. Between her and Zelensky, just stellar individuals to be heads of state (or EU foreign policy chief, in Kallas's case now).
maxsolomon
(36,005 posts)And if he can do the same to the EU, all the better.
Europe snubbed him; he will have his revenge.
SheltieLover
(64,041 posts)
Wicked Blue
(7,692 posts)Moe Hailstone, Curly Gallstone, Larry Pebble: "Peace! We want peace!"
Vance Rippemup: "Yes. A piece of this and a piece of that country."
red dog 1
(30,346 posts)Wicked Blue
(7,692 posts)Estonian public broadcasting ERR has the Belgian article, but without a link.
red dog 1
(30,346 posts)Emrys
(8,404 posts)In fact, it's been banned in Russia for a couple of years:
The newspaper became online-only in July 2017 and launched its Russian-language service in 2020. In 2022, its headquarters were relocated to Amsterdam in the Netherlands in response to restrictive media laws enacted in Russia after the invasion of Ukraine. On 15 April 2022, the Russian-language website of The Moscow Times was blocked in Russia. In 2023, the Ministry of Justice of Russia designated the paper as a "foreign agent". On 10 July 2024, the office of the Russian Prosecutor General announced that the newspaper was declared an undesirable organization.
Some American foreign correspondents started their careers at the paper, including Ellen Barry, who later became The New York Times' Moscow bureau chief.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times
GreenWave
(10,540 posts)1. OK I got nothing.
Evolve Dammit
(20,263 posts)We will NEVER be trusted again. Vlad must be peeing himself with joy.
C0RI0LANUS
(3,015 posts)
EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas
Turkish source in English:
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/russian-attacks-on-chernobyl-site-unacceptable-says-eu-foreign-policy-chief-3698483
PBS interview with Kaja Kallas:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/eus-foreign-policy-chief-discusses-the-future-of-ukraine-amid-shifting-u-s-support
TomWilm
(1,885 posts)... if Russia really wanted to attack the old Chernobyl power plant, it would not be by a single drone smashing into the roof. This is clearly just an alarming accident, which again shows how dangerous such wars can be for the whole world - and how filling more arms into that area is only making it worse. So much fighting and killing, and the frontline has barely moved in years ...
lapfog_1
(30,684 posts)tell me please, what military asset is even close to the Chernobyl Nuclear site?
The Chernobyl Sarcophagus is one of the larger buildings in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant_sarcophagus
The Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant sarcophagus or Shelter Structure (Ukrainian: Об'єкт "Укриття", romanized: Ob'yekt "Ukryttya", Russian: Объект «Укрытие», romanized: Ob"yekt «Ukrytiye») is a massive steel and concrete structure covering the nuclear reactor number 4 building of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Hastily built in the aftermath of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, the sarcophagus was designed to limit radioactive contamination of the environment by encasing the most dangerous area and protecting it from climate exposure.[1][2] The sarcophagus locked in 200 tons of radioactive lava-like corium, 30 tons of highly contaminated dust and 16 tons of uranium and plutonium.[1]
Structurally, the sarcophagus is largely supported by the damaged reactor building. By 1996, the structure had deteriorated to the point where numerous stabilization measures were required. Internal radiation levels were estimated to be as high as 10000 röntgens per hour in certain areas (normal background radiation in cities is usually around 2050 microröntgens per hour, and a lethal dose is 500 röntgens over 5 hours).[3] By 2017, the sarcophagus was surrounded by the New Safe Confinement structure, which is designed to protect the environment while the sarcophagus undergoes demolition and the nuclear cleanup continues. The reactor site is located within a large restricted area known as the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.
This will be an extremely hazardous ( to all of eastern Europe, Belarus, and even Russia, not to mention Ukraine ) site until we can develop and deploy the needed radioactive resistive robots that can go into the site and remove all of the material from there... and figure out what to do with it all ). So far, in the last 40 years, few solutions have been offered.
bombing this site was no accident.
TomWilm
(1,885 posts)... what military assets are close to there?
lapfog_1
(30,684 posts)on the Danube river. Military supplies travel this route from EU countries into Ukraine.
I am well aware of Russian drone strikes in Romania. When the war started I sent my girlfriend to the border to welcome the Ukrainian refugees streaming over the Danube with little belonging... She was part of a massive Romanian response who welcomed the refugees with toys for the children and blankets and, most importantly, money to help them get into Europe and get official aid from governments.
Russia is also trying to stop the exports of grain and other goods to hurt the Ukraine economy.
Definitely targeted. There are no battles being fought in these areas, but all of them are likely targeted...
Moldova actually has Russian troops in an area named Transnistria.. The Moldovan government would like them to all leave but doesn't want to start a war with Russia to do it.
Poland and Ukraine share a longer border than Romania and Ukraine. It is another place where there are large movements of military equipment into Ukraine. So that's not an accident either.
As for Latvia... I am pretty sure Russia want to start something there, so probably not an accident. More of a warning shot saying "you guys in the Baltic states are next"
Your assertion that Russia is just having a number of accidents is likely Kremlin propaganda. You should check your sources before making such claims.
TomWilm
(1,885 posts)... and that stupidity is what Putin's government is most famous for, much more than skills or resourcefulness. That is why he is stuck with a war for years, which was promised to be concluded in weeks. And as your "analysis" shows, Putin is still saluted as if he is a skilled three-dimensional chess player - some one must be trusting that Kremlin propaganda way too much, and it is not me!
Torchlight
(4,306 posts)and the excuse then given should itlsef be supported by evidence. You have not.
Emrys
(8,404 posts)Someone else has addressed the rationales for strikes on Ukraine's supportive neighbours. One could be put down to carelessness and incompetence; numerous ones looks more like a concerted campaign with frequent oopsies.
In terms of Chornobyl, you have to think in terms of terrorism - just like Putin's urban strike with his Wunderwaffe Oreshnik, this attack wasn't intended to produce all-out obliteration, it's part of Putin's campaign of intimidation and disruptive "what if" scenarios.
The Russians have been occupying and menacing Ukrainian nuclear power plants since early in this latest hot phase of the war, to the extent that the IAEA has had to put up a permanent presence in them to have staff in place to try to cope with any more "mishaps".
A strike on any of the outlying support facilities for these plants, as has happened before, could be even more serious than a hit on them directly - they require backup power to operate relatively safely, which has at times been compromised, which has led to desperate scrambles.
A "stupid accident" here, another one there, and pretty soon you have full-blown disaster.
The symbolic power of the Chornobyl name and the timing in these early stages of possible negotiations are a bit too much of a coincidence to be written off cavalierly as you're doing.
So, as you've already been asked, what "legitimate" wartime target in the vicinity of Chornobyl do you suggest they were aiming for?
mahina
(19,524 posts)NickB79
(19,794 posts)This line of yours right here says it all. Straight out of the pro-Russian propaganda playbook arguing to stop supporting Ukraine and let Russia keep it's ill-gotten gains.
TomWilm
(1,885 posts)... return with arguments, if you ever find some .
I remember those nice olden days here at DU, when it was still possible to be against war, without getting such weird attacks!
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NickB79
(19,794 posts)It's the same one MAGA has used for years. Basically, let Russia take Ukraine as a "humanitarian option", because the war itself is so bloody.
Ignoring that Russia started it, Ukraine has the right and desire to defend themselves, that Russia will keep killing Ukrainians in captured territory even after the war ends because they'll be an occupation force, and that Russia will just rearm and come back in a few years for more.
Appeasement of a dictator is a game for fools.
TomWilm
(1,885 posts)... so brave. Ready to keep on "fighting" until the last Ukrainian is killed.
Emrys
(8,404 posts)We in Europe are in solidarity with them.
But you can sit in comfort feeling pure in the safety of distance because you won't sanction a country continuing to defend itself against literal genocide, cheered on by Trump and his cronies. So that's good.
electric_blue68
(20,171 posts)I highly prefer diplomacy, but sometimes you have to fight back!
Unless you yourself in a situation would let yourself be say beaten to severe debilitating injury or death. Well, this is what Putin is doing to Ukraine. Running roughehod over a free, independent country.
It's up to The Ukrainian people to decide when to stop fighting. If President Zelenskyy decides it's time to try to settle the war that's his perogative as the leader of his country. But drumphf and putin "negotiating","deciding for" Ukraine without Z and advisors sitting at the table; that sucks! That's not a genuine negotiation.
If the "agreement" sucks, will Zelenskyy continue to fight? He might have to have a referendum with his country's people?
I hope Ukraine will ceed no more territory to Russia. I hope but doubt they'll get anything back..
Fuck putin!
Slava Ukraini!